Poll: Should SEC downsize?

Poll: Should SEC downsize?

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#26
#26
SayUWantAreVOLution said:
Much of college footballs recent realignment can be explained by this article and the eyeballs and ad revenue associated with these fanbases. It's not rocket science, TX brings lots of eyeballs (read: ad $$$..... read bigger TV money) to the SEC.

https://www.si.com/fannation/colleg...s-ohio-state-texas-alabama-georgia-notre-dame
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Typical yankee crap propaganda. Leave it to some snot-nosed Ivy Leaguer and Southern Cal grad to tell us all how the Big 10 is so much better than the SEC. Ooooh, the biggest fan bases are all in the Big 10! Ohio State has 12 million "fans"! What asanine horsecrap. What does a "fan" even constitute? They say Southern Cal has 4 million "fans." Well. I lived in SoCal for a decade, and let me tell you, most Southern Cal "fans" couldn't be bothered to know the name of their quarterback, much less the score of last week's game. Were there diehards? Sure. A few. But not enough to matter. Their ticket prices outside of the UCLA game were absurd. 50 bucks to sit ten rows up on the 50 yard line, for conference games. All the time. Stadium usually nowhere near full. I'd take Tennessee's 3.3 million fans over their four million supposed fans any day.

But if you read crap like that, why, the poor old pitiful SEC with its tiny Southern fanbases could never hope to measure up with the beautiful Big 10. 100 years later and those "Tier 1 academic institutions" still can't get over how routinely the poor little south whips their ass in competitive sports.
 
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Voltopia said:
Typical yankee crap propaganda. Leave it to some snot-nosed Ivy Leaguer and Southern Cal grad to tell us all how the Big 10 is so much better than the SEC. Ooooh, the biggest fan bases are all in the Big 10! Ohio State has 12 million "fans"! What asanine horsecrap. What does a "fan" even constitute? They say Southern Cal has 4 million "fans." Well. I lived in SoCal for a decade, and let me tell you, most Southern Cal fans couldn't be bothered to know the name of their quarterback, much less the score of last week's game. Were there diehards? Sure. A few. But not enough to matter. Their ticket prices outside of the UCLA game were absurd. 50 bucks to sit ten rows up on the 50 yard line, for conference games. All the time. Stadium usually nowhere near full. I'd take Tennessee's 3.3 million fans over their four million supposed fans any day.

But if you read crap like that, why, the poor old pitiful SEC with its tiny Southern fanbases could never hope to measure up with the beautiful Big 10. 100 years later and those "Tier 1 academic institutions" still can't get over how routinely the poor little south whips their ass in competitive sports.
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My man, you can choose another fanbase count as you wish. You'll see the same teams there...... maybe in a different order...... but the point stands, the realigning teams are the ones with big fanbases.
 
#28
#28
Vol865 said:
I don't want to add any teams we are in constant recruiting battles with unless they are more middle of the road. Takes away a selling point for us. I'd be cool with adding someone like WVU and OK State or GT/VT

This is assuming rumors of Vandy/Mizzou leaving are true. I want to stay at 16.
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Those teams will be your middle of the road teams after a few years. Clemson and FSU wont have nearly the success playing an SEC schedule. Clemson has 1 tough game a year, playing in a real league they would have 3-4 more losses a year. If the SEC adds them they would be your WVU or Oklahoma state. Texas and Oklahoma could make noise in the SEC, but any ACC team we add would just fall in the middle tier with Texas A&M, Ole Miss, Kentucky, South Carolina.
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
My man, you can choose another fanbase count as you wish. You'll see the same teams there...... maybe in a different order...... but the point stands, the realigning teams are the ones with big fanbases.
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Oh yeah yeah, sure, whatever, they're all big name brands, that's fine, I don't care about that. I'm just not going to take some fancy pants list of "fans" that puts Ohio State, Michigan, Penn State, and Wisconsin's fanbases above everyone in the SEC lying down. Nuts to that. Propaganda I tell you. Damned yankee propaganda.
 
#32
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#1fulmerite said:
Can someone please explain to me the reasoning for bringing Texas in to the SEC. If it is all about media coverage a state, we already had aTm. Was it done purely to get the Oklahoma T.V. market?

