Poll: If you are a Trump supporter, do you consider him to be a “good Christian?”

[MemphisVol77]

Ya,
I get it my brother.
I was speaking the “you” in general not you “specifically “.


Although I do fin the you “specifically “ to be an intelligent individual.

Aren't you in Chattanooga? I hardly leave town, but if I'm ever out your way I'll have to look you up.

Many years ago, another career and lifetime ago, I was in the culinary industry. I ran the kitchen for a catering company. We did events at most of the synagogues and temples around town. I'd let Gordan Ramsey curse me out before I got caught with dairy in the meat kitchen by a middle aged Mashgiach wearing tennis sneakers, an ankle length denim skirt, and a home-made sweater.

 

[BigO95]

I meant the familiar self glorification.

I believe the Bible, difference is I understand some things better than you do.

Whether the 7 days were days of 24 hours or long successive periods we do not know. Period. The word "day" has variable meanings. In Gen.1:5 it's used as a term for light. In 1:8 and 1:13 it seems to mean a day of 24 hours. In 1:14 and 1:16 it seems to refer to a 12 hour day. In 2:4 it seems to cover the whole period of creation.

In passages like Joel 3:18, Acts 2:20 and John 16:23 "that day" seems to mean the whole Christian era. In passages like 2 Timothy 1:12 the expression seems to refer to the era beyond the Lord's Second Coming.

Psalm 90:4 and 2 Peter 3:8 to the Lord a day is like a 1000 years and 1000 years is like one day.

I believe the Bibles purpose is an account of God's effort to reveal himself to us. There's no question it was written by human authors and we don't even know who some of them were. I don't know how God directed them to write, but I believe he did and the Bible is exactly what God wanted us to know.

Statements made in ancient times would be expressed much differently today, but I believe it contains precisely the things He wants us to know in exactly the form he wants us to know it.

It doesn't have everything in it. It doesn't have things in it that God think is not important.

I believe there were more children by Adam and Eve than what's listed. I also believe Hell exists. I agree and disagree with you and Slice both.

I understand everything that you just said and simply disagree with with the notion that a day in Genesis chapter 1 was anything but a simple day like we have today. I've heard and studied those same points and I simply believe the bible can be taken literally as written. If you think that makes me arrogant? Then so be it.
I'm not the only one here that's bold in what they believe.

 

[BreatheUT]

I understand everything that you just said and simply disagree with with the notion that a day in Genesis chapter 1 was anything but a simple day like we have today. I've heard and studied those same points and I simply believe the bible can be taken literally as written. If you think that makes me arrogant? Then so be it.
I'm not the only one here that's bold in what they believe.

If you could figure out timelines then you could claim to know when Jesus is returning. That is simply not the case. And does it matter?

 

[BigO95]

If you could figure out timelines then you could claim to know when Jesus is returning. That is simply not the case. And does it matter?

That's a stretch... We can know the times and the seasons according to the bible but no man knows the day nor the hour.
Matthew 24 is a very interesting study.

 

[BigO95]

If you could figure out timelines then you could claim to know when Jesus is returning. That is simply not the case. And does it matter?

I think it does matter.

 

[BigO95]

Matthew 24:32¶Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:
33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.
34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.

Look at the context earlier in the chapter

3¶And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?
4¶And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.

 

[DinkinFlicka]

Thanks for the kind words.
I openly admit that the G-d of my father’s, the G-d of A,I and J made me a sledgehammer. That can be a bit much for most people. But I take the words of Yeshua the Messiah very seriously. And he clearly taught that judgment will fall on me and me alone for what I’ve done. So if you disagree with me then that’s ok because you are smart and responsible for what you believe. I still gladly share what I believe but I have many friends that believe many different things. There are not a lot of Jews who believe Yeshua is Messiah. Lol
@DinkinFlicka has always been a favorite of mine we clearly see things differently but he’s had dinner with my family and he’s an excellent human being. I have no judgment as to whether he is or isn’t righteous. That’s not my job and only G-d knows. I do pray for him often as I do all my friends….and some of my enemies.

