Poverty in America?

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#51
nbakerld said:
A few people's heads may esplode.



What Is "Poor" In America? - Greg Hengler
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This whole tread is an epic FAIL.
Don't know where these stats came from but it's obvious that they are bogus. A little common sense here please!

The vast majority of those living in poverty do not own the place in which they dwell. They rent. The landlord owns the fridge, and often the AC. I could easily rip the rest of the article, but I find it useless. If anyone still wants to buy into that garbage, nothing I could say would convince you.
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#52
#52
Dr Dread said:
This whole tread is an epic FAIL.
Don't know where these stats came from but it's obvious that they are bogus. A little common sense here please!

The vast majority of those living in poverty do not own the place in which they dwell. They rent. The landlord owns the fridge, and often the AC. I could easily rip the rest of the article, but I find it useless. If anyone still wants to buy into that garbage, nothing I could say would convince you.
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This is your criticism? If that is all you got, then you are conceding that for all intents and purposes they have shelter, food preservation, and air conditioning. This still makes me think they are not actually impoverished (or, not enough that I really need to worry about them).

I want to see the survey and the sample technique; however, if it turns out they rent a place that has a fridge, I am not going to call the survey/article bogus because it might imply that they own a fridge.
 
#53
#53
IBlvNTmWrk said:
Sorry but I'm a little confused (not the first time)... but aren't most of the above currently fully or largely controlled by the states at present?
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Yeah, I didn't mean that all those things are a result of federal policy, it's just a list of things I'd look for. I believe that states are not allowed to ban unions, though.
 
#55
#55
At the very least their wording is terrible. They should have said "have access to" instead of owning. But honestly true poverty is almost non existent here in America. Sure we have some poor ass people here no doubt, but honestly even the worst government projects are better than the slums in India/Asia by an exponential amount. If you dispute that, I want to see places here in a America where they crap mere feet from where they drink/bathe etc. Where they are climbing mountains of trash and refuse to get anywhere, and where there are entire blocks of shanties pieced together to get out of the Rain.

I'm not disputing there aren't people that are relatively poor to the rest of us, and that I don't have a heart to help them, but whenever these discussions pop up, I always want to scream that a sense of global context is direly needed.
 
#56
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tvolsfan said:
It's like something I saw on the news today about a family whose air conditioning wasn't working due to some outage and they had to suffer through a few nights with 80 degree heat. My mom who grew up in Mumbai found it amazing that story was newsworthy.
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I never had AC while growing up. Our house was heated with a wood stove... on the other end of the house. Even just a few years ago... we were considered middle class.
 
#57
#57
milohimself said:
yeah. the progressive movement was the first to infringe heavily on states rights.
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No. It was the crystalization of a movement that was completely hostile to the whole federalist ideal. Lincoln was certainly willing to see 500K Americans die over states' rights.... but I think even he saw a place for the concept. Just not something as overarching as slavery.

The Progressive Era has been bad for individual rights and liberties any way you want to cut it- especially economic rights.
 
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#58
nbakerld said:
Yeah, I didn't mean that all those things are a result of federal policy, it's just a list of things I'd look for. I believe that states are not allowed to ban unions, though.
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No. A state can be "right to work" which means an employee does not have to respect or belong to unions and employers can say "No" to unions by hiring replacements for those who try to unionize against the company's will.
 
#59
#59
I think poverty is skewed in this country by a relatively high standard of living and wealth stratification.
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#62
#62
Last night my wife was watching the Kardashians. To give the younger girls some "perspective" Bruce Jenner took them to a homeless shelter and they met this young girl who showed them her room. They had 3 beds in their cramped room and also had what must've been at least 60" of state of the art, high def, flat panel television. I felt bad for them and LMAO'd at the same time.
 
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#63
sjt18 said:
No. A state can be "right to work" which means an employee does not have to respect or belong to unions and employers can say "No" to unions by hiring replacements for those who try to unionize against the company's will.
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But state governments can't ban collective bargaining with regard to state employees...right? They can't ban collective bargaining period, right? That's what I mean.
 
#64
#64
IPorange said:
How can they really be living in poverty when they have a SWIMMING POOL?

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Lol. Me and my sister used to do the exact same thing when we were kids. Seems gross now, but it was fun at the time.
 
#65
#65
nbakerld said:
But state governments can't ban collective bargaining with regard to state employees...right? They can't ban collective bargaining period, right? That's what I mean.
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I don't think they can ban it outright but they can negate it by allowing companies to choose not to participate.
 
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#66
sjt18 said:
I don't think they can ban it outright but they can negate it by allowing companies to choose not to participate.
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Well that doesn't totally negate it, but it's a start. It also does nothing about public sector employees whose leaching off the taxpayer is mostly what I am concerned about.
 
#67
#67
nbakerld said:
Well that doesn't totally negate it, but it's a start. It also does nothing about public sector employees whose leaching off the taxpayer is mostly what I am concerned about.
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If MO has any concern for public sector unions, I haven't noticed it through several rounds of budget cutting, hiring freezes, and wage limitations.
 
#68
#68
I would agree that it is a major problem in other places though. I know it is in Illinois and Washington. It is definitely a growing problem with the Federal gov't. A good place to start cutting the federal budget would be to lay off the additional head count Obama brought in after taking office. In one swoop, he pretty much negated Clinton/Gore's "reinventing gov't" efficiency initiatives.
 
#69
#69
sjt18 said:
I would agree that it is a major problem in other places though. I know it is in Illinois and Washington. It is definitely a growing problem with the Federal gov't. A good place to start cutting the federal budget would be to lay off the additional head count Obama brought in after taking office. In one swoop, he pretty much negated Clinton/Gore's "reinventing gov't" efficiency initiatives.
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Oh that is a huge problem. I remember someone posted a video of a hearing with Eric Holder about his refusal to investigate the blank panther incident. And what blew me away, is it seemed no one noticed that it was all about him requesting something pretty small percentage-wise in head count increase (something along the lines of 20%) in the civil rights division and it was 800 people... really you need 4000 people (80 per state) for civil rights? (Numbers could be off but it was still an insane number in my books)
 
#70
#70
volinbham said:
everyone knows that being poor sucks - no denying it. It's just the persistent mantra that more $ from the government in transfer payments as the solution that drives me bonkers.
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Agree with this. In fact, continually extending benefits does nothing to motivate any of my friends to seek any job that doesn't pay at least $15/hour. That is their cut line, they get that amount in assistance.
 
#71
#71
BeecherVol said:
Congrats.:hi:

What are you walking away with?
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Bachelors with a double major, Communication Studies and Political Science. I honestly don't think I am done by a long shot though. i think I going to take a year and decide the next step, probably travel a bit and apply for jobs while researching grad programs and continuing to sling liquor in the meantime.
 
#72
#72
nbakerld said:
A few people's heads may esplode.



What Is "Poor" In America? - Greg Hengler
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Yep, Sounds like Capitalism is a major failure.
I wonder how socialist Europe that libs love , many found here on this board, would compare?
Don't be too hard on them though, cause all of us have been fed these anti-capitilistic lies by the likes of the politicians, media/,lib college professors, celebrities, etc...
 
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