Poll: If you are a Trump supporter, do you consider him to be a “good Christian?”

Is Donald Trump someone you would call/consider a “good Christian?”

  • Yes

    Votes: 7 6.1%

  • No

    Votes: 67 58.3%

  • I like pie

    Votes: 31 27.0%

  • Turbo just vote here and save everyone time

    Votes: 10 8.7%
  • Total voters
    115
#601
#601
If one is missing then there could be more or even many more. The genealogy was never intended to be a dating mechanism
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
If one is missing then there could be more or even many more. The genealogy was never intended to be a dating mechanism
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God may have had many intentions with the genealogies. You nor I are certainly not authorities on God's intentions with the genealogies.
I disagree with your conclusion that we don't have all the genealogies from Adam to Abraham.
And the fact still remains, the time line is found right there in the text I provided.
 
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BigO95 said:
God may have had many intentions with the genealogies. You nor I are certainly not authorities on God's intentions with the genealogies.
I disagree with your conclusion that we don't have all the genealogies from Adam to Abraham.
And the fact still remains, the time line is found right there in the text I provided.
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Uh, no.
 
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BigO95 said:
God may have had many intentions with the genealogies. You nor I are certainly not authorities on God's intentions with the genealogies.
I disagree with your conclusion that we don't have all the genealogies from Adam to Abraham.
And the fact still remains, the time line is found right there in the text I provided.
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With at least one obvious example of a skipped generation.
You’re putting words in G-ds mouth that he never said by claiming the age of the universe from it.
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
And honestly it’s a stupid thing to argue about
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Agreed, but I still miss the Bible thread......
Orangeslice13 said:
This is more of your “you can be wrong if you want “ bull ****.
You chase more people away from faith in G-d than you bring to him with your arrogance.
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Not necessarily this debate specifically, but before I became willing to believe, these debates turned me away from Christianity. I never did witness a burning bush miracle, have a spiritual awakening, or have any kind of sudden psychic change. My belief has simply come from a gradual awareness and reliance on the teachings.

First time I prayed from the heart, I didn't believe and I felt stupid doing so, but it was honest and came from the heart. When I first got to do outreach, my church elder statesman practically told me not to use scripture -"you'll F that up, just share how you became willing to believe. If they become willing, then they can learn like you did".

@Orangeslice13 You've got a gift for putting scripture into relatable parlance.

About Trump? I don't care and I haven't voted for him anyway. Christianity isn't the reason I dislike Dems more than Republicans either.
 
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MemphisVol77 said:
Agreed, but I still miss the Bible thread......

Not necessarily this debate specifically, but before I became willing to believe, these debates turned me away from Christianity. I never did witness a burning bush miracle, have a spiritual awakening, or have any kind of sudden psychic change. My belief has simply come from a gradual awareness and reliance on the teachings.

First time I prayed from the heart, I didn't believe and I felt stupid doing so, but it was honest and came from the heart. When I first got to do outreach, my church elder statesman practically told me not to use scripture -"you'll F that up, just share how you became willing to believe. If they become willing, then they can learn like you did".

@Orangeslice13 You've got a gift for putting scripture into relatable parlance.

About Trump? I don't care and I haven't voted for him anyway. Christianity isn't the reason I dislike Dems more than Republicans either.
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If Christianity was a reason to dislike a party, the Republican party would cease to exist
 
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MemphisVol77 said:
Agreed, but I still miss the Bible thread......

Not necessarily this debate specifically, but before I became willing to believe, these debates turned me away from Christianity. I never did witness a burning bush miracle, have a spiritual awakening, or have any kind of sudden psychic change. My belief has simply come from a gradual awareness and reliance on the teachings.

First time I prayed from the heart, I didn't believe and I felt stupid doing so, but it was honest and came from the heart. When I first got to do outreach, my church elder statesman practically told me not to use scripture -"you'll F that up, just share how you became willing to believe. If they become willing, then they can learn like you did".

@Orangeslice13 You've got a gift for putting scripture into relatable parlance.

About Trump? I don't care and I haven't voted for him anyway. Christianity isn't the reason I dislike Dems more than Republicans either.
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Thanks for the kind words.
I openly admit that the G-d of my father’s, the G-d of A,I and J made me a sledgehammer. That can be a bit much for most people. But I take the words of Yeshua the Messiah very seriously. And he clearly taught that judgment will fall on me and me alone for what I’ve done. So if you disagree with me then that’s ok because you are smart and responsible for what you believe. I still gladly share what I believe but I have many friends that believe many different things. There are not a lot of Jews who believe Yeshua is Messiah. Lol
@DinkinFlicka has always been a favorite of mine we clearly see things differently but he’s had dinner with my family and he’s an excellent human being. I have no judgment as to whether he is or isn’t righteous. That’s not my job and only G-d knows. I do pray for him often as I do all my friends….and some of my enemies.
 
