Possible Replacement For Serrano?

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UT has very good baseball facilities. The stadium is not as big as some in the conference but the lockerroom. film room, batting and pitching cages, weight room, etc are as good or better than most in the SEC. If they win, there is no question they will get great fan support. I agree with many on this board that pitching it the problem. UT should be able to recruit and develop pitching. You are seeing more high school pitchers (with support of some of the top agents) going to college to the top programs with the idea that they get 3 years to develop without the pressure for pro ball and gaining some maturity. High 1st rounder is going to sign, but late 1st rounders and others are waiting. Look at the top programs and see where their pitchers are getting drafted compared to UT. Kyle Serrano has the talent to be high draft pick, but he has never been a dominant SEC pitcher. I think the small ball experiment was a failure and cost them a couple regional appearances the last several years. (Especially when you see how some of the guys that left are hitting in the minors). With that said, I still think this team is close, I would give CDS another year and see if the pitching recruits and the new offense style can make a difference. I do think they should make NCAA tournament 8 out of 10 years. If Arkansas can do it, so can we.
 
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buvol said:
UT has very good baseball facilities. The stadium is not as big as some in the conference but the lockerroom. film room, batting and pitching cages, weight room, etc are as good or better than most in the SEC. If they win, there is no question they will get great fan support. I agree with many on this board that pitching it the problem. UT should be able to recruit and develop pitching. You are seeing more high school pitchers (with support of some of the top agents) going to college to the top programs with the idea that they get 3 years to develop without the pressure for pro ball and gaining some maturity. High 1st rounder is going to sign, but late 1st rounders and others are waiting. Look at the top programs and see where their pitchers are getting drafted compared to UT. Kyle Serrano has the talent to be high draft pick, but he has never been a dominant SEC pitcher. I think the small ball experiment was a failure and cost them a couple regional appearances the last several years. (Especially when you see how some of the guys that left are hitting in the minors). With that said, I still think this team is close, I would give CDS another year and see if the pitching recruits and the new offense style can make a difference. I do think they should make NCAA tournament 8 out of 10 years. If Arkansas can do it, so can we.
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I agree with you on this. I have looked more into the arms they have coming in next year and everyone I talk with tell me it is a really strong pitching staff. I mentioned earlier that a pro scout I spoke with said that the class next year (providing they all stay) is so loaded that he can see only Z. Warren still having a key role next year. If they do get rid of CDS somebody will be walking into a pretty good situation based on what I have seen and heard about this class. Hopefully CDS will get another year.
 
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zachpack said:
I agree with you on this. I have looked more into the arms they have coming in next year and everyone I talk with tell me it is a really strong pitching staff. I mentioned earlier that a pro scout I spoke with said that the class next year (providing they all stay) is so loaded that he can see only Z. Warren still having a key role next year. If they do get rid of CDS somebody will be walking into a pretty good situation based on what I have seen and heard about this class. Hopefully CDS will get another year.
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The AD needs to make a decision on retaining the coach long before we know which of those prep pitchers go pro. The two big arms at the top of our recruit list are likely to have attractive options.
 
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So apparently on Vq ash lawson is getting talked up by a number of posters as a replacement. I don't see it but for anyone over there has hubbs commented on him?
 
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BruinVol said:
So apparently on Vq ash lawson is getting talked up by a number of posters as a replacement. I don't see it but for anyone over there has hubbs commented on him?
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I haven't seen Hubbs mention anyone yet.
 
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I think CDS will be here through at least next year. Kyle hopefully will be back and better and if we can hold on to most of the incoming class we will be improved. I don't think we can catch Vandy because of the financial aid advantage they have on everyone in the SEC, especially for instate talent. I though and still hope CDS would right Raleigh's sinking ship .
 
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I'm not really sure getting rid of Serrano this season is the right move.

I think it would be putting the new coach behind the 8 ball.
 
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99gator said:
I'm not really sure getting rid of Serrano this season is the right move.

I think it would be putting the new coach behind the 8 ball.
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Can't believe I'm agreeing with a gator. I would like to keep Serrano.
 
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99gator said:
I'm not really sure getting rid of Serrano this season is the right move.

I think it would be putting the new coach behind the 8 ball.
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Shocker our SEC Rivals wants CDS to stay. Look I like Serrano and I think hes a good baseball coach but hes in way over his head in the SEC. He tried to bring his west coast small ball mentality and that doesn't work here you have to have great pitching backed by power hitting. Im not so sure he can change his mentality.
 
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Volsfaninva917 said:
Shocker our SEC Rivals wants CDS to stay. Look I like Serrano and I think hes a good baseball coach but hes in way over his head in the SEC. He tried to bring his west coast small ball mentality and that doesn't work here you have to have great pitching backed by power hitting. Im not so sure he can change his mentality.
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Do you really think i am worried about the consequences of a move on the Florida program?
 
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Volsfaninva917 said:
Shocker our SEC Rivals wants CDS to stay. Look I like Serrano and I think hes a good baseball coach but hes in way over his head in the SEC. He tried to bring his west coast small ball mentality and that doesn't work here you have to have great pitching backed by power hitting. Im not so sure he can change his mentality.
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I think he has prove this year he has changed his mentality. They aren't playing west coast small ball this year and it sounds like they are bringing in more power arms next year. I just wish this would've happened 3 years ago. If that were the case I don't think we would be having this discussion.
 
