President Bush's Farewell

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oklavol said:
His father had similar briefings and chose not to go in. The CIA told him they didn't think he had WMD's either. Bush chose to ignore that, and go ahead. Then he turned around and blamed the CIA for the policy failure. Real stand-up guy.
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I don't think that's accurate. More than 10 years had passed, so the intelligence was likely very different between the two of them.

Not only did US intelligence indicate WMD's, but also German, Russian, British, French and other intelligence had findings to that effect. In all likelihood, if he truly didn't have them, he did too good of a job bluffing that he did and it backfired. There were traces of mustard gas in the Euphrates shortly after the invasion that have not been explained, as well.
 
#52
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TXVOL07 said:
Evidence of this can be found in the blind faith displayed on election night. Ignorance, will certainly not be blissfull.
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I find it funny how so many from the right make this statement yet voted for GWB. Twice.

And please don't hand me your horse**it about how it was better than the alternatives. There is no way you could ever know. You voted for a guy who will go down in history as one of the worst presidents.
 
#53
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truefan said:
The president should always care about the perception of him and his office. He works for the citizens of the US.

This was probably his biggest problem while in office. He didn't care and pushed the agendas of a few instead of the masses.
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Saying Pesident Bush "didnt care" makes you sound uninformed about the man. Claiming to be able to pin point his percieved problems and make generalization about them makes you sound ignorant. And further more, claiming that the "masses" are always the best to allign you choices with makes you look like a conformist. To sum it up, your statement is an epic failure.
 
#54
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truefan said:
I find it funny how so many from the right make this statement yet voted for GWB. Twice.

And please don't hand me your horse**it about how it was better than the alternatives. There is no way you could ever know. You voted for a guy who will go down in history as one of the worst presidents.
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I didn't vote for Bush in either election, or McCain in this previous one. I think there is too much blind faith being put into the president-elect. There is no way he can live up to this hype. And Carter had worst president of the modern era in the bag.
 
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TXVOL07 said:
Saying Pesident Bush "didnt care" makes you sound uninformed about the man. Claiming to be able to pin point his percieved problems and make generalization about them makes you sound ignorant. And further more, claiming that the "masses" are always the best to allign you choices with makes you look like a conformist. To sum it up, your statement is an epic failure.
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I meant he didn't care what the masses thought. I didn't say you should always align your choices with the massess but you CERTAINLY should ALWAYS care what the masses think anyway. I will debate anything about him you would like. And especially this issue. When you are president, you answer to the American people. That is a fact. I don't care if I sound ignorant to you. I am satisfied I am well versed on most issues. My statement is a "failure"? LOL ....W's presidency, for the most part, was a failure.
 
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oklavol said:
His father had similar briefings and chose not to go in. The CIA told him most of their evidence was he didn't have WMD's. Bush chose to go ahead. Then he turned around and blamed the CIA for the policy failure.
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His father chose not to go where? Iraq? I believe he did decide to go in. Bush 41 called the dogs off because after the slaughter on the highway public perception started to turn. Bush 41 also thought that with Sadaam's elite troops gone the people would overthrow him, they were wrong.

The bottom line is because of the not so subtle troop movements and the repeated warnings that we were coming we will never know what Sadaam did or didn't have.
 
#57
#57
truefan said:
The president should always care about the perception of him and his office. He works for the citizens of the US.

This was probably his biggest problem while in office. He didn't care and pushed the agendas of a few instead of the masses.
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democracy is overrated.
 
#58
#58
truefan said:
I meant he didn't care what the masses thought. I didn't say you should always align your choices with the massess but you CERTAINLY should ALWAYS care what the masses think anyway. I will debate anything about him you would like. And especially this issue. When you are president, you answer to the American people. That is a fact. I don't care if I sound ignorant to you. I am satisfied I am well versed on most issues. My statement is a "failure"? LOL ....W's presidency, for the most part, was a failure.
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Did you make sure Mr. Obama has your correct address? I'd hate for that check you have coming to get lost in the mail.
 
