Prebyterian Postgame Report

[walkenvol]

Which surprises me, if I’m going against Tennessee I hound our guards, be physical with them, and stay on shooters…I take my chances with Fulk/ON/BHH BEATING me down low.

That’s sounds great except that if you start playing tight D on KC or ZZ 15+ feet from the basket then they’re driving by you for layups.

 

[BACKDOC]

Definitely worried about the post play as we progress towards tougher opponents. Also, thank goodness Fulky didn't tear his knee or break his ankle on that one play.

.......or dislocate a hip.

 

[bleedingTNorange]

That’s sounds great except that if you start playing tight D on KC or ZZ 15+ feet from the basket then they’re driving by you for layups.

3>2

 

[walkenvol]

3>2

Got nothing to do with my point. No coach around preaches don’t take a layup or dunk, only take 3’s. Many are saying pass on the 15-18 footers for either a 3 attempt or something in the paint. I’d bet my house that CRB’s first choice of shots is right at the rim, especially with your defender behind you.

 

[cncchris33]

I’m not sure I’ve really seen him create for anybody, at least against a team with a pulse. I stand by the idea that Powell and the freshman guards need minutes over Bailey, hitting some shots against Pres doesn’t change that for me

I’m still not completely out on Uros like everybody else is. If Fulk and BHH are both gone next year, I think we’ll need him to be a contributor, even if Aidoo likely starts over him. Not like there’s nothing to build on, he got the best hands of any of our bigs and is an excellent if maybe over-willing passer for a center. Not a natural scorer in the slightest but doesn’t need to be. Just needs to learn to bow up on defense

Yeah, I think I agree on Bailey. I’m not sure we’ve really seen him to the kinds of things Powell can do, at least consistently and against good teams. I think he’s mostly a spot-up shooter. A more athletic Skylar McBee.

 

[bleedingTNorange]

Got nothing to do with my point. No coach around preaches don’t take a layup or dunk, only take 3’s. Many are saying pass on the 15-18 footers for either a 3 attempt or something in the paint. I’d bet my house that CRB’s first choice of shots is right at the rim, especially with your defender behind you.

His first choice is the best open look, he’s said exactly this, whether it’s 3 or 2…he doesn’t want guys passing up looks.

My point was that Presbyterian seemed to rather give up the open 3’s off drive and kick and helping rather than give up the 2 at the basket or hope for a mid range pull up. Nova didn’t help much, they switched everything and knocked out guards around, stayed in front of us all day which kept us out of the paint and no easy looks from 3.

 

[cardvolfan]

Ziegler and Powell are both great shooters. Getting those guys in the mix makes us better already. Santi definitely playing better than last year. We need to figure out how to run some offense when we are getting pushed around.
We will see alot more teams play defense like Villanova in the tournament. We figure that out and these guys have a high ceiling.

Ziegler shooting 50% overall and 37.5% from 3.
Santi 42% and 35%.
Powell 57 and 55.

Clearly, one great shooter to this point.

 

[bleedingTNorange]

Ziegler shooting 50% overall and 37.5% from 3.
Santi 42% and 35%.
Powell 57 and 55.

Clearly, one great shooter to this point.

take away last night and Santi is at about 40%, so not sure it’s fair to chalk that one up…I assure you no coach is advising in his scout to leave him open.

 

[cardvolfan]

Uros does have good hands and good passing ability. I’m disappointed we’ve seen very little in the way of offensive adaptation given his size. Also disappointed that defensively he just doesn’t make a difference. Also, BHH has the best hands of the big men, per Barnes.

 

[cardvolfan]

take away last night and Santi is at about 40%, so not sure it’s fair to chalk that one up…I assure you no coach is advising in his scout to leave him open.

Santi was 37.4% prior to last night. Not bad but not great. His overall FG % (42%) is disappointing to me. He does contribute with good defense and hustle and is a team player. Are you pleased with his shooting percentages?

 

[bleedingTNorange]

Santi was 37.4% prior to last night. Not bad but not great. His overall FG % (42%) is disappointing to me. He does contribute with good defense and hustle and is a team player. Are you pleased with his shooting percentages?

Yes, because I think last night probably was an outlier that brings things down a bit…his true shooting % prior to last night would’ve been around 60% which is REAAALLLY good.