If that’s not the case, why not bring Miami or FSU (baring the FSU/ACC 120 million contract)?
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Texas is a much bigger brand than A&M. It's the Texas equivalent of Oklahoma vs Oklahoma State. Texas is usually the #1 or #2 team in CFB in terms of money generated.

When expanding you have to take on teams that will bring more value to the conference than their extra split of revenue would consume. Any expansion is made with this already worked out. That's why teams like Kansas get left behind, even though they were begging to get into the Big 10 or SEC.
 
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Voltopia said:
Oh yeah yeah, sure, whatever, they're all big name brands, that's fine, I don't care about that. I'm just not going to take some fancy pants list of "fans" that puts Ohio State, Michigan, Penn State, and Wisconsin's fanbases above everyone in the SEC lying down. Nuts to that. Propaganda I tell you. Damned yankee propaganda.
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I get it but lots of the reason is just math. You lived in CA and know how hellish crowded it is out there in the urban areas.

Metro LA alone has about the same population as TN and AL combined. I think the same is true of Ohio and probably MI too. With that many people you don't need to see a tOSU sticker on every car like TN or AL to still have a lot of fans.

There's just a lot of those folks. And there outta be a law that if you go to TN or below you have to: learn to say y'all, not you guys, learn to eat and like fried okra, and forget how to make scrapple.
 
#34
#34
VolBricks said:
I think after TX and OU come in the SEC should (and will be) very selective if it expands more. Any team that comes in after TX/OU will have to bring in a winning football/mens basketball and some more viewership for TV. That is going to be very few teams. FSU? probably not, we already have FL. Clemson?, probably not we already have USCjr. Virginia Tech?, maybe. My point is there will be very few teams that can make "the cut" and bring in cache and viewers.
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I’m thinking 4 more. VA, VAt, WV, NC, NCst. Pick 4. Cover the whole se viewing market.
 
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A2K said:
I just never did understand the Texas A&M or the Missouri addition....Texas and Oklahoma makes sense to me though.
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Mizzu is smack in the middle between St Louis and Kansas City. It's also the only FBS school in the entire state of Missouri. In terms of TV markets it makes perfect sense.

A&M was about breaking into the Texas TV Market, which is enormous. I assume the SEC got them because Texas didn't want to leave the Big 12 at the time, or wanted to much to do so. They had a ton of pull in that conference, at the time.
 
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It's pretty simple, everyone that sits on their hands gets eaten. The B1G has created an advantage over the SEC. The B1G can say they are a national brand. The SEC is going to have to protect the south and hope that the distance is too much for the teams in the B1G.
 
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#38
#38
I think the SEC should be 70 teams, add some teams from Canada and some JUCO, I mean that’s where we’re headed right?
 
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JCHateSteve said:
Mizzu is smack in the middle between St Louis and Kansas City. It's also the only FBS school in the entire state of Missouri. In terms of TV markets it makes perfect sense.

A&M was about breaking into the Texas TV Market, which is enormous. I assume the SEC got them because Texas didn't want to leave the Big 12 at the time, or wanted to much to do so. They had a ton of pull in that conference, at the time.
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That's unfortunately it exactly....revenue, revenue and revenue. $ taking over everything we know.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
I understand Texas A&M. It seems like Missouri was added just because they needed an even number of schools. They are not a good fit.
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They added Missouri for the St Louis area tv market. What they failed to understand is that not many people in that area tuned in to watch sorry ass Missouri play anyway, especially now that they usually get that tail whooped
 
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madbamahater said:
I am probably wrong, but I feel as an outsider that the BIG 10 has hurt their brand.
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And I'll bet that if the Big 12 knew that the AZ schools, Colorado and Utah were attainable there's a good chance that they never feel the need to add the four Group of 5 schools.

I thought that adding Rutgers and Maryland was a bad move, Nebraska will always be a Big 8/12 school, and those west coast schools aside from possibly USC are going to have a tough time competing. Thing is that the Big 10 has been top heavy for a while now, and the bottom half of the conference is full of teams that will never be big time programs. Aside from Vandy and maybe Mizzou, USCjr and KY, anyone in the SEC is capable of competing on a very high level.
 
