possible (likely?) scenario if Holly isn't canned soon

[Franklin Pierce]

Some people on this board have, sometimes, obliquely questioned Holly's sexual identity.

Some people have criticized Holly's choice of the clothes she chooses to wear, and even her hair.

Every day it is criticizing her in the most cruel manner, a former UT all-american player, who loves UT as much as anyone.

Many of Holly's vicious critics actually believe THEY will play a part in getting her fired by the number of harsh posts they make on this and other message boards.

Even if Holly were fired (she will not be) what proven coach would want to come to UT after seeing how a former UT all-american player was treated after having one bad season?

 

[vettefool]

Wow there still one holly fan here. Thought they left or changed their opinions. You are correct that comments about her personal lifestyle and clothing are unnessary and tacky. She needs to be go, but unfortunately will not happen.

 

[teacherdean]

Some people on this board have, sometimes, obliquely questioned Holly's sexual identity.

Some people have criticized Holly's choice of the clothes she chooses to wear, and even her hair.

Every day it is criticizing her in the most cruel manner, a former UT all-american player, who loves UT as much as anyone.

Many of Holly's vicious critics actually believe THEY will play a part in getting her fired by the number of harsh posts they make on this and other message boards.

Even if Holly were fired (she will not be) what proven coach would want to come to UT after seeing how a former UT all-american player was treated after having one bad season?

No matter if you love Holly or hate her guts she is not good for a program in trouble. I don't care if she wears men's clothes, has a sex change or not, is heterosexual or love women, none of that has anything to do with the state of this team and her ability to coach. The woman is constantly out coached, not making proper line up changes, admits that she does not know what to do, seldom coaches players on the sideline like other coaches, using an antiquated offense, can't make halftime changes, plays not to lose rather than to win, thinks it is not her job to motivate, no recruits for 2016 and zero verbals for 2017. What about all that makes her remotely a good head coach?

HOLLY JUST CAN'T GET ER DONE

 

[Ladyvolfan4ever]

Wow there still one holly fan here. Thought they left or changed their opinions. You are correct that comments about her personal lifestyle and clothing are unnessary and tacky. She needs to be go, but unfortunately will not happen.

I have been a Holly supporter but have now come to my senses. If she don't leave we won't have any recruits from the 2017 class.

 

[Spacejam]

Oh please you never miss an opportunity to personally attack DeShields and criticizing her for everything but when it's Holly getting criticized you want to complain that it's not fair. you never hold her accountable for anything and in your mind she should be off limits while DeShields and every other player gets thrown under the bus.

 

[teacherdean]

I have been a Holly supporter but have now come to my senses. If she don't leave we won't have any recruits from the 2017 class.

You are healed my child, you were blind but now you see the real Holly, nice but no head coach.:yahoo:

 

[cgbtn]

I would replace Dunbar with Russell. If there is an exodus, Kortney will be getting 30 minutes per game. Russell has to know she's killing her WNBA profile by playing for a 3rd tier coach and not getting better. She has 2 years to make a statement, and she can't risk wasting another year with Holly.

Our coach for post players has not changed. Russell was an overrated recruit whose only asset was height. She doesn't move without the ball; she can't catch the ball; and if she does manage to catch it, she can't shoot it without taking it to the floor and getting stripped by a 5' 2" player. She is only impressive when she rebounds and puts it back. In fact, we could improve our offense by having the backcourt throw up soft misses and letting Graves and Russell put 'em back.

If Russell leaves, she will be a bad player wherever she goes.

 

[Nute Gunray]

1. 2-3 players transfer.

2. LVs sign a Southern Conference-caliber HS player in the spring and possibly a juco, giving us a roster of 8-9 scholarship players + a couple of walk-ons.

3. In order to avoid whiffing again during the fall signing period, we add a couple more marginal prospects. Top recruits recognize that the LV brand has been diminished significantly and the allure of joining a once-prestigious program has evaporated. And given that current players are a program's best recruiters, many recruits are turned off by the toxic atmosphere in the UT program. Even if they like Holly and/or the assistants, the uncertainty surrounding the coaching staff's future gives them additional reason to go elsewhere.

4. Averaging under 60 points per game in 2016-17, the LVs record their first losing season in history. Average home attendance falls below 8,000.

5. Holly is forced to "resign" in March for the good of the program; a new head coach is hired in April.

6. 2017-18 & 2018-19: Due to having signed only 1-2 SEC-caliber prospects in the preceding 3 years, the LVs and their fans suffer through 2 more losing seasons with horribly depleted rosters.

Your predictions are very, very likely to come true, kamoshika. Although, I believe they will average under 50 points in 2016-2017. Also, the losing seasons will continue if the AD does not sign a head coach will a winning percentage of .750 or more over a minimum 5 year period.

 

[Amb3096]

Our coach for post players has not changed. Russell was an overrated recruit whose only asset was height. She doesn't move without the ball; she can't catch the ball; and if she does manage to catch it, she can't shoot it without taking it to the floor and getting stripped by a 5' 2" player. She is only impressive when she rebounds and puts it back. In fact, we could improve our offense by having the backcourt throw up soft misses and letting Graves and Russell put 'em back.

