President Donald Trump - J.D. Vance Administration

[Orangeburst]

Key excerpts, though I'd urge reading the entirety:

In Wong Kim Ark, the leading case on birthright citizenship, the Supreme Court explained that “jurisdiction” referred to being born “within the allegiance” of the sovereign. The court held that a child born of parents with a “permanent domicile and residence in the United States” was a birthright citizen. Wong Kim Ark’s parents, as persons who came in amity, had entered into the social compact and were entitled to all the benefits of that compact, including not only the protection of the laws but also the benefits of citizenship for their children. Under the common law, the court observed, “such allegiance and protection were mutual.”

This is also why, as prominent editions of Blackstone’s commentaries explained, invading armies were excluded. “It is not cœlum nec solum” — it is neither the climate nor the soil — that makes a natural-born subject, “but their being born within the allegiance and under the protection of the king.”

Have Unlawful Entrants Given Allegiance?​

Which brings us to the children of people who are present in the United States illegally. Has a citizen of another country who violated the laws of this country to gain entry and unlawfully remain here pledged obedience to the laws in exchange for the protection and benefit of those laws?
Clearly, the parents are not enemies in the sense of an invading army, but they did not come in amity. They gave no obedience or allegiance to the country when they entered — one cannot give allegiance and promise to be bound by the laws through an act of defiance of those laws. Such persons can even be summarily removed from the country without judicial procedures of the sort that would protect citizens. If the allegiance-for-protection view informed the original meaning of the text, then they and their children are therefore not under the protection or “subject to the jurisdiction” of the nation in the relevant sense.
The executive order’s exclusion of children born to mothers who are “lawful but temporary” residents is a more complicated question not addressed here. And whether Congress ought to grant naturalized citizenship to children born to those illegally present in the United States is a policy issue distinct from whether the 14th Amendment has already done so. The Supreme Court has, in a footnote, presumed that the 14th Amendment’s jurisdictional phrase applied equally to people who are here illegally, but the issue was neither briefed nor argued in that case; nor was it material to its outcome.

When they finally consider this question, the justices will find that the case for Mr. Trump’s order is stronger than his critics realize.

Reason they wont rule that way is the existing foreign born that have already been deemed citizens. I dont think the court would open that can o worms.

 

[lawgator1]

Okay... questions...

Has it been proven, probably beyond a single doubt, of the ability of the West and NATO to stop the Russian Military even with older generation weapons?

If we were dealing with clearly rational actors I'd agree with your point, but Putin has lost 800k troops by some counts. Plus massive amounts of equipment and he has not achieved nearly what he expected. And so I'm not so sure he would not see it as an opening. But I hope you are right and he is deterred.

Furthermore, even with the drawdown of European militaries (with the exception of a few) wouldn't it be safe to say the "threat" of Russia invading in almost laughable at this point and they would be beaten back handedly?

same answer as above

Moreover, Trump knows the big bad romping, stomping Red Army got their ass handed to them by older millennials and grumpy Gen X Ukrainians... with second hand US and NATO weapons. Shouldn't this failure mean the US can (and should) focus on other theaters instead like Asia since the Russian threat has been proven false?

Global chess, biscuit.

Return volley question: if China invades Taiwan do you think Trump would intervene? I don't.

I'm not 100 percent sure Biden would, or any other President, but the uncertainty has been important and it seem like that's not the case anymore.

 

[NCFisher]

Okay... questions...

Has it been proven, probably beyond a single doubt, of the ability of the West and NATO to stop the Russian Military even with older generation weapons?

Furthermore, even with the drawdown of European militaries (with the exception of a few) wouldn't it be safe to say the "threat" of Russia invading in almost laughable at this point and they would be beaten back handedly?

Moreover, Trump knows the big bad romping, stomping Red Army got their ass handed to them by older millennials and grumpy Gen X Ukrainians... with second hand US and NATO weapons. Shouldn't this failure mean the US can (and should) focus on other theaters instead like Asia since the Russian threat has been proven false?

Global chess, biscuit.

Yeah but...if Russia tact-nuked Kyiv and a couple other major metros, what would everyone else do? Nuke them back? Ukraine exists because the worse that could happen to them, did not.

I agree with Zelensky the least-cost, best option is NATO membership. But for Russia, not Ukraine.

 

[NCFisher]

Reason they wont rule that way is the existing foreign born that have already been deemed citizens. I dont think the court would open that can o worms.

If presented the evidence, SCOTUS would have to rule that way, and I don't see any way it doesn't reach them.

What to do about those already granted citizenship is another matter.

 

[Orange_Crush]

Yeah but...if Russia tact-nuked Kyiv and a couple other major metros, what would everyone else do? Nuke them back? Ukraine exists because the worse that could happen to them, did not.

I agree with Zelensky the least-cost, best option is NATO membership. But for Russia, not Ukraine.

We pushed the world to the brink of nuclear war over Cuba. Yet people get their panties in a twist if someone says, "Maybe inviting Ukraine into NATO isn't the best idea."

I have no idea why Russia would take issue with it.

 

[whodeycin85]

I say bring in Russia to NATO and freeze China out....if not then withdraw from NATO and let China fund them and ruin their economy instead of ours

 

[NCFisher]

We pushed the world to the brink of nuclear war over Cuba. Yet people get their panties in a twist if someone says, "Maybe inviting Ukraine into NATO isn't the best idea."

I have no idea why Russia would take issue with it.

For that matter, if Russia were in NATO with terms of giving back the eastern Ukraine lands and assisting with rebuild, I don't see what objection they could have to both being in NATO.

