Poll: If you are a Trump supporter, do you consider him to be a “good Christian?”

[Orangeburst]

“If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice.”

I’m at peace with my decision to not vote for either of those two clowns or their sycophants.

I choose Freewill

 

[BreatheUT]

The burden of proof is on you, dude---not on us. You want me to prove there isn't a purple alien standing in the street when everyone
can see that there's not. There is not a scintilla of proof of a "god"---and there never will be. If you chose to belief in the tooth fairy, it would
be no different from believing in "god." One can choose to belief in anything--no matter how illogical--and unless you can prove it, it doesn't exist. "God" is a completely preposterous concept--born of fear of mortality--if we're honest.

This explains why government is the poster above ^^^^^^ deity.

 

[Septic]

I'd say Trump moral compass is better biden's

Does dog sh*t taste better than bird sh*t?

 

[Septic]

Can you prove there's no god?

You're the one making the claim chief, burden of extrorordinary proof for your extraordinary claim is on you.

 

[volbound1700]

This makes absolutely no sense.

My problem with the environmentalists is when they don't want to drill here but they're fine with it elsewhere. It's about the earth as a whole, not just your back yard. Why should an environmentalist be opposed to somebody moving from Mexico to the US? It makes no sense. In fact, there is a good chance that would lower someone's carbon footprint.

Most are not from Mexico for one and the issue is that it basically encourages people to have children into a situation where they can't survive. We are just encouraging the problem to continue. Most are coming from overpopulated Central American nations that need to fix their own systems and not dump their problems on us.

Same situation with Welfare, why get a job when Uncle Sam will take care of me? Responsibility is learned through harsh actions.

 

[jvol1]

You're the one making the claim chief, burden of extrorordinary proof for your extraordinary claim is on you.

I'm claiming there's no "scientific" proof either way. Our science hasn't developed to the point of being able to draw conclusions about metaphysics yet. I would say you're the one that's reduced the matter to binary terms when theres no evidence that one conclusion is superior to the other.

 

[jvol1]

so if you are separating out the discussion about God from a rational method.

would you accept someone else's faith as proof? as that is all you offer to support your stance.

To me the point is that there isn't proof. Proof would invalidate freewill.

 

[volbound1700]

The burden of proof is on you, dude---not on us. You want me to prove there isn't a purple alien standing in the street when everyone
can see that there's not. There is not a scintilla of proof of a "god"---and there never will be. If you chose to belief in the tooth fairy, it would
be no different from believing in "god." One can choose to belief in anything--no matter how illogical--and unless you can prove it, it doesn't exist. "God" is a completely preposterous concept--born of fear of mortality--if we're honest.

I will bite:

Saint Bede once cited the idea that the very notion of a God indicates that God must exist. How did the Human Race come up with the laws, precepts, and concepts of God?

Bede - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The fact that Apostles in the 1st Century were willing to sacrifice themselves (often in very brutal manner) is very telling. The stories of Peter, Paul, John, etc. Where they just madmen? How do you explain them?

The story of Joan of Arc is very interesting. How does a teenage girl convince a King to lend her his armies at a desperate time? Why do soldiers follow her? How did she win? She claims she had visions from God. Was she insane?

Regarding the Great Flood. Scientist now cite that it was feasible (at least in the region) and there is geological evidence of flooding of the Earth in past eras. You can Google and read up on it. Not to mention that multiple cultures over different regions cite to a flood including the Epic of Gilgamesh.

You can cite to the numerous miracles or strange occurrences all across the Globe throughout history including demon possessions, the Lady of Fatima, Eye Witness accounts, etc. You would have to discount a significant portion of the human race as basically being insane or lying.

Grandmaster Jacques de Molay's last words were telling. He was executed by the King of France and the Pope for heresy. De Molay predicted that his death would be avenged and both Pope Clement and King Phillip would die within a year. Both died within a year of his death. Kind of creepy.

Jacques de Molay - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The constant survive manuscripts and historical articles from Old/New Testament. Take for example the Dead Sea Scrolls, Tablet found in Moab, etc. There is now historical proof for most of the events in the Bible. We have tables and monuments found in other areas of the world that directly reference people and nations cited in the Bible in the accurate time period quoted by the Bible. Moab has proven to exist. Edom has proven to exist. The Northern Kingdom of Israel has proven to exist and been conquered by the Assyrians. The Southern Kingdom of Judah has proven to exist. There are now references found to Solomon and David, etc.


There is just so much interesting stuff out there. I haven't gotten into the text of the Bible itself which tends to be very accurate even to this very day. This girl quoted on Youtube that you read most books but the Bible is the only book that reads you.

 

[Caculator]

We all need to pray for turbo

 

[volbound1700]

To me the point is that there isn't proof. Proof would invalidate freewill.

Keep in mind that if you believe the Bible, even when God did miracles in front of people, He still had doubters. Look at Exodus as an example.

It does come down to Faith. I think there is a lot of evidence for a divine being but it is a little more sticky when you debate the different religions. To me, it is the actions of the early believers that really drives my evidence but I look at the world differently than others.

 

[turbovol]

Keep in mind that if you believe the Bible, even when God did miracles in front of people, He still had doubters. Look at Exodus as an example.

It does come down to Faith. I think there is a lot of evidence for a divine being but it is a little more sticky when you debate the different religions. To me, it is the actions of the early believers that really drives my evidence but I look at the world differently than others.

