Possible Defense next year

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volfan_28 said:
I agree. A defense doesn't have to have playmakers at every position in order to be great; but of the ones who are not playmakers, they must play their assignments. I think Williams can do that, and I think he is strong enouch that teams won't be able to abuse us by running toward his side of the ball.

That being said, a great defense is able to generate a pass rush from it's front 4. Vereen won't be able to get that done by himself. We need someone else to emerge.
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Don't disagree with the concept, but give me a more explosive, more talented DE capable of disrupting an offense with his ability to penetrate and pressure a QB in the pocket. How about we find the guy that other players feed off rather than having a guy that needs better players around him to be effective.

I don't think Williams is that guy. I'm hoping that Hendrix or another player on the roster is.
 
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sjt18 said:
Coaching was the largest factor on D last year. Although the results were bad, I could see a "direction" they were trying to take the O. Implementing a system like theirs on O does explain some of the issues.

On D, they returned to the 4-3 after only one year away. Yes, there are some differences in the way one coach deploys the 4-3.... but nowhere near enough to explain why most of the same guys who manned a credible D in '11 were awful this past fall. To say there are questions as to whether Jancek is an SEC level DC is a massive understatement ordinaries in .
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I think the massive turnover that group of kids saw from their coaches was likely a factor in them not developing the way we thought they would.

Our DL and LBs had 3 different position coaches and coordinators in 3 years. I'm not as sure about the turnover for the secondary, but I'm sure it was similar. Each coach most likely taught differently and expected different things from his players. Having to change your routine and they way you're taught every season would hinder the development of any player. I think there's a lot to be said for stability and kids having comfort in a system they've run for multiple seasons.

I think this season will give us a better idea of whether Jancek can be an SEC DC. His first defense at Cincy was bad, but they showed steady improvement every season he was there. Hopefully our kids are able to take to his coaching and improve in a similar fashion. I'm hoping our defense shows enough improvement to keep him around so our beast recruiting class won't have to deal with turnover early in their careers.
 
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KBVol said:
Don't disagree with the concept, but give me a more explosive, more talented DE capable of disrupting an offense with his ability to penetrate and pressure a QB in the pocket. How about we find the guy that other players feed off rather than having a guy that needs better players around him to be effective.

I don't think Williams is that guy. I'm hoping that Hendrix or another player on the roster is.
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You're most likely going to have to wait a season before we see that guy. Williams will play a lot because he is physically capable and can play disciplined ball. Others will definitely play and rotate in too, but our talent is extremely young.
 
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Darth_Shiveman said:
Leo: Vereen
DT: Owen Williams
DT: Saulsberry
DE: Jordan Williams

The starting 4 on the DL doesn't mean a whole lot because we'll rotate a lot of guys and many more than 4 will get significant snaps. Carr, O'brien, Lewis, Miller, Mixon, Henderson, Hendrix, and Barnett all have a shot at seeing a lot of snaps. Vickers, Malik Brown, and Mosely are deal horses to crack the rotation.

OLB: Maggit
MLB: AJ
OLB: Weatherd

I think Weatherd's skillset is similar to Maggit's and he'll back him up for the most part. Both could be used as speed rushers on 3rd down. JRM seems like a pro type WLB who should be athletic enough to play 3 downs. Bates is a dark horse to crack the rotation at that spot because of his athleticism and instincts. Justin King is a wildcard here because we haven't seen him at LB. I have a feeling the coaches redshirted him for a reason and we may see a lot of him this season (especially if Maggit and/or Weatherd end up playing closer to the line of scrimmage as some are speculating could happen).

CB: Payne
NB: Coleman
S: Randolph
S: McNeil
CB: Sutton

IMO this is the hardest position group to project. I put Payne at NB over Gaulden because he'll have spring practice as an advantage. One of Kelly, Gaulden, or McDowell could snag the safety spot from McNeil, but I'm not sure it will happen since none are EEs. I'd consider Riyadh Jones and Malik Foreman dark horses to steal Coleman's spot or the NB spot. Evan Berry is a wildcard and if they stick him on defense he's athletic enough to have a Sutton-like impact.


TL;DR: There are a lot of variables at each position group.
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I've offered a couple of recommended changes. In addition, you will see Vereen and Hendrix rushing the passer off the edge in passing situations. That's a ton of speed coming off the edge.

I believe Payne and Mosley will make an impact at CB. They are both suited to be shut-down CBs. Coleman will give the savvy and experience we so needed at NB.
 
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KBVol said:
Don't disagree with the concept, but give me a more explosive, more talented DE capable of disrupting an offense with his ability to penetrate and pressure a QB in the pocket. How about we find the guy that other players feed off rather than having a guy that needs better players around him to be effective.

I don't think Williams is that guy. I'm hoping that Hendrix or another player on the roster is.
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Agree if that more explosive player also plays his assignments... "does his job"... even when he's not making big plays. Sometimes a person (in any team) who makes others better is more valuable than a much better performer who does not.
 
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Darth_Shiveman said:
I think the massive turnover that group of kids saw from their coaches was likely a factor in them not developing the way we thought they would.

