VolinWayne
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The Trump echo chamber is much more than merely gullible and pathetic. You should each seek therapy .... while looking for some semblance of a life.
I did vote for those people ... but here is the difference :You do know that you are p*issing into the fan when you freely admit to voting for Obama , Hillary , Apple sauce Joe and then try to convince others they are in some kind of cult .. right ? You have to be at least that self aware as an adult .. right ?
So you never claimed Trump won bc of Russian interference? You never claimed he was compromised bc of the steel dossier?I did vote for those people ... but here is the difference :
I do not believe that Hillary Clinton was cheated out of the 2016 Presidential Election. Even though her margin of defeat in the Electoral College was the same as Trump's in 2020, I believe that she lost a free and fair election. She has speculated that a Russian disinformation campaign was at least partially responsible for her defeat in 2016. I think that is hogwash, and I can say so. I can also be very critical of Biden, and I have been. He has no business being the President of the United States. He is a terrible leader.
The Republican echo chamber on this forum has a bizarre need to pacify Donald Trump's egotistical need to believe that he was cheated out of the 2020 Presidential Election, when the evidence does not support his argument at all. This bizarre need is cultish in nature.
I'm not accusing anyone of being in a cult for merely voting for Trump. I'm calling the echo chamber in here a cult because of their collective need to support and defend Trump's egotistical lies. You should be self-aware enough to see how this behavior is cultish. It has been 3 years. It has moved beyond being simply ridiculous.
No, I never said that Trump won because of either Russian disinformation or because of the Steele dossier. He won a fair election.So you never claimed Trump won bc of Russian interference? You never claimed he was compromised bc of the steel dossier?
No, I never said that Trump won because of either Russian disinformation or because of the Steele dossier. He won a fair election.
I have been critical of the Steele dossier and of the Hillary Clinton campaign for helping to fund it. Whenever I have discussed the Mueller probe, it is usually in reference to the June 9, 2016 meeting at Trump Tower, which did take place.
That is a lie.You’re full of sh!t, BB. You made all kinds of wild claims. From Trump being Putin’s puppet, to Trump planning on gifting Putin a $50M condo, to Trump being guilty of collusion. You’re trying to rewrite history.
That is a lie.
I have consistently repeated what Mueller said ... collusion is not a criminal term. Mueller's investigation centered on whether or not criminal conspiracy could be proven, and Mueller concluded that it couldn't.
When it comes to the Mueller probe, my focus has always been on the June 9, 2016 meeting at Trump Tower, and even that was due to lies that Trump and Trump Jr told concerning the purpose behind the meeting and who was in attendance.
However, even as far as the June 9, 2016 meeting is concerned, I have never attributed that to Trump's 2016 victory. Trump won because Hillary Clinton was a uniquely weak candidate who never inspired the Democratic Party base.
You are lying.
Wow. You completed ignored the facts presented in a court on how a voting machine was easily comprised just to make a personal attack on Lou Dobbs that proved nothing..Lou Dobbs. There is an objective host for you. No agenda there at all. He only claimed that Dominion had been founded by Hugo Chavez.
Where did I blame any of that on Hillary Clinton's defeat? Once again, my primary focus has always been on the June 9, 2016 meeting. You dodged my whole point .... I have never blamed Russian disinformation on Hillary Clinton losing the 2016 election. To say otherwise is lying.Hmmm…interesting.
Collusion: “There is ample evidence of collusion now.” - BowlBrother
TrumPutinGate
No proof anything like that happened related to Trump. If it's related to the 2016 Trump campaign - it's related to Trump. There is ample evidence of collusion now.www.volnation.com
Penthouse: “This comes from Buzzfeed, so some will attack the source but... it's being reported that a $50 million penthouse in the proposed Trump Tower Moscow was going to be given to Vladimir Putin. Hmmm.” - BowlBrother
TrumPutinGate
We’ve come full circle to my bitch fest about Clinton getting off easy devaluing the significance of lying during a federal investigation. Plead the fifth or tell the truth. It’s not rocket science. This is true and now we have to determine what is acceptable from a president and what should...www.volnation.com
Putin’s Puppet: “We care about not having a President who serves as a puppet for Vladimir Putin.” - BowlBrother
Russia bounty on US troops
Shawn Henry did give sworn testimony that he believes that Russia hacked the DNC. See post #748 of this thread. It's just two posts above this one. Why did Shawn Henry say this in sworn testimony? "There are times when we can see data exfiltrated, and we can say conclusively. But in this case...www.volnation.com
As I said, you want to rewrite your history. I could go all night finding deranged accusations from you. You have thousands of posts with regard to Trump and Russia.
