possible POY candidates

#26
#26
MemphisCanes said:
You may be right, so we'll see where Martin's priorities lie. I see it this way: McBee garnered 25 minutes a game and nearly 160 3 point attempts last year for Martin by simple virtue of being able to hit a three point shot.

Barton is better at everything than McBee, and may take the majority of UTK's three point shots.

There's really know right or wrong answer here, we're just prognosticating.
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Good point on Mcbee. So he played 25mpg, and got up about 5 field goal attempts per game...I would see Barton as being similar to that. So if he holds true to his 40% that would be averaging 2/5 from 3 and 6 points right there. Being a PG I figure he may get some late game free throws, so 6-8ppg seems about right IMO.
 
#27
#27
bleedingTNorange said:
Good point on Mcbee. So he played 25mpg, and got up about 5 field goal attempts per game...I would see Barton as being similar to that. So if he holds true to his 40% that would be averaging 2/5 from 3 and 6 points right there. Being a PG I figure he may get some late game free throws, so 6-8ppg seems about right IMO.
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Yep, but Barton can take it to the rack much better than McBee, which I think is where the "difference" in scoring will manifest itself.
 
#28
#28
bleedingTNorange said:
Good point on Mcbee. So he played 25mpg, and got up about 5 field goal attempts per game...I would see Barton as being similar to that. So if he holds true to his 40% that would be averaging 2/5 from 3 and 6 points right there. Being a PG I figure he may get some late game free throws, so 6-8ppg seems about right IMO.
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I'm hoping McRae gets most of the late game ft. He will be the best ft shooter on the team. Plus, it will be a way to pad his ppg stat.
 
#30
#30
MemphisCanes said:
Yep, but Barton can take it to the rack much better than McBee, which I think is where the "difference" in scoring will manifest itself.
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So you think Barton is gonna average more FGA than Richardson did last year. I said I could see Barton attempting 5 threes a game like Mcbee, and you added his ability to get to the rack. Richardson averaged just over 6FGA a game last year, I see him being more of a scoring option than AB.

Jmo
 
#31
#31
bleedingTNorange said:
Very true, and valid points. Admittingly I didn't watch much of Memphis last year or previous years, but from what I've heard when he would play he was looking to score the ball. Going into this season with Tennessee he'll be asked to be more of a failitator than he probably ever was asked to be at Memphis.
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Do you really believe Josh Pastner and his staff knows the definition of a facilitator within the game of basketball?
 
#33
#33
IMO Richardson's APG will probably decrease. There "should" be better scoring options on the floor this year. But not significantly maybe from 6 apg to 4-5 apg. IMO Barton's apg should be close to Richardson's. I don't want to see Barton try to drive the ball and score. IMO he is not effective at scoring off the drive. He should always be trying to dish to the open man and getting himself in position for a spot up 3. When your FG% is lower than his 3 pt% for the last 2 years, that tells me he is not effective driving, but should be always looking for his 3 point shot.
 
#35
#35
johnnybravo said:
IMO Richardson's APG will probably decrease. There "should" be better scoring options on the floor this year. But not significantly maybe from 6 apg to 4-5 apg. IMO Barton's apg should be close to Richardson's. I don't want to see Barton try to drive the ball and score. IMO he is not effective at scoring off the drive. He should always be trying to dish to the open man and getting himself in position for a spot up 3. When your FG% is lower than his 3 pt% for the last 2 years, that tells me he is not effective driving, but should be always looking for his 3 point shot.
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Agree. With McRae, Maymon and Stokes out there those guys should be getting touches every time down and have every opportunity to score each possesion unless others are just wide open on a kick out.

Ready for bball season!
 
#38
#38
bleedingTNorange said:
Being a PG I figure he may get some late game free throws,
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Based on his percentages to date, it appeared FT shooting has been Barton's achilles heel. Unless Barton's somehow improved his FT's, CCM may be forced to take him off the floor late in close games.

You may want to lower your point prediction for Barton if its based on that criteria.
 
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#40
#40
walkenvol said:
2012 free throw percentages;

Barton .583
McBee .840
Golden .778
McRae .771
Stokes .567

Barton shoots ft's like a center.
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Well, we really don't know what kind of FT shooter Barton will be when playing 30+ min a game. Actually, that percentage may improve. He shot closer to 70% the 2011 / 12 season with more attempts. Only shooting 36 attempt last year is not a lot and one bad shooting night could have really squewed that average. I'm hoping that with significantly more attempt we will see a slightly better average than his 2011 average.