Our DL and LBs had 3 different position coaches and coordinators in 3 years. I'm not as sure about the turnover for the secondary, but I'm sure it was similar. Each coach most likely taught differently and expected different things from his players. Having to change your routine and they way you're taught every season would hinder the development of any player. I think there's a lot to be said for stability and kids having comfort in a system they've run for multiple seasons.

I think this season will give us a better idea of whether Jancek can be an SEC DC. His first defense at Cincy was bad, but they showed steady improvement every season he was there. Hopefully our kids are able to take to his coaching and improve in a similar fashion. I'm hoping our defense shows enough improvement to keep him around so our beast recruiting class won't have to deal with turnover early in their careers.
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I would like to have confidence... I just don't. I agree there are issues when you change staffs like that. I do not agree they explain all or even most of the failures of this year's D.

Jancek's time at UGA was not successful. His first year at UT was not successful. The competition he faced at Cincy keeps me from gaining much confidence based on that. He may end up walking on water but I simply did not see anything from a playcalling, scheme, or development angle that suggests he's the DC UT needs.

It is Jones' call... and his future at stake. I completely respect that. I just hope that if the time comes to cut bait... he'll do it.
 
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We are going to have a lot more talent but still they will be freshman, this team should be a lot like Ole Miss was this year a lot of talent but young get threw this year then with the 15 class, if it is a top 10 class then we will start going places we just got to hang in there till 15, it gets old hearing next year, but this is one time next year might be the year when you can see the talent with your eyes,some of these 35 ranked classes you know going in you not worth a damn in the SEC it might work in the little 10 with the 33 ranked class in the nation when you only got to play the little ohio state.
 
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Darth_Shiveman said:
You're most likely going to have to wait a season before we see that guy. Williams will play a lot because he is physically capable and can play disciplined ball. Others will definitely play and rotate in too, but our talent is extremely young.
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IMHO, both Hendrix and Henderson are significantly more talented than Williams and will see snaps as true freshmen. Again, hoping one or both turns into some version of Auburn's Carl Lawson who started and was a high contributor as a freshman. I think Hendrix already has the size, 6'4" 260, for it. There's definitely a freshman learning curve. The quicker they get through it the better our defense will be.
 
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KBVol said:
IMHO, both Hendrix and Henderson are significantly more talented than Williams and will see snaps as true freshmen. Again, hoping one or both turns into some version of Auburn's Carl Lawson who started and was a high contributor as a freshman. I think Hendrix already has the size, 6'4" 260, for it. There's definitely a freshman learning curve. The quicker they get through it the better our defense will be.
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Not trying to disagree just to be disagreeing... this time:biggrin:... but IMO based off history the push will probably come from the guys they RS'd and/or have been developing like Carr, Lewis, Vickers, Miller, and Brown.

Maybe the Fr will come along that quickly but based on history it is rare.
 
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VAVolsFan2009 said:
I've offered a couple of recommended changes. In addition, you will see Vereen and Hendrix rushing the passer off the edge in passing situations. That's a ton of speed coming off the edge.

I believe Payne and Mosley will make an impact at CB. They are both suited to be shut-down CBs. Coleman will give the savvy and experience we so needed at NB.
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I listed Weatherd as not starting because I think he and Maggit play the same LB position. Weatherd isn't great in coverage. That, along with the fact that JRM will have had much more time in the system leads me to believe he could edge out Weatherd for spot opposite Maggit.

The idea of Maggit and/or Weatherd rushing the passer on 3rd down is based on some of the fronts we saw last season that featured 3 or 4 DEs (Miller, Vereen, Smith, Williams, etc) used in obvious passing situations. The rationale is to just put your best pass rushers on the field at once. If the staff continues to use such fronts from time to time, you could see Hendrix (or any SDE for that matter) slide inside to a three technique and rush one gap while Maggit or Weatherd moves up to the line and rushes the edge. We saw how well Maggit rushed the passer two seasons ago: he has a great burst off the edge. I believe Weatherd could be used the same way because as a JUCO he often played with his hand in the dirt and was an effective edge rusher.

If the coaches used this type of front, we'd probably see them sub one of our LBs better suited to cover, such as JRM, Bates, perhaps Berry. This would be more of a specialty package than an every down thing though.

As far as Coleman goes, I'd love to see him get kicked inside (and many have speculated seeing it happen), but I'm just not sure our most experienced CB loses his job to a newcomer.
 
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#64
I heard that Rod Wilks fathered 11 children 3 years ago and they have already graduated HS and are walking on to UT next year.
Rod is now a Multi-millionaire(of course) and is paying tuition so it won't count against scholarships.

They will all be starting on Defense.
 
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sjt18 said:
Not trying to disagree just to be disagreeing... this time:biggrin:... but IMO based off history the push will probably come from the guys they RS'd and/or have been developing like Carr, Lewis, Vickers, Miller, and Brown.

Maybe the Fr will come along that quickly but based on history it is rare.
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I tend to agree that we'll probably see more impact from guys who have been in the program longer. However, if you're going to use history, then last year and Corey Vereen provide a good example of true freshmen making a bigger impact than RS freshmen like Latroy Lewis.