You completely ignore the fact that it has been acknowledged that there is no evidence that any votes were changed or that fraud occurred as a result during any election .... and the fact that there are compensating controls in place tp prevent such activity from ever occurring. No system is ever going to tamper proof .... including paper ballots.Wow. You completed ignored the facts presented in a court on how a voting machine was easily comprised just to make a personal attack on Lou Dobbs that proved nothing..
You ignore there is no evidence that proves all the votes cast in GA were legitimate votes, that no votes were changed or no fraud occurred.You completely ignore the fact that it has been acknowledged that there is no evidence that any votes were changed or that fraud occurred as a result during any election .... and the fact that there are compensating controls in place tp prevent such activity from ever occurring. No system is ever going to tamper proof .... including paper ballots.
LOL. You are asking for a negative to be proven. That shows just how vacuous your claims truly are.You ignore there is no evidence that proves all the votes cast in GA were legitimate votes, that no votes were changed or no fraud occurred.
Where's your evidence no fraud occurred?
This is not a case of proving a negative. You assume all 81 million votes Biden got were legitimate with no proof so it's up to you to prove your own affirmation they were all legitimate. Other than Arizona there were no audits done, no forensic testing of computers in states where the vote difference was so small it would not take much fraud to flip the election. Check out the fraud thread on this forum and see there is legitimate reasons that fraud took place.LOL. You are asking for a negative to be proven. That shows just how vacuous your claims truly are.
The burden of proof rests with the party who is making the allegation of wrongdoing. You are trying to shift this responsibility, because there is no proof in support of Trump's claims. All of his claims have been de-bunked.
How about this?
Put forth a specific allegation of fraud/cheating from a specific jurisdiction involving the 2020 Presidential Election .... and I will de-bunk it with links to multiple sources. I have been doing this for 3 damn years now. I promise you, especially if it concerns Fulton County, Georgia and Ruby Freeman/Shaye Moss, I have seen them all and already de-bunked them all. I'm betting that you don't have the guts to do it. I will make you look like an a$$.
The part which I placed in bold is an outright lie.This is not a case of proving a negative. You assume all 81 million votes Biden got were legitimate with no proof so it's up to you to prove your own affirmation they were all legitimate. Other than Arizona there were no audits done, no forensic testing of computers in states where the vote difference was so small it would not take much fraud to flip the election. Check out the fraud thread on this forum and see there is legitimate reasons that fraud took place.
You are ASSUMING all 81 millions votes were legitimate with no proof. Prove right now they were all legitimate.The part which I placed in bold is an outright lie.
In order to reverse the outcome from Biden to Trump, the outcome of at least 3 states would need to be changed from Biden to Trump.
Even if you concede both of the two most heavily contested states to Trump (Georgia and Arizona), Trump would still be short of the 270 electoral college vote threshold needed to win the election. Another state would need to be flipped. However ....
Biden won Wisconsin by 20,000 votes.
Biden won Nevada by 38,000 votes.
Biden won Pennsylvania by 80,000 votes.
Biden won Michigan by 140,000 votes.
It is exactly a case of proving a negative. Once again, the burden of proof rests with the party who is making an allegation of illegality. I don't believe that systemic fraud occurred, and you do. Therefore, the burden of proof rests with you.
However, I am willing to forgo that .....
Now, put forth a specific allegation of fraud, and/or cheating from the 2020 Presidential Election with a specific jurisdiction included, and I will thoroughly de-bunk your allegation with multiple sources, including those from local news affiliates from the specific jurisdiction from which the alleged fraud/cheating occurred. I don't believe that you will ever have the guts to do this, because you know damn well that I'm right.
I've been doing this for 3 years now, and I would immediately put any of your allegations to shame. You are a pathetic Cult of Trump sheep, who feels the need to support and defend the ego of a pathological lying narcissist named Donald Trump.
I will say it again, there is not a scenario, or a set of conditions or circumstances, in which Donald Trump would ever admit that he lost a fair election. Donald Trump will always attribute any election defeat to either some form of fraud, or to his opponent having cheated. Trump even signals his intention to blame fraud ahead of every election. He will always say, "The only way I will lose this election, is if it is rigged." That is Trump's way of planting the seeds for an excuse, in the event that he loses. His cult is never skeptical of him.