I meant to tell you that I'll be in Chatt next Sunday/Monday to scout out a couple of spots for location #2 if you wanted to grab a bite.

Looks like Chatt's karaoke scene is virtually nonexistent, at least downtown/campus. Sing It or Wing It wouldn't stand a chance.

 

[BreatheUT]

Matthew 24:32¶Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:
33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.
34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.

Look at the context earlier in the chapter

3¶And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?
4¶And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.

What I'm trying to say for science, I understand trying to determine the age of earth. For salvation, does it matter that you've figured out the earths age or purport to?

I think no one knows. Over the course of guesses, has someone come closest? Of course, but they don't know.

Do you believe in dinosaurs?

 

[Orangeslice13]

Aren't you in Chattanooga? I hardly leave town, but if I'm ever out your way I'll have to look you up.

Many years ago, another career and lifetime ago, I was in the culinary industry. I ran the kitchen for a catering company. We did events at most of the synagogues and temples around town. I'd let Gordan Ramsey curse me out before I got caught with dairy in the meat kitchen by a middle aged Mashgiach wearing tennis sneakers, an ankle length denim skirt, and a home-made sweater.

I’ve got a story to tell you in another thread later on today.
I’ll tag you.

 

[Orangeslice13]

I meant to tell you that I'll be in Chatt next Sunday/Monday to scout out a couple of spots for location #2 if you wanted to grab a bite.

Looks like Chatt's karaoke scene is virtually nonexistent, at least downtown/campus. Sing It or Wing It wouldn't stand a chance.

Absolutely.
Do you still have my number?
The red woman asked about you the other day.

 

[BigO95]

What I'm trying to say for science, I understand trying to determine the age of earth. For salvation, does it matter that you've figured out the earths age or purport to?

I think no one knows. Over the course of guesses, has someone come closest? Of course, but they don't know.

Do you believe in dinosaurs?

I absolutely do believe in dinosaurs. Can you believe that the earth is old and be saved? Absolutely...
A real problem I see with not taking the information in the bible literally is the integrity of the scriptures. If we don't have the word of God, we don't have anything. It's my contention that the bible can be trusted and is reliable even with timelines.
Creation boils down to this, I either believe the bible or I believe the professor. We have a lot of wild, unprovable stories today that people call science and I simply don't believe it.

 

[turbovol]

I absolutely do believe in dinosaurs. Can you believe that the earth is old and be saved? Absolutely...
A real problem I see with not taking the information in the bible literally is the integrity of the scriptures. If we don't have the word of God, we don't have anything. It's my contention that the bible can be trusted and is reliable even with timelines.
Creation boils down to this, I either believe the bible or I believe the professor. We have a lot of wild, unprovable stories today that people call science and I simply don't believe it.

When you say you don't believe science but you believe in the bible, you're displaying a very, very serious amount of ignorance.

 

[BigO95]

When you say you don't believe science but you believe in the bible, you're displaying a very, very serious amount of ignorance.

No, I didn't say that I don't believe science. I don't believe some of the garbage that is being claimed as science.

 

[BigO95]

1 Timothy 6:20 KJV — O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called:

 

[norrislakevol]

When you say you don't believe science but you believe in the bible, you're displaying a very, very serious amount of ignorance.

I think God is the greatest scientist to ever exist. He and many angels in heaven, and some that have been cast out of heaven know a thousand times more than Stephen Hawking, Sir Issac Newton, and Albert Einstein could have ever known over a thousand lifetimes.

As for the age of the earth, we have to remember that to God, time is meaningless. A day unto the Lord is of a thousand years, and a thousand years is a day unto the Lord. Therefore I believe that the earth itself really is several billion years old, and mankind isn't that old at all.

 

[DinkinFlicka]

Absolutely.
Do you still have my number?
The red woman asked about you the other day.