#59
#59
truefan said:
The president should always care about the perception of him and his office. He works for the citizens of the US.

This was probably his biggest problem while in office. He didn't care and pushed the agendas of a few instead of the masses.
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As for the first part the president cannot afford to let what the people think of him influence the tough decisions for war, especially when the public doesn't know the half of it.

He did what he thought was in the best interest of the country at a rough time in our history. You may want to simplify the matter by saying "he pushed the agenda of a few', that's your choice, it doesn't make it true or right.
 
#61
#61
truefan said:
I find it funny how so many from the right make this statement yet voted for GWB. Twice.

And please don't hand me your horse**it about how it was better than the alternatives. There is no way you could ever know. You voted for a guy who will go down in history as one of the worst presidents.
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How are we to know that either of the alternatives would have been any better? Answer, you nor anyone else know. Just as those who voted for Bush didn't know.

That is what voting is all about. You make the best possible choice, when it's all said and done it really is somewhat of a gamble now isn't it?
 
#62
#62
"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."
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nowhere in that oath does it state that a President will monitor the daily tracking polls and lead based on which direction the wind is blowing on a particular day.

Had President Bush did what the people wanted, there would be a Flag Desecration amendment, there would be a Man+Woman=Marriage Amendment, and immediately after 9-11 several Arab capitals would have been blasted into smoking craters.

This "President must answer to the will of the people" line is rubbish. He's not elected by "the People" but by the Electors of the states.
 
#63
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MG1968 said:
nowhere in that oath does it state that a President will monitor the daily tracking polls and lead based on which direction the wind is blowing on a particular day.

Had President Bush did what the people wanted, there would be a Flag Desecration amendment, there would be a Man+Woman=Marriage Amendment, and immediately after 9-11 several Arab capitals would have been blasted into smoking craters.

This "President must answer to the will of the people" line is rubbish. He's not elected by "the People" but by the Electors of the states.
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I totally agree, yet he can't be totally carefree of what the people think either. It is his job to explain to the American people how/why he acts on a particular issue.

We don't live in a democracy, but a Democratic Republic.
 
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oklavol said:
His father had similar briefings and chose not to go in. The CIA told him most of their evidence was he didn't have WMD's. Bush chose to go ahead. Then he turned around and blamed the CIA for the policy failure.
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Bush Sr. is on record saying, he advised his son not to go into Iraq.
 
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truefan said:
I totally agree, yet he can't be totally carefree of what the people think either. It is his job to explain to the American people how/why he acts on a particular issue.

We don't live in a democracy, but a Democratic Republic.
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"The people" have far too little information on which to base their opinions on matters of national security.

The majority of voters (also the largest number of voters in history) did in fact validate his policies and elect him a second time, so the argument that he didn't listen to the will of the people is invalid.
 
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#68
truefan said:
I totally agree, yet he can't be totally carefree of what the people think either. It is his job to explain to the American people how/why he acts on a particular issue.

We don't live in a democracy, but a Democratic Republic.
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I live for the day I can piss on John Kerry's grave.
 
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TennTradition said:
Do you have enough hate to actually want to piss on someone's grave? No thanks...
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I'm sure a lot of Vietnam vets would be more than happy to take a televised dump on Kerry or his grave. Ditto Jane Fonda. Can't say I blame them.
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#74
#74
Now I advise for us to turn our backs on January the 20th and if you haven't done so, punish the media. Fox, ummm...........they turned our backs on us, except Sean Hannity.

For real news: Go to the Free Rupublic
 
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CRAWFORD, Texas – For the first time in eight years, this one-stoplight town is getting back to normal.

The school is abuzz about its sports teams — not the next world leader President Bush will bring to campus from his 1,600-acre ranch outside town.

Only one souvenir shop remains open full time on Main Street — still hawking coffee mugs and Christmas ornaments emblazoned with "The Western White House" logo — and there are no more war protesters clogging the streets or news reporters clamoring for interviews.
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Crawford TX, back to normal after Bush term ends
 
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