Just looked at his game logs and AB shot 1-5 against VCU and 1-4 against UAB. Take just those 2 bad ft shooting nights out and his average for every other game throughout the year is above 80%. IMO with more attempts throughout the year his average will increase and over come the 1 or 2 bad ft shooting nights.
 
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#41
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walkenvol said:
2012 free throw percentages;

Barton .583
McBee .840
Golden .778
McRae .771
Stokes .567

Barton shoots ft's like a center.
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Antonio shot a total of 36 free throws last season, so last season isn't the best sample size.

He shot 68% his freshman year and 69% last year from the line. He's not a bad FT shooter.

EDIT: What JB said.
 
#42
#42
MemphisCanes said:
He shot 68% his freshman year and 69% last year from the line. He's not a bad FT shooter.

EDIT: What JB said.
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I hope your both correct and AB proves to be an adequate FT shooter, not on Stokes' level.

60 something percent for a point guard when the game is on the line isn't a number to brag about. Its nice to have the ball in the hands of a good ft shooter like McBee, Lofton, and Golden at the end of a close game. McBee was money at the line late in a game.
 
#43
#43
walkenvol said:
I hope your both correct and AB proves to be an adequate FT shooter, not on Stokes' level.

60 something percent for a point guard when the game is on the line isn't a number to brag about. Its nice to have the ball in the hands of a good ft shooter like McBee, Lofton, and Golden at the end of a close game. McBee was money at the line late in a game.
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McBee averaged less than a ft a game every year he was here. He wasn't the guard that usually had the ball in his hands at the end of the game.
 
#44
#44
johnnybravo said:
McBee averaged less than a ft a game every year he was here. He wasn't the guard that usually had the ball in his hands at the end of the game.
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McBee had several games where he was clutch for us. Uconn last year sticks out. Their were a lot of games, Golden first option McBee second.

Check that, year before last Uconn was ranked 13th.

Edit: Clutch at the free throw line. good grief!!!
 
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#45
#45
walkenvol said:
Based on his percentages to date, it appeared FT shooting has been Barton's achilles heel. Unless Barton's somehow improved his FT's, CCM may be forced to take him off the floor late in close games.

You may want to lower your point prediction for Barton if its based on that criteria.
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If you read back a few pages it wasn't, I originally said 6ppg. Also, I expect him to be shooting in the 70+ range from the line this year.
 
#46
#46
GoobieVol said:
McBee had several games where he was clutch for us. Uconn last year sticks out. Their were a lot of games, Golden first option McBee second.

Check that, year before last Uconn was ranked 13th.
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It takes a certain mentality to want to be "the guy" at the line during the last couple minutes of the game. At 25 attempts on the year, McBee was not ever the second option.
 
#47
#47
johnnybravo said:
It takes a certain mentality to want to be "the guy" at the line during the last couple minutes of the game. At 25 attempts on the year, McBee was not ever the second option.
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He was the second or third best free throw shooter we had. So yeah, when Golden flaked it wa McRae then McBee. Pretty sure CCM said so on many occasions.

If McBee didnt have the attempts you need to see to call him a go to at the end of games, its because he didnt have the footspeed to get open to get the ball. Not becase he wasnt one of our primary options.
 
#48
#48
GoobieVol said:
He was the second or third best free throw shooter we had. So yeah, when Golden flaked it wa McRae then McBee. Pretty sure CCM said so on many occasions.

If McBee didnt have the attempts you need to see to call him a go to at the end of games, its because he didnt have the footspeed to get open to get the ball. Not becase he wasnt one of our primary options.
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Not having the footspeed can make not an option. If you are so called the best shooter on the team but have the least amount of attempts out of your starting lineup, then you are not the option the coach wants. 25 attempts in 31 games. Yemi had just about as many attempts. Sure CCM might want him at the line, but if he can't shed his defender then he's not an option.
 
#49
#49
johnnybravo said:
Not having the footspeed can make not an option. If you are so called the best shooter on the team but have the least amount of attempts out of your starting lineup, then you are not the option the coach wants. 25 attempts in 31 games. Yemi had just about as many attempts. Sure CCM might want him at the line, but if he can't shed his defender then he's not an option.
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1. You said best shooter on the team. Nobody else...
2. I'm sure CCM didnt want to need McBee at the end of games, but he did do to lack of options. Im done.
 
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