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#613
Genesis chapter 1:5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

Is it possible to have a day before the first day? I say no, it was eternity past.

Also, there's not one day between the first day, and the second day either.

And in case you wondered what a day consisted of, it was an evening and a morning.
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
This is more of your “you can be wrong if you want “ bull ****.
You chase more people away from faith in G-d than you bring to him with your arrogance.
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It doesn't matter what evidence I give you, you refuse to receive it.
 
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BigO95 said:
It doesn't matter what evidence I give you, you refuse to receive it.
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More arrogance.
I’ve heard and rejected your fairy tale version of the Christian religion long before you came along.
You have presented what you believe. Your judgement on what is accepted or is true is irrelevant to me.
Share your views without the added Bull **** and people will stop treating you as the Heretic you come off as.
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
More arrogance.
I’ve heard and rejected your fairy tale version of the Christian religion long before you came along.
You have presented what you believe. Your judgement on what is accepted or is true is irrelevant to me.
Share your views without the added Bull **** and people will stop treating you as the Heretic you come off as.
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I'm just simply being honest with you and you can't seem to handle it. Perhaps you should take a good look in the mirror.
 
#617
#617
Slice, I wish you nothing but the best. I hope you have a great New Year.
 
#621
#621
One more note and then I’m moving on

G-d doesn’t “put stars, the sun, and the moon” in the sky till day 4 and that’s when he says that we will keep our seasons, years and Days by them.

-So whose days was G-d using for creation since ours didn’t exist till the 4th?

-ancient Hebrews used house names for individuals and the same words for years also meant generations. So so 7 houses between Adam and Enoch would be 50,000ish years and not a couple thousand.


in conclusion.
The KJV is a late translation from a set of late translations in the wrong form of Greek established for political purposes. The earth is very old and there is no eternal torcher for mortals.
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
That can be a bit much for most people. But I take the words of Yeshua the Messiah very seriously. And he clearly taught that judgment will fall on me and me alone for what I’ve done. So if you disagree with me then that’s ok because you are smart and responsible for what you believe. I still gladly share what I believe but I have many friends that believe many different things.
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I wasn't disagreeing or critiquing you in any way, I was agreeing. I think you got the jest of what I was saying, just want to clarify. I was referring to the "you can be wrong if you want" aspect as turning me away.
 
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MemphisVol77 said:
I wasn't disagreeing or critiquing you in any way, I was agreeing. I think you got the jest of what I was saying, just want to clarify. I was referring to the "you can be wrong if you want" aspect as turning me away.
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Ya,
I get it my brother.
I was speaking the “you” in general not you “specifically “.


Although I do fin the you “specifically “ to be an intelligent individual.
 
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BigO95 said:
It's very simple, you either believe the bible, or you don't.
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I meant the familiar self glorification.

I believe the Bible, difference is I understand some things better than you do.

Whether the 7 days were days of 24 hours or long successive periods we do not know. Period. The word "day" has variable meanings. In Gen.1:5 it's used as a term for light. In 1:8 and 1:13 it seems to mean a day of 24 hours. In 1:14 and 1:16 it seems to refer to a 12 hour day. In 2:4 it seems to cover the whole period of creation.

In passages like Joel 3:18, Acts 2:20 and John 16:23 "that day" seems to mean the whole Christian era. In passages like 2 Timothy 1:12 the expression seems to refer to the era beyond the Lord's Second Coming.

Psalm 90:4 and 2 Peter 3:8 to the Lord a day is like a 1000 years and 1000 years is like one day.

I believe the Bibles purpose is an account of God's effort to reveal himself to us. There's no question it was written by human authors and we don't even know who some of them were. I don't know how God directed them to write, but I believe he did and the Bible is exactly what God wanted us to know.

Statements made in ancient times would be expressed much differently today, but I believe it contains precisely the things He wants us to know in exactly the form he wants us to know it.

It doesn't have everything in it. It doesn't have things in it that God think is not important.

I believe there were more children by Adam and Eve than what's listed. I also believe Hell exists. I agree and disagree with you and Slice both.
 
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