If Russell leaves, she will be a bad player wherever she goes.

I don't disagree with any of the deficiencies you've listed in Russell's game, but I believe that coaching can improve them. Either Lockwood is not doing his job, or Russell is beyond hope. I can't imagine she's so bad that she can't improve despite appropriate coaching.

RE: the backcourt...I thought that's what they've already been doing all season?

 

[Nute Gunray]

The U.T. Athletic Department has not build up it's "war chest" like Hart wants us to have. So, to fire Holly and owe her a buy-out is not reasonable at this point. For Holly to volunteer to resign, means, (1) she is viewed as a quitter & (2) she is not owed any money from the Athletic Department. So, she will NOT resign.

She will stay another year and the program will fall further. Once that happens, she will be fired and we will have to find someone interested in coming here.

We look at U.T. as the "end all be all" of coaching jobs but outsiders don't see it that way.

When Bruce left, we literally had to hire the 20th person on our coaching list. No one was really interested. Eventhough Bruce had instilled a winning attitude in the program and within the fan base. Hell, we beat Florida, Oklahoma State, Kansas & Ohio State on national t.v. That is huge for the men's program, yet no one was interested in the job.

In football, Kiffin begged for the job and Hamilton was too lazy to do a search, so he hired him.
In football, Dooley was the 18th person on the list after Butch Davis, Lovie Smith, Jon Gruden, MusChamp and others were not interested.
Dooley gets fired and we end up hiring the 19th person on the list.

When Holly gets fired, I don't see a people running to Knoxville for the job. We will end up hiring someone's top assitant with no head coaching experience. From Notre Dame, UNC, Duke, UConn or SOuth Carolina. Top Assistants will not command as much money as a proven head coach. That is a plus for Hart.

The new coach will have growing pains and it will take years of recruiting to overcome the lack of recruiting from 2015, 2016 & 2017 that Holly did.

This is the more realistic scenerio.

UNLESS, Tyler takes his team far in the tourney and the A.D. is impressed and he takes the job. He may not take the job after his mom's long time assistant was fired.

I disagree with your post, Rudy123. You cannot compare the WCBB program under Pat Summitt with the men's basketball program or football. Pat is a WCBB legend and always will be. I believe that Gail Goestenkors would accept the LV head coaching position in a heartbeat if the position was offered to her. Holly cannot destroy Pat's legendary reputation and achievements at UT. The HC job at UT is still attractive.

 

[livefaith]

Diamond will not transfer because she will have to sit for another year.
Most likely she will play pro outside USA.

Can she really "sit another year" and then still play without losing more eligibility? I thought they had 5 years to play 4 as an outer limit, outside the rarely granted 6th yr due to injuries.

 

[livefaith]

I disagree with your post, Rudy123. You cannot compare the WCBB program under Pat Summitt with the men's basketball program or football. Pat is a WCBB legend and always will be. I believe that Gail Goestenkors would accept the LV head coaching position in a heartbeat if the position was offered to her. Holly cannot destroy Pat's legendary reputation and achievements at UT. The HC job at UT is still attractive.

I agree with this more than the "nobody wants us anymore" idea. UTLVBB has a national reputation that is much bigger than the past 5 years depression, and this years collapse. Secondly, smart HC prospects know that Holly had the impossible job of following the Legend. Now they can follow her, get a more fair shake expectation wise, and build a winner with a little more autonomy. In short, a lot of premier coaching prospects would jump at this opportunity.

 

[Amb3096]

Holly cannot destroy Pat's legendary reputation and achievements at UT. The HC job at UT is still attractive.

I believe she already has. Look at all the streaks that have come to an end "under her watch". A team with 7 McD AA is at risk to miss the NCAA tournament. The players are uninspired, the coach is a hot mess and throwing players under the bus, and no incoming recruits.

The House That Pat Built is being taken apart not brick by brick, but with a bulldozer.

 

[Batman33]

I believe she already has. Look at all the streaks that have come to an end "under her watch". A team with 7 McD AA is at risk to miss the NCAA tournament. The players are uninspired, the coach is a hot mess and throwing players under the bus, and no incoming recruits.

The House That Pat Built is being taken apart not brick by brick, but with a bulldozer.

Thus, Holly's new book title, " Lower the Roof"

 

[DonDiego]

The U.T. Athletic Department has not build up it's "war chest" like Hart wants us to have. So, to fire Holly and owe her a buy-out is not reasonable at this point. For Holly to volunteer to resign, means, (1) she is viewed as a quitter & (2) she is not owed any money from the Athletic Department. So, she will NOT resign.

She will stay another year and the program will fall further. Once that happens, she will be fired and we will have to find someone interested in coming here.

We look at U.T. as the "end all be all" of coaching jobs but outsiders don't see it that way.