#46
#46
madbamahater said:
Ever expanding conferences do ultimately consolidate fanbases, but I'm not so sure just expanding and expanding is the answer to long term growth. Football fans (consumers) tune in to games, or not, based on whether or not the product is worth watching. Just because Washington will travel to play Wisconsin or vice versa in an in-conference match-up, doesn't have anything do to with the quality of game it will be for the consumer. I get this scenario now has two regions tuning in for one game, so the audience may naturally be greater in numbers. But, if both teams suck or are average and two SEC teams are squaring off, guess what game MOST of the country will tune in to watch. Why? The overall product is better.

Should the SEC take a look at trimming some fat? Is this the real time to actually move some dead weight and leeches out of the conference that do not produce? I just don't want to see the SEC continue to keep expanding. I just don't think it's necessary to get too far out of the region and just don't see the long-term benefit in a positive way. If the SEC scales it back by a couple of teams or four then it could give some room to add a couple of other regional powerhouses in the future.

I don't think anybody needs to be worried about all the realignment going on right now because in a few years some of these teams will have buyer's remorse and be looking to go somewhere else again.
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This is a completely moot point - it isn't about 'tradition' and 'rivalries' anymore, it's only about media rights money and power. No one will have buyers' remorse as long as they are collecting $60-70 million a year from the media rights, plus whatever they get from the CFP and bowl games. 'Tradition' and 'rivalries' are catch phrases conveniently used to keep the fan interest up, but they aren't even on the list of priorities any more.

The bottom line is that as long as the commodity of college football is valuable and the media rights money is there, no one will be downsizing any time soon. This is the easiest money these schools will ever make, and the only cost is to be part of one of these "super" conferences.
 
#47
#47
sami said:
This is a completely moot point - it isn't about 'tradition' and 'rivalries' anymore, it's only about media rights money and power. No one will have buyers' remorse as long as they are collecting $60-70 million a year from the media rights, plus whatever they get from the CFP and bowl games. 'Tradition' and 'rivalries' are catch phrases conveniently used to keep the fan interest up, but they aren't even on the list of priorities any more.

The bottom line is that as long as the commodity of college football is valuable and the media rights money is there, no one will be downsizing any time soon. This is the easiest money these schools will ever make, and the only cost is to be part of one of these "super" conferences.
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And when no one is watching crappy games, guess what the networks will do.....cut ties....

If schools are jumping off of sinking ships to go get a money grab across country, because their respective current conferences suck, then they will make their new conference suck in the future. If no one is tuning in now to some of these flailing teams/games, how does this change anything long term?
 
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Personally, I could do without Mizzou and Vandy, but I doubt if the SEC will give them the boot, so...

Downsizing is not the way the wind is currently blowing. Right now, "Super Conference" is the new hot term. So I look for the SEC to expand, not downsize.

Buncha threads here about the same / similar topic, and I've posted in a few of them, but my money would be on UNC, NCSU, VT, and UVA as the next targets for the SEC. Maybe Wake and Duke, and maybe WVU, but only after the first four I mentioned.

The ACC, IMO, is now in a fight for its' future. Take away Clemson and FSU (and the SEC doesn't want either one), and the ACC is a G5 conference. But adding UNC, NCSU, VT, and UVA would bring a lot of everything to the conference that scoops them up.

With at least 3 of those 4, and maybe WVU, the SEC would lock down everything east of the Mississippi and south of D.C. Nice chunk of real estate chock full of rabid sports fans. Texas, OU, and Arky give us the plus of a nice piece of the southwest fan base.

As the PAC-12 just proved, sitting pat is a formula for disaster in the current market. If the PAC-12 even survives, it will be as a G5 conference.

Next year or so gonna be fun to watch.

Go Vols.
 
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#1fulmerite said:
Can someone please explain to me the reasoning for bringing Texas in to the SEC. If it is all about media coverage a state, we already had aTm. Was it done purely to get the Oklahoma T.V. market?

If that’s not the case, why not bring Miami or FSU (baring the FSU/ACC 120 million contract)?
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About 3 million people watch Texas football every weekend. That probably had something to do with it.

If it wasn't for the Texas legislature stopping them, A&M and Texas would have joined the SEC in 1992.
 
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