Poythress Recruitment A Huge Opportunity For Coach Martin.

#78
#78
BasketvolsFan said:
Do we really want an AD who thinks our newly hired basketball coach can't recruit and runs the basketball program like a mid-major program? Perfect marriage, don't you think?
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Do we really want an AD who thinks our newly hired basketball coach is awesome just because he's OUR newly hired basketball coach?
 
#79
#79
VKAman said:
Do we really want an AD who thinks our newly hired basketball coach is awesome just because he's OUR newly hired basketball coach?
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You obviously missed the point. We don't know how good Martin will be. However, he probably deserves to coach at least a few games prior to the new AD making a decision that he can't recruit and runs a mid-major program. Giving him a chance before deciding he is no good is quite different from thinking he is awesome.
 
#80
#80
Also, it's difficult to say that he recruits like a mid-major program. I'll save judgement after he gets a full-year recruiting cycle at UT under his belt. I knew there would be apprehension and skepticism, but the guy is a winner. Give him a damn chance.
 
#81
#81
I agree. The kids he is recruiting for next year are a group of elite players. We don't know if he can actually pull them in, but his recruiting efforts appear to be nothing like a mid-major program. We also have the issue of possible lost scholarships due to the NCAA mess. Saying he is not capable of recruiting and runs the program like a mid-major program at this point disqualifies anyone who is seeking the AD job.
 
#82
#82
BasketvolsFan said:
You obviously missed the point. We don't know how good Martin will be. However, he probably deserves to coach at least a few games prior to the new AD making a decision that he can't recruit and runs a mid-major program. Giving him a chance before deciding he is no good is quite different from thinking he is awesome.
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Uh, yeah. No AD is going to come in and fire him immediately.

But while we're waiting, we go by what we see, and based on what we've seen so far I don't see how you can blame someone for having questions about his recruiting.
 
#83
#83
VKAman said:
Uh, yeah. No AD is going to come in and fire him immediately.

But while we're waiting, we go by what we see, and based on what we've seen so far I don't see how you can blame someone for having questions about his recruiting.
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I see no way to question his recruiting for this year. He came in the position very late for recruiting for this year. Elite prospects were not available. We can better judge his recruiting next year. If he brings in the same caliber of recruits for next year, questioning his recruiting would be appropriate.
 
#84
#84
If you are trying to base how he is going to recruit off of this year, then you really don't know anything about recruiting. When Martin got hired in, it's not like he had all of those 4 and 5* guys to go after.
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#85
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BasketvolsFan said:
I see no way to question his recruiting for this year. He came in the position very late for recruiting for this year. Elite prospects were not available. We can better judge his recruiting next year. If he brings in the same caliber of recruits for next year, questioning his recruiting would be appropriate.
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People can question it whenever the hell they want. Until he actually gets an elite prospect, it's questionable whether he can do it. Most any AD we hire is going to think like that instead of just assuming we'll be fine. It's nothing more than a thought. If and when he starts getting elite players, those people will obviously change their minds.
 
#87
#87
we waited years for an elite prospect to come to UT and now Martin is getting beat up for it without ever coaching a game :disappointed:
 
#88
#88
It's like Dooley. He came in so late that there weren't really top players available, so no one knows whether he can get them. Let me repeat that: no one knows. That means there's a QUESTION as to whether he can do it, unless you're just assuming he can (based on nothing).
 
#89
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VKAman said:
People can question it whenever the hell they want. Until he actually gets an elite prospect, it's questionable whether he can do it. Most any AD we hire is going to think like that instead of just assuming we'll be fine. It's nothing more than a thought. If and when he starts getting elite players, those people will obviously change their minds.
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I don't think any reasonable AD will think that with no basis for thinking so. If he is unable to recruit top level talent in the next two recruiting seasons, then there will be reason for alarm. People who are questioning it now are simply trying to be negative about the new hire and are probably Pearl worshipers.
 
#90
#90
VKAman said:
It's like Dooley. He came in so late that there weren't really top players available, so no one knows whether he can get them. Let me repeat that: no one knows. That means there's a QUESTION as to whether he can do it, unless you're just assuming he can (based on nothing).
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Obviously. The problem that I see by this potential candidate is the assumption that he can't. There obviously is a question as to whether he'll be able to pull high quality players. But, he deserves a chance without a presumption of failure.
 
#91
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LawVol13 said:
Obviously. The problem that I see by this potential candidate is the assumption that he can't. There obviously is a question as to whether he'll be able to pull high quality players. But, he deserves a chance without a presumption of failure.
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The comment that UT is run like an MVC program is overboard and premature. But I don't really have a problem with a guy saying he doesn't think Martin will be able to land high quality players. It's an opinion, just like when people on here say, for example, Chris Mooney or Brian Gregory would have trouble recruiting here. But once the guy is actually hired here, it's blasphemy.
 
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#92
#92
IMHO, I don't see how anyone could come close to effective speculation at this point. The guy certainly has every right to guess, but I'm more concerned with validity of the timing. Seems null to me at this point. Jmo jmo.
 
#93
#93
VK- So that also means you shouldn't have a problem with people saying that he may be able to land elite players, right
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#94
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VKAman said:
But once the guy is actually hired here, it's blasphemy.
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I certainly don't think the casual fan's negative opinion of Martin is blasphemy. I just think he deserves a chance from the administration without a presumption that he is going to fail prior to coaching a game or having a full year to recruit.
 
#95
#95
JZVOL said:
I spoke to a person a few days ago that is a candidate for the AD position. Said the feeling by him and some is the Martin will not be able to get big-time recruits and Martin feels he has the ability to recruit lesser talent, coach them up and win. This person said he felt like UT isn't being run like a major program, but like a Missouri Valley program. Martin is most likely a disciplined, clean cut type that will get UT through the NCAA issues.

This person said there is no way Fulmer will be AD as most over there don't want to deal with his wife and she is the one who really runs things.

There are 17 associate AD's on men's side and nine on women's side and it's a total mess in the AD office... Florida for example has 13 total.
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That's amazing.
 
#98
#98
germanicus said:
Same thing happened in the Buzz/Bruce transition - two great years of in-state prospects lost - except for Chism - during a coaching change.
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Buzz who? LOL I can't believe you brought that bums name up. Lets hope 3 years from now we aren't making the same jokes about Martin "I'm the man" Wazzzuppp
 
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