 

[cardvolfan]

Yes, because I think last night probably was an outlier that brings things down a bit…his true shooting % prior to last night would’ve been around 60% which is REAAALLLY good.

I’m confused. He was around 42% overall prior to last night. Hit 2 layups from a couple of nice passes.

 

[JoAllan]

Rebounding was just odd for that game.

Would loved to have seen Tennessee do better. However Presbyterian slows things way down, and Tennessee hit shots at a freakish pace.

Still would have loved to see Tennessee with a bit more………but I wouldn’t get worried about if via that particular game.

 

[cncchris33]

Yes, because I think last night probably was an outlier that brings things down a bit…his true shooting % prior to last night would’ve been around 60% which is REAAALLLY good.

I think your point holds more truth with regards to someone like ZZ. Take out the TTU game, and he’s at 50%. Vescovi, on the other hand, has had several poor shooting nights from 3, this year.

1-5 vs Presbyterian
3-10 vs TTU
4-12 vs Villanova
1-7 vs ETSU

9-34 in those games (26.4%)

His percentage has been boosted by going 6-11 vs UTM and 3-6 vs UNC.

 

[kckempf]

Villanova did exactly that…obviously more talent, but they had similar depth and did just fine.

They had really good “foul control” as I recall. Even managed to get a charge called within the restricted zone.

As much as I hated the way those fouls affected us the refs called them for a ton, too. Aside from their composure in other areas they looked much more prepared for the effects of the quick whistle.

 

[bleedingTNorange]

I’m confused. He was around 42% overall prior to last night. Hit 2 layups from a couple of nice passes.

That’s not what true shooting % is

 

[cardvolfan]

I think your point holds more truth with regards to someone like ZZ. Take out the TTU game, and he’s at 50%. Vescovi, on the other hand, has had several poor shooting nights from 3, this year.

1-5 vs Presbyterian
3-10 vs TTU
4-12 vs Villanova
1-7 vs ETSU

9-34 in those games (26.4%)

His percentage has been boosted by going 6-11 vs UTM and 3-6 vs UNC.

Quit stirring the pot with facts, Chris. Look, I was hoping Vescovi had a higher upside as far as shooting goes, but maybe not. He earns his minutes in other ways, but if he was a lethal shooter, it would certainly add another dimension.

 

[bleedingTNorange]

I think your point holds more truth with regards to someone like ZZ. Take out the TTU game, and he’s at 50%. Vescovi, on the other hand, has had several poor shooting nights from 3, this year.

1-5 vs Presbyterian
3-10 vs TTU
4-12 vs Villanova
1-7 vs ETSU

9-34 in those games (26.4%)

His percentage has been boosted by going 6-11 vs UTM and 3-6 vs UNC.

4/12 isn’t awful, it equates to 50%fg

 

[bleedingTNorange]

They had really good “foul control” as I recall. Even managed to get a charge called within the restricted zone.

As much as I hated the way those fouls affected us the refs called them for a ton, too. Aside from their composure in other areas they looked much more prepared for the effects of the quick whistle.

Yes, that whistle was a rough one, especially early on.

 

[cardvolfan]

That’s not what true shooting % is

I know what true shooting % is. He’s underperformed my hopes, but maybe he fits the slots for your expectations, and that’s okay.

 

[cncchris33]

Rebounding was just odd for that game.

Would loved to have seen Tennessee do better. However Presbyterian slows things way down, and Tennessee hit shots at a freakish pace.

Still would have loved to see Tennessee with a bit more………but I wouldn’t get worried about if via that particular game.

Yeah, we only had a 66.7% defensive rebounding percentage, which isn’t great against a team we clearly overmatched in size and athleticism.

 

[Volfan1000]

1. This was an odd game in which we blow out the opponent (86-44) and only get 12 points from our regular frontcourt rotation of Fulk, Nkamhoua, BHH, and Plavsic. 12 points on 5-10 shooting, 14 rebounds, and 2 blocks in 71 combined minutes.

2. Point 1 can be partially explained by the fact that Presby certainly tried to clog the lane which is what opened up things on the perimeter, and they really never adjusted. Instead, they just continually dared us to beat them on the perimeter. We did beat them on some back-cuts and drives to the bucket by the guards (Vescovi and Chandler, specifically), but we never established a post presence.

