Position changes that can help our team?

#51
#51
OrangeByBirth said:
The best moves I see are for the defense to allow fewer points and the offense to score more. Those moves will result in a reversal of fortune very quickly.
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It took a smart fellow to figure that out:eek:lol:, now if we had been playing golf the last few years damn we would have been good.
 
#54
#54
oregonvol said:
I don't know if he is. Usually it's about quickness as much as pure speed and usually it's smaller guys that have success in those roles (Cordarelle Patterson being a very notable exception). I would hope with all the receivers and defensive backs we've got coming in, that one of them could be a dangerous returner.
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I've always felt like punt returns were more about quickness and kick returns are more about pure speed... find a seam and GO.

If it's true about Evan Berry beating Eric in a 40-yard dash... he may be the guy we're looking for as a kick returner.

LaVon Pearson may also be a potential weapon in kick return, especially if that 4.48 is a legit laser-timed 40.. but given the fact that his "speed" rating on 247sports is only a 6, I'm guessing that his listed time is not accurate.
 
#56
#56
OrangeByBirth said:
The best moves I see are for the defense to allow fewer points and the offense to score more. Those moves will result in a reversal of fortune very quickly.
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So you are saying scoring more points than the opposition increases our chances of winning? All should bow down to your infinite wisdom.
 
#57
#57
Teeman said:
Maybe so, but it would be for depth only. We are a little thin on the OL. We have Meredith, King, Ellis, Summers, Quinn, Branisel, maybe Croom, Helm, and Wolf. That's nine. How many TEs do we need? Downs has experience and more size than the others is the only reason I mentioned him. Just a thought. Laugh if you want, but Helm and Wolf came to UT and enrolled early for a reason.
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If he can't block as a TE, than he most certainly can't block as an OL.
 
#58
#58
SCvol333 said:
I did not say Mcneil was bad - in fact I think I said he is too athletic to keep off the field

that being said if (and its an if for any FR) one of the newcomers at safety is really good it might make sense to try Mcneil at LB

he is physical and it wouldnt take too much weight to make him a fit at OLB

he is just a guy I might toy with - certainly wouldnt give up on him as a player for us - just might try him at OLB and see if it might fit him better
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If TK2 takes starting safety spot, we still need McNeil for two-deep rotation. Now if he tumbles down to third string, you can consider LB but that is probably our biggest haul this year for recruits.
 
#59
#59
armchair said:
Croom could be a beast at TE and should have played that position last year, IMO. He would have helped the offense a LOT more there than at WR, where his impact was minimal, even if his blocking was suspect. I think that was a major coaching mistake, and if he's not moved this year we should hire Mack Brown--I'm kidding, but not about Croom playing TE.
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*I think we get bogged down on naming positions. Basic idea is that Croom would be a beast in the slot position. You see V Davis and Megatron line up there at times. Croom lined up against either a safety or OLB is a mismatch from *ell.
 
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#61
#61
I know we got a lot of help coming in at safety. Evan Berry, Toddy Kelley Jr., RaShaan Gaulden, and four star Cortez McDowell. This means the starting guys have to play well because all four of these guys although young are players and have speed.
 
#62
#62
I don't really like the idea of moving McNeil to LB. You'd be taking a guy that's had two different defensive cordinators in the past two years and then you'd be asking him to change positions. You're just asking for him to get lost in the shuffle. Young guys like McNeil, Sutton, Lemond Johnson should take a huge step forward in their second year under Jancek. I'm not fond of the idea of moving a guy as soon as he gets comfortable in the scheme at his natural position.
 
#63
#63
oregonvol said:
i don't know if he is. Usually it's about quickness as much as pure speed and usually it's smaller guys that have success in those roles (cordarelle patterson being a very notable exception). I would hope with all the receivers and defensive backs we've got coming in, that one of them could be a dangerous returner.
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#65
#65
alwaysvol said:
Meredith is no longer with the team, the others you have mentioned have not done anything. I have high hopes for Helm, and Wolf, but maybe we should see them play before you move the only TE with any game experince. I'm not even sure King is still at TE.
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Thanks. I forgot about Meredith and wasn't sure about King. I agree about the others. That's why Wolf and Helm are EEs. If King stays at TE and Croom is moved there, Downs at OL is just a thought. It could be any other TE with size to create depth on the OL.
 
#67
#67
SCvol333 said:
I did not say Mcneil was bad - in fact I think I said he is too athletic to keep off the field

that being said if (and its an if for any FR) one of the newcomers at safety is really good it might make sense to try Mcneil at LB

he is physical and it wouldnt take too much weight to make him a fit at OLB

he is just a guy I might toy with - certainly wouldnt give up on him as a player for us - just might try him at OLB and see if it might fit him better
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McNeil might end up in the mold of an Anthony Sessions type LB that Chief used in the late 90s. About 200#, but great on outside blitzes and rb/te coverage. But a good enough hitter to make tackles in space. Don't want him in the middle taking on FBs or blocking TEs tho.
Monte used EB that way and effectively. Unfortunately that most likely cost him the NCAA into return yards record, by I digress.
 
#68
#68
Let's move all offense to defense and vice versa . AJ the QB, North at LB . I think this might just work .
Hurd would be a defensive end and I would never have to read another post about him being to tall.
 
#71
#71
volfan_28 said:
Absolutely not. Our starting DEs are Corey Vereen and Jordan Williams. We'll be relying LaTroy Lewis and true freshmen to fill out the depth chart. That's terrible.

Really? Tell Malik Brown and Jaylen Miller that. Both are Jones recruits entering their second season who are DEs
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#72
#72
Teeman said:
Thanks. I forgot about Meredith and wasn't sure about King. I agree about the others. That's why Wolf and Helm are EEs. If King stays at TE and Croom is moved there, Downs at OL is just a thought. It could be any other TE with size to create depth on the OL.
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King was moved to LB at the beginning of fall camp. Our current (scholarship) LBs are Downs, Quinn, Branisel, Helm, and Wolf. Branisel tore a ligament in his knee late last season and it's unknown whether he'll play or redshirt this season.

Quinn will probably never crack the rotation: he's too soft. Got run over in the AP game.

So that makes our depth chart at TE Downs/Wolf/Helm. Moving Downs to the OL will never and should never happen. He's 240. If he out on 20 lbs he'd still be ~30 lbs too light to play on the line. What's the point of moving him to a different position for depth if he'd likely be worse than the freshmen we have at that spot? He's a senior and our most experienced TE. That move would make no sense whatsoever unless we had 7-8 OL go down. And even them we'd probably be more likely to see DL move to OL.
 
#73
#73
volfan_28 said:
Absolutely not. Our starting DEs are Corey Vereen and Jordan Williams. We'll be relying LaTroy Lewis and true freshmen to fill out the depth chart. That's terrible.

I think Reeves-Maybin, AJ, and Weatherd at LB with Maggit at DE puts the best 11 players on the field.
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Jaylen Miller, Malik Brown, and Kendall Vickers are all redshirt freshmen who could crack the rotation. Additionally, EE Dimarya Mixon is a late qualifier, so he's physically similar to a redshirt freshmen. One out of Derek Barnett Corey Thomas, and Dewayne Hendrix could (if not should) have a Corey Vereen level impact as a freshman and crack the rotation.

IMO the only time we could see Maggit with his hand in the dirt would be in some nickel/ obvious passing situations as a speedy pass rusher. I think both he and Weatherd could be used this way effectively.

However, he wouldn't match up well against OTs as an every down DE. Too light and not stout enough against the run. He's better off playing off the line where he can use his speed and agility to beat blocks as opposed to pure the pure power that a DL needs.
 
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