I've had 6 phones since we last saw each other. Go ahead and text me!

She should come! I hope she and the boys are well.

 

[creekdipper]

When you say you don't believe science but you believe in the bible, you're displaying a very, very serious amount of ignorance.

What is your definition of "science?"

 

[creekdipper]

What I'm trying to say for science, I understand trying to determine the age of earth. For salvation, does it matter that you've figured out the earths age or purport to?

I think no one knows. Over the course of guesses, has someone come closest? Of course, but they don't know.

Do you believe in dinosaurs?

Of course we believe in dinosaurs. We grew up reading about the adventures of Turok and Andor.

We also are familiar with Doctor Solar and Magnus, Robot Fighter. Squeeee!!!!

 

[creekdipper]

Always interesting to see us quibbling over minor details while acknowledging the possibility of an infinite, omnipresent, omniscient, and omnipotent God who not only created our universe but is in total control of it...yet, somehow, certain events are "impossible" based upon our speck of scientific knowledge.

I'm not sure that we take into account how the Earth has radically changed according to Scripture. For instance, there was no death originally. All was perfect. That changed after the Fall.

Then we have a worldwide flood that altered conditions and the landscape.

In short, we make a lot of assumptions about Earth based upon its current properties. Those who believe the biblical account of the creation of the first humans know that the physical world operates much differently today.

 

[creekdipper]

It would be extremely interesting (I would assume, to both the "religious" and "nonreligious") to hear both Biden and Trump give responses to a quiz about basic Bible knowledge, especially regarding theology.

Wouldn't you love to hear them answer what the gospel message is and how they would explain to someone what it means to be a Christian? Just for starters.

 

[BigO95]

It would be extremely interesting (I would assume, to both the "religious" and "nonreligious") to hear both Biden and Trump give responses to a quiz about basic Bible knowledge, especially regarding theology.

Wouldn't you love to hear them answer what the gospel message is and how they would explain to someone what it means to be a Christian? Just for starters.

I'm afraid they would both fail miserably. I hope I'm wrong...

 

[Orangeslice13]

I've had 6 phones since we last saw each other. Go ahead and text me!

She should come! I hope she and the boys are well.

Shots fired

 

[Behr]

I understand everything that you just said and simply disagree with with the notion that a day in Genesis chapter 1 was anything but a simple day like we have today. I've heard and studied those same points and I simply believe the bible can be taken literally as written. If you think that makes me arrogant? Then so be it.
I'm not the only one here that's bold in what they believe.

It can be literal, but I also believe it uses figures of speech. If it's all literal, I guess when Colossians 1:15 refers to Jesus as Firstborn that means he didn't exist and at some point was born.

I know that opens a can of worms with others but it shouldn't with you. I don't want to be part of the derailing of this thread any further so I'm done here.

 

[Orangeslice13]

Always interesting to see us quibbling over minor details while acknowledging the possibility of an infinite, omnipresent, omniscient, and omnipotent God who not only created our universe but is in total control of it...yet, somehow, certain events are "impossible" based upon our speck of scientific knowledge.

I'm not sure that we take into account how the Earth has radically changed according to Scripture. For instance, there was no death originally. All was perfect. That changed after the Fall.

Then we have a worldwide flood that altered conditions and the landscape.

In short, we make a lot of assumptions about Earth based upon its current properties. Those who believe the biblical account of the creation of the first humans know that the physical world operates much differently today.

if science and Torah do not align, one of 2 things is happening.

1) bad interpretations of scripture
2) science isn’t there yet

 

[BigO95]

It can be literal, but I also believe it uses figures of speech. If it's all literal, I guess when Colossians 1:15 refers to Jesus as Firstborn that means he didn't exist and at some point was born.

I know that opens a can of worms with others but it shouldn't with you. I don't want to be part of the derailing of this thread any further so I'm done here.

I agree that there's portions that are to be interpreted literally and some figuratively. There are indicators most all of the time.