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I think Serrano should get another year unless the team really collapses this year. They need to win some sec series this year. They can score runs and just need the pitchers to keep them in the games. They must make the sec tournament and I would think they need to be close to making a regional. You have to understand they will probably loose Senzel and Rodgers to the draft, possibly Serrano. They have several key seniors. However, the best programs have this happen every year and they still compete. Need to develop younger players and recruit. I think if they can start learning how to win some of these close games they can make a solid run this year and keep up recruiting momentum.
 
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GuRu said:
I think he has prove this year he has changed his mentality. They aren't playing west coast small ball this year and it sounds like they are bringing in more power arms next year. I just wish this would've happened 3 years ago. If that were the case I don't think we would be having this discussion.
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Changing the philosophy yes but has the mentality of being an SEC dormant set in is the question.

If 3 weeks from now this team hasn't 5 or 6 more SEC games I think the answer to that question will tell us that mentality can't change under this HC.

3 weeks to turn in around IMO
 
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BruinVol said:
Changing the philosophy yes but has the mentality of being an SEC dormant set in is the question.

If 3 weeks from now this team hasn't 5 or 6 more SEC games I think the answer to that question will tell us that mentality can't change under this HC.

3 weeks to turn in around IMO
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I've heard absolutely nothing from Serrano that would lead me to believe that he is the least bit satisfied with our position in the standings.
 
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txbo said:
I've heard absolutely nothing from Serrano that would lead me to believe that he is the least bit satisfied with our position in the standings.
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Neither have I. Not sure what that has to do with the post you quoted
 
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There is no question that Serrano is a very competitive person. He is not satisfied with the team's performance. I think his goal has been college world series. Unfortunately he has not gotten the results. I still think he has the drive and ability to turn it around. However, his time is running out.
 
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BruinVol said:
Neither have I. Not sure what that has to do with the post you quoted
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This sounds like you are suggesting just that:

"Changing the philosophy yes but has the mentality of being an SEC dormant set in is the question."


Maybe I misunderstood your point.
 
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txbo said:
This sounds like you are suggesting just that:

"Changing the philosophy yes but has the mentality of being an SEC dormant set in is the question."


Maybe I misunderstood your point.
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Yes you misunderstood perhaps It was poorly stated. My apologies


The mentality I was speaking about was being used to describe the state of the program. Sometimes a struggling program or business just need new leadership to change the mindset and there is nothing that leader can really do because the damage is already done no matter what changes they might make in philosophies
 
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BruinVol said:
Yes you misunderstood perhaps It was poorly stated. My apologies


The mentality I was speaking about was being used to describe the state of the program. Sometimes a struggling program or business just need new leadership to change the mindset and there is nothing that leader can really do because the damage is already done no matter what changes they might make in philosophies
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OK Gotcha.

Conversely, I would tell you that too many times businesses and schools fire leaders when the problem lies somewhere else in the asset they were responsible for managing. Many times I've seen that decision weaken the asset further.

When the only time an asset performs well over a 20 year period is with a suspect leader that doesn't share your culture or ethics, you have to analyse other aspects than just the leader.
 
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txbo said:
OK Gotcha.

Conversely, I would tell you that too many times businesses and schools fire leaders when the problem lies somewhere else in the asset they were responsible for managing. Many times I've seen that decision weaken the asset further.

When the only time an asset performs well over a 20 year period is with a suspect leader that doesn't share your culture or ethics, you have to analyse other aspects than just the leader.
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You make a good point for sure and not sure I disagree at all. I just see not making a change(assuming this team doesn't turn it around) as not caring or trying by the AD. Jmo
 
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BruinVol said:
You make a good point for sure and not sure I disagree at all. I just see not making a change(assuming this team doesn't turn it around) as not caring or trying by the AD. Jmo
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I'd like the AD to come out with a plan (or change) to the program to improve the competitiveness of the program but it doesn't have to be a coaching change. We've done that many times since 1951 and it doesn't seem to be getting us anywhere.

We've had 9 coaches since 1951 and Delmonico is the only one that could get us to a conference championship or a trip to the NCAA tourney. I don't know much about his departure but I have heard he didn't share the culture and ethics of the university. I'd like the AD to analyse that. Why? What stopped the other 8 from having any success?

I think it's also important to note that our first trip to the CWS was with Serrano as our pitching coach. He also went on to to have similar success as a head coach elsewhere. What's stopping him now? What's stopping him here?
 
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I think it's fair to say that CDS realized the offensive philosophy they employed was not going to work and he hired Slim and Aric is calling the shots and there's no way to say that making that move wasn't in the best interest of the program.

However, there is also a pitching philosophy and it is one where CDS says something like he is not a strike out coach. He's said something like that a couple of times in recent interviews. When one looks at the standings, all of the teams at the top have 300+ strike outs, UF leads with 369...we're last at 237.

If that philosophy is employed, that means you're going to allow hits, thus the defense has to be stellar. Only Missouri (332) has given up more hits than us (308) while our fielding percentage is .968, below the league average of .971. These guys are getting more double plays than we have in the past so it does at least look like it's s'pose to look, but...Only UGA has walked more batters than us.

That's a bad combination...walk the second most batters, allow the second most hits and be an average, to below average defense.

Obviously, Kyle would have gotten us more K's, so would Westphal and Warren has 43 which isn't top 15 in the league, but close. Still...

Just putting it out there.


GBO!!!
 
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