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Draya could help her team better by lugging a basketball around and learning to shoot it.

Look, if this helps the team that's great, but I've been watching basketball for over 50 years (yeah I'm that old) and the teams that win the most are the teams that have the best players, have the fewest injuries, and execute the best on the court. At this point of the season Holly can't do anything about the first two, but she can the 3rd.
 
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I applaud the coaches on this this.
They had a purpose and a reason for this.
To me, this shows a focus on the coaching staff at trying to address something.
This wasn't about getting a player to be strong in 2 days.

None of you are around these girls or in the locker room. Nobody can speak to what happens outside the court. Our coaches are trying to implement family and togetherness. That can go a long way in life.

Most past players not only talk about the winnings of Tennessee but also the experience they received as a Lady Vol. While we as fans seem to be about the winnings, these girls are here for a lot more, things we as fans have no part in.
 
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Draya could help her team better by lugging a basketball around and learning to shoot it.

Look, if this helps the team that's great, but I've been watching basketball for over 50 years (yeah I'm that old) and the teams that win the most are the teams that have the best players, have the fewest injuries, and execute the best on the court. At this point of the season Holly can't do anything about the first two, but she can the 3rd.

Well, there is something to team chemistry and playing as a unit, rather than five individuals. lots of teams do these boot camp, team building events. If it builds team cohesiveness, that is not a bad thing.
 
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Draya could help her team better by lugging a basketball around and learning to shoot it.

Look, if this helps the team that's great, but I've been watching basketball for over 50 years (yeah I'm that old) and the teams that win the most are the teams that have the best players, have the fewest injuries, and execute the best on the court. At this point of the season Holly can't do anything about the first two, but she can the 3rd.

Draya can shoot just fine. Her 3-point field goal percentage last season of .341 was fourth best on the team, and her .394 percentage was second best the year before. She also has had the best overall shooting percentage among our guards in each of the last two years. So the notion that she can't shoot is utterly ridiculous. That was a completely unnecessary and unprovoked attack.
 
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Every year there are boarders who claim expertise on assessing weaknesses of LV players during the months preceding the season and after early season games. About this time last year it was two seniors ____.____ the previous year it was senior ___ . I could identify players easily back to Glory's soph year.
And we all know from ongoing political debates that checking facts is not important.
 
#33
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Draya can shoot just fine. Her 3-point field goal percentage last season of .341 was fourth best on the team, and her .394 percentage was second best the year before. She also has had the best overall shooting percentage among our guards in each of the last two years. So the notion that she can't shoot is utterly ridiculous. That was a completely unnecessary and unprovoked attack.

Numbers don't tell the whole story. Carter was afraid to shoot the ball. She will have a wide open shot, and will try to force a pass instead of just shooting the ball. If she doesn't connect on her first few jumpers, it will get inside of her head and she will hesitate to shoot for the rest of the game and when she does shoot, the results will be ugly. Last year, she was a liability on offense. The bigger the stage, the more afraid she is to shoot. She was painful to watch in the NCAA tournament, especially the Gonzaga and Maryland games.

She hasn't played anywhere close to her potential. With her size, strength and athleticism, she should be a star in the SEC. If she hasn't improved her confidence in her shot (something even Holly admitted was a problem last year), then this team is in trouble if she plays the same minutes she played last year.
 
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Numbers don't tell the whole story. Carter was afraid to shoot the ball. She will have a wide open shot, and will try to force a pass instead of just shooting the ball. If she doesn't connect on her first few jumpers, it will get inside of her head and she will hesitate to shoot for the rest of the game and when she does shoot, the results will be ugly. Last year, she was a liability on offense. The bigger the stage, the more afraid she is to shoot. She was painful to watch in the NCAA tournament, especially the Gonzaga and Maryland games.

She hasn't played anywhere close to her potential. With her size, strength and athleticism, she should be a star in the SEC. If she hasn't improved her confidence in her shot (something even Holly admitted was a problem last year), then this team is in trouble if she plays the same minutes she played last year.

I agree 100% if she doesn't contribute on the offensive end then holly should sit her. She is one of the main reasons the offense looked so bad in big games last year.
 
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Well, there is something to team chemistry and playing as a unit, rather than five individuals. lots of teams do these boot camp, team building events. If it builds team cohesiveness, that is not a bad thing.

Hey Mad, you're intelligent enough to understand how I mean this: In about 1971 or thereabouts I was fortunate enough to attend a banquet where the keynote speaker was Red Auerbach, the long-time coach, GM, and mastermind of the Boston Celtics during the Bill Russell thru Larry Bird years. I don't remember all he said during his talk, but he said something that for some reason stuck with me: "Basketball players get better by playing basketball". As coach he had taken some minor heat over the years for letting some of his stars - particularly Russell - sit out practices. Auerbach apparently didn't want to wear out his stars by running them to death during practice considering the season was long and grueling. I think his comment was meant to reflect his belief that there was no substitute for playing a real game.