I think Hendrix works himself onto the field in a similar situational manner to Vereen. And our freshmen early entries will have a shot too, but I would be surprised to see any true freshmen start or play more than Jordan Williams and/or guys like Carr and Miller.
 
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OrangeDog said:
I heard that Rod Wilks fathered 11 children 3 years ago and they have already graduated HS and are walking on to UT next year.
Rod is now a Multi-millionaire(of course) and is paying tuition so it won't count against scholarships.

They will all be starting on Defense.
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It sounds like Hurd is the second coming of Wilks....wait a minute, has anyone seen Hurd and Wilks in the same room at the same time?
 
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Darth_Shiveman said:
I tend to agree that we'll probably see more impact from guys who have been in the program longer. However, if you're going to use history, then last year and Corey Vereen provide a good example of true freshmen making a bigger impact than RS freshmen like Latroy Lewis.

I think Hendrix works himself onto the field in a similar situational manner to Vereen. And our freshmen early entries will have a shot too, but I would be surprised to see any true freshmen start or play more than Jordan Williams and/or guys like Carr and Miller.
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Good thoughts.

BTW, I am HUGE on JRM too. I expect him to be a breakout player. It will be great though if Weathererd and others can push for PT. Sapp and AJ played way too much this past year.
 
#69
#69
i dont care who is on the field they better just get the job done..everyone has a job do your job so you and your teammates dont get hurt on the field
 
#70
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sjt18 said:
Good thoughts.

BTW, I am HUGE on JRM too. I expect him to be a breakout player. It will be great though if Weathererd and others can push for PT. Sapp and AJ played way too much this past year.
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I hope others make a big push too so we can be comfortable giving our guys a breather or stepping in if one goes down. I'm hoping that the staff redshirted Justin King for similar reasons as they redshirted Marcus Jackson (though I realize that's probably a bit of a stretch) and he will be able to be a big contributor or starter. Someone with his size and athleticism could be huge for our LB corps.
 
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tennezz said:
Relax, we are just having a little fun...We know Hurd is a great guy and a great runningback.
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However, hurd this morning that his name is being tied to that lane closure incident in Fort Lee NJ. Shame. He had so much to offer us as a RB.
 
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Darth_Shiveman said:
I listed Weatherd as not starting because I think he and Maggit play the same LB position. Weatherd isn't great in coverage. That, along with the fact that JRM will have had much more time in the system leads me to believe he could edge out Weatherd for spot opposite Maggit.

The idea of Maggit and/or Weatherd rushing the passer on 3rd down is based on some of the fronts we saw last season that featured 3 or 4 DEs (Miller, Vereen, Smith, Williams, etc) used in obvious passing situations. The rationale is to just put your best pass rushers on the field at once. If the staff continues to use such fronts from time to time, you could see Hendrix (or any SDE for that matter) slide inside to a three technique and rush one gap while Maggit or Weatherd moves up to the line and rushes the edge. We saw how well Maggit rushed the passer two seasons ago: he has a great burst off the edge. I believe Weatherd could be used the same way because as a JUCO he often played with his hand in the dirt and was an effective edge rusher.

If the coaches used this type of front, we'd probably see them sub one of our LBs better suited to cover, such as JRM, Bates, perhaps Berry. This would be more of a specialty package than an every down thing though.

As far as Coleman goes, I'd love to see him get kicked inside (and many have speculated seeing it happen), but I'm just not sure our most experienced CB loses his job to a newcomer.
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I would list Weatherd/JRM as such. Depending on the team, you could see either. JRM is a football player. Weatherd is an athletic freak.

About DB, I would expect Randolph to be much better this year, another year removed from his knee injury. I believe that Kelly, Gaulden, Berry and McDowell will challenge McNeil at the other safety.

Nickelback won't be Toney. Payne, Gaulden, Kelly, McDowell, a Berry etc, Lemond Johnson, will be there, or even Coleman if he gets moved.

Sutton was going to start last year, no matter what. I think that you will see Payne, Moseley, Gaulden, or a Berry opposite Sutton this year

Also, Hendrix, Henderson, Barnett, perhaps Thomas, Mixon, etc will push J Williams. I expect it will be Hendrix and/or Barnett getting a lot of minutes opposite Vereen. Henderson will back Vereen, and Mixon will probably be moved inside and be around 280 when the season starts.
 
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RICK0380 said:
DL JWilliams. OBRIEN, OWilliams, Vereen, LB A.J., Magitt, Reeves Mabin or Justin King, CB Sutton, Probably Coleman but HOPE not he got beat a lot (maybe foreman, or riyad, or a Berry) S Randolph, McNeil. Seems pretty decent with guys like Berrys, TK2, Payne, Bates, Bryant, McDowell, Mouhon, All being more than capable of earning playing time
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DE
Vereen
Maggitt

DT
O. Williams
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LB
AJ Johnson
Weatherd
Reeves Maybin or Bates

CB
Sutton
Payne

DB
Randolph
McNeil
 
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