When Bruce left, we literally had to hire the 20th person on our coaching list. No one was really interested. Eventhough Bruce had instilled a winning attitude in the program and within the fan base. Hell, we beat Florida, Oklahoma State, Kansas & Ohio State on national t.v. That is huge for the men's program, yet no one was interested in the job.

In football, Kiffin begged for the job and Hamilton was too lazy to do a search, so he hired him.
In football, Dooley was the 18th person on the list after Butch Davis, Lovie Smith, Jon Gruden, MusChamp and others were not interested.
Dooley gets fired and we end up hiring the 19th person on the list.

When Holly gets fired, I don't see a people running to Knoxville for the job. We will end up hiring someone's top assitant with no head coaching experience. From Notre Dame, UNC, Duke, UConn or SOuth Carolina. Top Assistants will not command as much money as a proven head coach. That is a plus for Hart.

The new coach will have growing pains and it will take years of recruiting to overcome the lack of recruiting from 2015, 2016 & 2017 that Holly did.

This is the more realistic scenerio.

UNLESS, Tyler takes his team far in the tourney and the A.D. is impressed and he takes the job. He may not take the job after his mom's long time assistant was fired.

1. Please show us your literal list showing Martin was number 20 on it after Bruce left.
2. Please show us your list showing that Dooley was number 18.
3. Please show us that hidden list you have access to showing that CBJ was number 19 on it.
4. How does a beaten down football program relate to a womens' basketball program with a historic reputation and a roster full of all americans?

I suspect if the job was offered to Tyler--probably a huge mistake at this point in his career unless DeMoss is coming with him long-term--he would burn up the interstate between podunk Louisiana and Knoxville to get there.

Sounds like a lot of made up hooey to me.

 

[RollerVol]

Wow there still one holly fan here. Thought they left or changed their opinions. You are correct that comments about her personal lifestyle and clothing are unnessary and tacky. She needs to be go, but unfortunately will not happen.

No, we haven't all gone away. Yes, there's more than one Holly fan. It seems I remember one poster that said there's five of us...

GO LADY VOLS AND HOLLY!

 

[Franklin Pierce]

Viva Lady Vols!
Viva Holly!

 

[PineyBluff Vol]

Our coach for post players has not changed. Russell was an overrated recruit whose only asset was height. She doesn't move without the ball; she can't catch the ball; and if she does manage to catch it, she can't shoot it without taking it to the floor and getting stripped by a 5' 2" player. She is only impressive when she rebounds and puts it back. In fact, we could improve our offense by having the backcourt throw up soft misses and letting Graves and Russell put 'em back.

If Russell leaves, she will be a bad player wherever she goes.

We don't have a post player coach. The last one we had went to Duke some years ago.

 

[jsc1973]

Even if Holly were fired (she will not be) what proven coach would want to come to UT after seeing how a former UT all-american player was treated after having one bad season?

One bad season that isn't even really that bad. There's another post on here about how they could be a 4 seed in the NCAA Tournament if they do well in the SECT.

I'm glad VN wasn't around during the 1996-97 regular season. Pat might have been tarred and feathered after the LV's lost in the SEC Tournament for daring to lose 10 games.

 

[Ladyvolfan4ever]

We don't have a post player coach. The last one we had went to Duke some years ago.

Wondering if Mr Brown would like to return to Knoxville?

 

[vettefool]

One bad season that isn't even really that bad. There's another post on here about how they could be a 4 seed in the NCAA Tournament if they do well in the SECT.

I'm glad VN wasn't around during the 1996-97 regular season. Pat might have been tarred and feathered after the LV's lost in the SEC Tournament for daring to lose 10 games.

Really? one good game against a middling opponent and holly is nominated to the hall of fame? Lord we deserve better.

 

[teacherdean]

That is the best case scenerio. What if Holly does NOT step down in March and the program endures another season of misery?

Hart and Holly should be fired. Holly will not step down, she will have to be fired. She seem to have issues coming to term that she is not what this teams needs to be a success. She is not the sharpest tool in the shed. Delusional people have issues realizing that they are awful at their job.

 

[Darth_Vol]

One bad season that isn't even really that bad.

Not that bad? Do you not realize they had to win their last game today just to be assured of making the tournament?

I'm glad VN wasn't around during the 1996-97 regular season. Pat might have been tarred and feathered after the LV's lost in the SEC Tournament for daring to lose 10 games.

Yes, and then she won a National Championship. When Holly does that, or even goes to a Final Four, then come back and we'll join you in singing her praises...

 

[LA Vol]

Might as well discuss staff changes/upgrades that can help compensate for some of Holly's weaknesses, because she has them and she will be back. I don't see any way Hart fires her this year.

 

[Sandvol]

One bad season that isn't even really that bad. There's another post on here about how they could be a 4 seed in the NCAA Tournament if they do well in the SECT.

I'm glad VN wasn't around during the 1996-97 regular season. Pat might have been tarred and feathered after the LV's lost in the SEC Tournament for daring to lose 10 games.

Pat had built up a little cred by then. OK so if Holly wins the NC this year then I'll change my mind. Fair enough?