As for your comment "...there is something to team chemistry and playing as a unit, rather than five individuals...If it builds team cohesiveness, that is not a bad thing" - I think cohesiveness, especially on offense, is one of the things missing from the LV games for the last few years. I hope the boot camp helps in this regard. However, in light of Auerbach's comment, I believe that team play and cohesiveness on the court can best be improved by playing basketball.
 
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Draya can shoot just fine. Her 3-point field goal percentage last season of .341 was fourth best on the team, and her .394 percentage was second best the year before. She also has had the best overall shooting percentage among our guards in each of the last two years. So the notion that she can't shoot is utterly ridiculous. That was a completely unnecessary and unprovoked attack.

A .341 percentage places her outside the top 100 3-point shooters in D1 last season. In two full seasons she averages less than 1 made 3 point goal per game. The head coach has acknowledged that the team needs to improve their outside shooting. I agree with the head coach.
 
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Numbers don't tell the whole story. Carter was afraid to shoot the ball. She will have a wide open shot, and will try to force a pass instead of just shooting the ball. If she doesn't connect on her first few jumpers, it will get inside of her head and she will hesitate to shoot for the rest of the game and when she does shoot, the results will be ugly. Last year, she was a liability on offense. The bigger the stage, the more afraid she is to shoot. She was painful to watch in the NCAA tournament, especially the Gonzaga and Maryland games.

She hasn't played anywhere close to her potential. With her size, strength and athleticism, she should be a star in the SEC. If she hasn't improved her confidence in her shot (something even Holly admitted was a problem last year), then this team is in trouble if she plays the same minutes she played last year.

This.
 
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Draya can shoot just fine. Her 3-point field goal percentage last season of .341 was fourth best on the team, and her .394 percentage was second best the year before. She also has had the best overall shooting percentage among our guards in each of the last two years. So the notion that she can't shoot is utterly ridiculous. That was a completely unnecessary and unprovoked attack.

Since when is 34% from three a good percentage? Simmons was raked over coals for better percentages than that. And 4th best on a team that lacked shooters isn't good, either.

Listen, Draya CAN shoot. She has impeccable form and beautiful elevation. It's that she WON'T shoot. She's an athletic freak, an extremely hard worker and outside of Catchings I'm not sure that I can think of a Lady Vol who consistently has a motor that doesn't quit. But unlike Catchings, she is a liability on offense. It's completely mental with her. She has every tool to become an AA, and I think the sky is the limit with her, which is why it annoys me to no end that she plays like she's scared to death on offense most of the time.
 
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Shooting has been a problem with this for many years. Our offense generally has been a problem for MANY years. Even when we were going to final fours, we often had the worst team shooting percentage of the four title contenders.

As for Carter, she is athletic--but she does not have size. She has a beautiful jump shot--but there is no question that she is too cautious about shooting. You can't be a shooter or a scorer if you are the least bit tentative--you have to go up for a shot fully expecting to drain it; innate confidence is key to a fluid stroke.
 
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A .341 percentage places her outside the top 100 3-point shooters in D1 last season. In two full seasons she averages less than 1 made 3 point goal per game. The head coach has acknowledged that the team needs to improve their outside shooting. I agree with the head coach.

Then why don't any of our other players get bashed who shoot worse than her?
 
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Then why don't any of our other players get bashed who shoot worse than her?

Oh, God. Please tell me you didn't just utter the B-word. "Bash". OMG I despise that word. THE single most overused word in the internet dictionary. Please. Nobody is bashing her. You could ask why is she singled out. I'll tell you why: because she hurts this team on offense with her tentativeness and obvious fear of being a go-to player. Because she is much more gifted than players like Jordan Reynolds and Alexa Middleton. There is no reason to sugarcoat anything. Draya is one of the most athletically gifted guards in the country. She is capable of SO much more offensively, which is the point. She is painfully tentative on offense, to the point where opposing teams don't even guard her at times. Honestly, I've given up on her being a consistently reliable offensive player. She'll have a great game now and then, but she simply is not an aggressive offensive player. I would love to see her take advantage of all the open looks she gets instead of passing them up. I would love to see her average double figures -- and with her physical skills, there is no reason she shouldn't be doing that -- but I really don't think she has it in her.
 
#42
#42
Last year I thought holly should have tried starting Alexa or Jaime neither are greater shooters but they were at least aggressive on the offensive end & would create shots for others or getting second chance points, draya doesn't try to create for others or herself she just goes thru the motion as if she is going over the plays in practice. It is quite frustrating to watch
 
#43
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Hey Mad, you're intelligent enough to understand how I mean this: In about 1971 or thereabouts I was fortunate enough to attend a banquet where the keynote speaker was Red Auerbach, the long-time coach, GM, and mastermind of the Boston Celtics during the Bill Russell thru Larry Bird years. I don't remember all he said during his talk, but he said something that for some reason stuck with me: "Basketball players get better by playing basketball". As coach he had taken some minor heat over the years for letting some of his stars - particularly Russell - sit out practices. Auerbach apparently didn't want to wear out his stars by running them to death during practice considering the season was long and grueling. I think his comment was meant to reflect his belief that there was no substitute for playing a real game.