There's no evidence for a divine being and never will be. And, correct me if I'm wrong, but the bible was written long after "Jesus" supposedly lived. As you allude, the adherents of the world's many different religions and spiritual philosophies believe in a lot of different things--most of them wacky. And nothing is more wacky or pathetic than self-styled christians who support the most immoral and detestable man in the history of American politics.

 

[volbound1700]

There's no evidence for a divine being and never will be. And, correct me if I'm wrong, but the bible was written long after "Jesus" supposedly lived. As you allude, the adherents of the world's many different religions and spiritual philosophies believe in a lot of different things--most of them wacky. And nothing is more wacky or pathetic than self-styled christians who support the most immoral and detestable man in the history of American politics.

The Dead Sea Scrolls are dated prior to Christ and are direct citations of the Old Testament so the Old Testament was very much in play in Ancient Israel as described in the Bible.

Dead Sea Scrolls - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

You also have the Mesha Stele tablet from 800 B.C. that directly references a war in the Book of Kings and cites the correct ruler of Israel at the time.

Mesha Stele - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

There is also a monument in Assyria that referenced the correct King of Judah (Hezekiah) and the siege of Jerusalem. It is blank on the outcome but it is timed accurately with the event in the Bible when God sent down an angel to wipe out the Assyrian army. Typically, blank records in Assyria indicates a defeat.

I can somewhat agree that Trump doesn't necessarily have or push Christian values. I don't think Jesus would be a fan of either party right now. I made a post earlier in this thread about Trump and Christianity.

 

[jvol1]

Keep in mind that if you believe the Bible, even when God did miracles in front of people, He still had doubters. Look at Exodus as an example.

It does come down to Faith. I think there is a lot of evidence for a divine being but it is a little more sticky when you debate the different religions. To me, it is the actions of the early believers that really drives my evidence but I look at the world differently than others.

Even people who dont believe in God, still frequently have a mostly christian moral code. Does that count as faith?

 

[volbound1700]

Even people who dont believe in God, still frequently have a mostly christian moral code. Does that count as faith?

That is, to me, more evidence of a Devine Being.

 

[creekdipper]

Even people who dont believe in God, still frequently have a mostly christian moral code. Does that count as faith?

Faith in themselves or the opinions of others or evolution or the universe or something.

It doesn't qualify as faith that one's only hope to please God is to accept the imputed righteousness of Jesus Christ as the Savior who kept God's Law perfectly in the sinner's stead.

 

[creekdipper]

To me the point is that there isn't proof. Proof would invalidate freewill.

Creation is the most basic, irrefutable proof of God's existence. There is no other even remotely plausible explanation, and that's being kind.

 

[Majors]

Oh please.

Trump CLAIMS to be a Christian to get votes and pats on the back, applause. He doesn't say that out of the least bit of sincerity.

About as sincere as rubbing rosary beads.

 

[MHS Rebel]

And nothing is more wacky or pathetic than self-styled Christians who support the most immoral and detestable man in the history of American politics.

No, I do not support Biden,

 

[dalton_vol]

You're the one making the claim chief, burden of extrorordinary proof for your extraordinary claim is on you.

Plenty of proof that God exists. You reject it.

 

[dalton_vol]

Creation is the most basic, irrefutable proof of God's existence. There is no other even remotely plausible explanation, and that's being kind.

Yeah, absolutely. It is impossible for the human body to evolve based on random molecules lining up properly

 

[dalton_vol]

Even people who dont believe in God, still frequently have a mostly christian moral code. Does that count as faith?

"Atheists" cheat when claiming there is no God. They cherry from the biblical worldview. They claim there is no absolute truths, but in the same breath claim that molesting kids is morally wrong.

 

[Septic]

I'm claiming there's no "scientific" proof either way. Our science hasn't developed to the point of being able to draw conclusions about metaphysics yet. I would say you're the one that's reduced the matter to binary terms when theres no evidence that one conclusion is superior to the other.

Nah, son. If you make extraordinary claims, you must provide the extraordinary proof. The burden isn't on the one buying it, it's on the one selling it.

It's really that easy.

Fact is, you probably believe what you believe because of where you were born and what church your folks drug you into as a child. That's the case for 95%+ of all "believers."

You don't believe in Thor for the same reason I don't believe in the Christian God, you just haven't reconciled the 'why' in your noodle yet. Call me when you do.

 

[Septic]

Plenty of proof that God exists. You reject it.

Trot it out and collect your prize at the door.

Stand back ya'll, "faith" in god is about to get replaced with "plenty of proof."

 

[Septic]

"Atheists" cheat when claiming there is no God. They cherry from the biblical worldview. They claim there is no absolute truths, but in the same breath claim that molesting kids is morally wrong.

You seem to think that atheists and agnostics have a hardon for not believing in your flavor of God or religious offshoot. In fact, your god isn't that special at all - these groups don't believe in any of the 3,000+ gods.

How can you be so certain that any one or more of the other 2,999+ aren't right.... and you chose wrong? They have as much proof as you do.

 

[dalton_vol]

Trot it out and collect your prize at the door.

Stand back ya'll, "faith" in god is about to get replaced with "plenty of proof."

Any proof, you'll reject. It doesn't matter how much evidence presented you'll reject it.