3. Kennedy Chandler - 15 pts, 1 rebound, 7 assists, 7 steals, and 0 TOs. I feel increasingly comfortable saying that he is the best PG I've ever seen at Tennessee based on my own two eyes, but also in the fact that Barnes, notoriously difficult to please as a PG or a freshman...let alone both, has completely turned the team over to him. I think he is in that TJ Ford/DJ Augustine category. It seems like Barnes realizes he most likely only gets one year with him and it's better to let him make mistakes in November and December, play through them and learn from them, and then see improvement in January and February rather than try and play the long approach of benching him and working thru it over time. He didn't necessarily take that approach to Keon Johnson and Jaden Springer, though I'd probably call Chandler the most talented/ready to contribute at a high level, of the three. Can you imagine those three together?

4. Justin Powell and Victor Bailey played 39 combined minutes. Let's assume they were all at the same position, so 39 of 40 minutes. They shot a combined 9-14 (9-13 from 3) and scored 29 points, had 3 rebounds (all Powell), 4 assists (Powell 3, Bailey 1), 1 block (Powell), and only 1 TO (Bailey).

Now, you aren't going to get that kind of efficiency every game, but if you got 75% of it on average, you have one locked down position that you don't have to worry about. That is the benefit of having elite shooters and that is exactly why you bring in a Justin Powell. The people who were skeptical of his small sample size are going to be eating their words, over time, I believe. I was a big proponent of signing him and was over the moon when he committed, because that is the kind of stat line (15/3/3) I imagined from him. He can just affect the game in so many ways due to his shooting, size, and passing. Yeah, neither guy is really effective on defense, but as long as your other 4 are more than adequate, you can live with having one liability with room for improvement.

5. We forced 25 TOs, though Presby forced a lot of those on themselves...I've never seen so many unforced traveling calls. Chandler was credited with 7 steals and Tennessee had 13 as a team. We were smothering them, defensively and they got nothing easy. Granted, they aren't even on the same planet in terms of talent, but it was good to see us do what you should do to an opponent like that, which is completely dominate them from start to finish.

6. It was nice to see Jonas Aidoo come off the bench in garbage time and be effective. He only played 5 minutes, but had 2 points, 1 rebound, 1 assist, and 1 steal. His bucket was a monstrous throwdown dunk and he would have had another rebound and dunk had Brock Jancek not have drawn a goal-tending call on a missed shot. He played angry and wasn't overthinking, perhaps due to the opponent and outcome. If Uros played that way, he'd warrant more playing time. He's just too much finesse around the basket for a guy his size, which is probably just the "euro" way of playing.

I would like to see Bailey drive toward the basket more instead of always settling for a 3 look and crash the boards harder.

 

[cardvolfan]

That’s not what true shooting % is

Also, don’t mention that Chandler, ON, Fulky, Powell, BHH, and Zeigler all have a TSS better than Vescovi.

 

[JoAllan]

Yeah, we only had a 66.7% defensive rebounding percentage, which isn’t great against a team we clearly overmatched in size and athleticism.

yea I did agree it wasn’t good……..just stating it was a strange game in that perspective.

James wasn’t there, Plavsic played more than normal and some of the other guys played less. Heck with James out I would figure Vescovi would get more rebounds…….and he had been however he only got 2 last night.

my only conclusion was I personally wouldn’t get worried about rebounding simply from that particular game……..because it was a very odd one.

 

[cncchris33]

4/12 isn’t awful, it equates to 50%fg

It isn’t awful in a vacuum, no. For that matter, 3-10 is a 45% EFG%, but I’d imagine Barnes wouldn’t be pleased with Vescovi going out and shooting 4-12 or 3-10 from 3 every night.

33% from deep is easier to swallow when it comes on a 1-3 night, or even a 2-6 night. At some point, you have to figure that if you’re letting a guy pull the trigger from deep 10 to 12 times a game, he needs to consistently be hitting more than 33% of the time, because there are 6 or 8 missed opportunities within those 10 to 12 attempts.

If that were Bailey, we’d all be screaming at him to stop shooting.