As for your comment "...there is something to team chemistry and playing as a unit, rather than five individuals...If it builds team cohesiveness, that is not a bad thing" - I think cohesiveness, especially on offense, is one of the things missing from the LV games for the last few years. I hope the boot camp helps in this regard. However, in light of Auerbach's comment, I believe that team play and cohesiveness on the court can best be improved by playing basketball.

Lvjeff, first off, my initial (knee jerk) reaction to the video of the boot camp was negative. I am not a fan of the military drill instructor persona and it just seemed gimmicky.

But (by way segue), I can't rule out there could be some value in this kind of team building exercise. As I said before, whether it is a ropes course or some other kind of outward bound activity, lots of teams do these kinds of activities. I would assume they are seeing some value in them.

Per the Red Auerbach quote, in today's game, players spend a lot of time on activities that are playing basketball but are believed to improve the abilities to play the game. Speed and conditioning work to help reduce risk of injuries and make players stronger and faster are a major component of all programs. That is a lot of time spent not playing b-ball per se.

One thing that struck me from the vid is when the drill Sargent type ask Mercedes, the team leader, how long she was going to let Graves keep making this one mistake in exercise they were doing. So, that is learning to look out for each other and speaking up (and who knows what the barrier might have been). But how many times last year, was a lack of communication responsible for blown defensive plays and missed scoring opportunities? If I recall correctly, poor communication was a persistent problem. If this program breaks down whatever barriers that existed last year, that would be a plus.

Or look at this way, I would assume that the team spent a lot of time playing b-ball last year and they had some glaring deficiencies; so maybe mixing it up a bit might push some buttons that needed to be pushed.
 
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well you can't really learn much in a day or 2 at a boot camp practice,till your broke down as an individual and brought up as team,it isn't going to do a whole lot

such as your the one that screwed something up and your standing there,while the rest of em are doing push ups,till sweat is dropping on the floor,you won't really get it and yes,i was the one standing,thank goodness only a time or too,I wished I had a dollar for every 4 count push up I did lol

I did get in trouble when a drill instructor asked me if that was the way they did push ups in Tennessee and i barked out Yes Sir with out thinking and the snickers broke out,that was a rough week after that one :)

but at best it did help them out with some team unity at worst,it didn't do a whole lot
 
#45
#45
We need to shoot better as a team than .425 percent need that to be up over 45 percent offense was the reason we didn't make the final four last season. I am hoping the addition of Diamond and Cooper will give the offense a big boost and of course need improvement from all the other players that are back.
 
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We hardly even did jumping jacks when I went thru USAF basic training, G Mule. Hardest thing I remember doing was sit ups in the dirt/sandspurs at Lackland while a perfectly fine paved drill pad was 10 yards away. Damn TI thought that was "team building" lol
 
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3 players either didn't participate or were limited in their participation.

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#48
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We need to shoot better as a team than .425 percent need that to be up over 45 percent offense was the reason we didn't make the final four last season. I am hoping the addition of Diamond and Cooper will give the offense a big boost and of course need improvement from all the other players that are back.

I really hope the guards worked on their outside shooting. Ariel was the only dependable outside threat, and she's gone. Tennessee has potentially one of the most formidable frontcourts with Diamond, Bashaara and Mercedes, but the guards need to step up their production. I'm hoping that Alexa comes in much improved. I liked what I saw of her last year, and hopefully she has adjusted to the speed of the college game. Cooper looks like a significant upgrade from Reynolds, so hopefully she eases her way into the starting lineup by the time conference play rolls around.
 
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Lvjeff, first off, my initial (knee jerk) reaction to the video of the boot camp was negative. I am not a fan of the military drill instructor persona and it just seemed gimmicky.

But (by way segue), I can't rule out there could be some value in this kind of team building exercise. As I said before, whether it is a ropes course or some other kind of outward bound activity, lots of teams do these kinds of activities. I would assume they are seeing some value in them.

Per the Red Auerbach quote, in today's game, players spend a lot of time on activities that are playing basketball but are believed to improve the abilities to play the game. Speed and conditioning work to help reduce risk of injuries and make players stronger and faster are a major component of all programs. That is a lot of time spent not playing b-ball per se.

One thing that struck me from the vid is when the drill Sargent type ask Mercedes, the team leader, how long she was going to let Graves keep making this one mistake in exercise they were doing. So, that is learning to look out for each other and speaking up (and who knows what the barrier might have been). But how many times last year, was a lack of communication responsible for blown defensive plays and missed scoring opportunities? If I recall correctly, poor communication was a persistent problem. If this program breaks down whatever barriers that existed last year, that would be a plus.

Or look at this way, I would assume that the team spent a lot of time playing b-ball last year and they had some glaring deficiencies; so maybe mixing it up a bit might push some buttons that needed to be pushed.

Thanks Mad. Good points. I appreciate your response.
 
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Then why don't any of our other players get bashed who shoot worse than her?

I don't think what's been said about Carter in this thread rises to the level of bashing. I mentioned Carter because a previous poster spoke of how hard she worked. All the guards need to improve their outside shooting.
 

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