OTOH, with Russia in NATO, don't see that Ukraine brings much.

 

[Grand Vol]

Return volley question: if China invades Taiwan do you think Trump would intervene? I don't.

I'm not 100 percent sure Biden would, or any other President, but the uncertainty has been important and it seem like that's not the case anymore.

I think China has given pause for thought over such a thing. While the Europeans have their own mess to deal with, the Pacific is still largely a US lake which we control fairly effectively.

China has absolutely nothing to gain now in Taiwan. For years ago, maybe they did. But now? They know Trump will go all out economic warfare on them especially trying to bring back production and whatnot to the US. We are the only country that has the capability to ramp up quickly for such a thing. Europe might as well, but we can thank the EU for stifling the economies of those counties.

So, yes, Trump does intervene and goes even further.

 

[rekinhavoc]

National security advisor says Putin, Zelenskyy agree 'only President Trump could get them to the table'

President Donald Trump's national security advisor Michael Waltz says Americans want "payback" of billions spent on Ukraine war ahead of US-Russia talks.

www.foxnews.com

"Among the critics of the Trump administration's handling of the negotiations was Sen. Adam Schiff, D-Calif., who said the president's inability to "even identify Ukraine as an equal bargaining power, after the blood Ukraine has shed, [is] just a shocking surrender of American values and interests." Noting how Zelenskyy said he would not be bound by any deal negotiated between Russia and the U.S., "Fox News Sunday" host Shannon Bream asked Waltz if Kyiv would have a seat at the table. "


Hey Tippy The Turtle what did your boy Biden do ? Did he try to get them to the negotiating table or just send our money and weapons?

Schiff is a war mongering treasonous turd.

 

[lawgator1]

National security advisor says Putin, Zelenskyy agree 'only President Trump could get them to the table'

President Donald Trump's national security advisor Michael Waltz says Americans want "payback" of billions spent on Ukraine war ahead of US-Russia talks.

www.foxnews.com

"Among the critics of the Trump administration's handling of the negotiations was Sen. Adam Schiff, D-Calif., who said the president's inability to "even identify Ukraine as an equal bargaining power, after the blood Ukraine has shed, [is] just a shocking surrender of American values and interests." Noting how Zelenskyy said he would not be bound by any deal negotiated between Russia and the U.S., "Fox News Sunday" host Shannon Bream asked Waltz if Kyiv would have a seat at the table. "


Hey Tippy The Turtle what did your boy Biden do ? Did he try to get them to the negotiating table or just send our money and weapons?

Schiff is a war mongering treasonous turd.

How does Ukraine NOT have an equal seat at the negotiating table to make a deal on the future of their country ?

 

[Orange_Crush]

Schiff is a war mongering treasonous turd.

Methinks thou protest too little. FAR too little. lol

Schiff is a treasonous slug that needs to be hanged. He fabricated false testimony and got Trump impeached in a political coup against the Unites States' duly elected president.

 

[Franklin Pierce]

NASCAR Fans Go Wild as Trump Whips Around Daytona 500 In The Beast but not everyone is delighted​

Donald Trump told the drivers in NASCAR's Daytona 500 that they are 'great Americans' while being taken around the 2.5mile circuit in the Beast during a stirring appearance at Sunday's race in Florida.

The President sent NASCAR fans wild on Sunday afternoon as Air Force One flew over the track before his arrival. The thousands of fans cheered wildly as his plane roared over the racetrack, with Trump making it a second straight weekend of high-profile appearances at sporting events.

This weekend, the President's motorcade drove straight onto the track in Florida and traveled a short distance in front of the NASCAR fans packed into the stands before it entered a secure area. He later returned onto the track, with his motorcade doing two laps before the race started, where he spoke to the drivers over the radio.

As Trump's limousine paced the track, he told the drivers: 'This is your favorite President. I'm a big fan, a really big fan of you people. How you do this, I don't know.

'But I just want you to be safe. You are talented people and you are great people and great Americans. Have a good day, have a lot of fun and I will see you later.'


Donald Trump waves to NASCAR fans as he holds the hand of granddaughter Caroline


Trump shakes the hands of the NASCAR drivers before the beginning of the race


Trump stopped and posed for a photo with one of NASCAR's all-time greats, Richard Petty

NASCAR fans go wild as Trump whips around Daytona 500 in the Beast

Donald Trump sent NASCAR fans wild at the Daytona 500 on Sunday afternoon as Air Force One flew over the track in Florida before his hugely anticipated arrival at the race.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[rekinhavoc]

How does Ukraine NOT have an equal seat at the negotiating table to make a deal on the future of their country ?

"Asked why Ukraine won't be directly part of the Saudi Arabia talks, Waltz said, "The Ukrainian people have fought valiantly. They have seen entire cities destroyed. The United States and Europe have supported this effort, but the United States unquestionably has borne the brunt of that support over the years, but now President Trump is clear it needs to come to an end."

Waltz added that the negotiations will be driven by "key tenants," including ensuring that there's a "permanent end to the war" and that the conflict "can't be ended on the battlefield."

"This has turned into a World War I-style meat grinder of human beings," he said, adding that economic integration going forward would be the "best arbiter of peace" and long-term military security guarantees have to be European-led. "



I don't remember Biden trying to get anyone to negotiate . All he did was send money (half of which never arrived) and weapons.

I also think this has to do with Putin's ego. It's probably the only way he will initially come to the table.

Why not see how it will play out?

 

[NCFisher]

How does Ukraine NOT have an equal seat at the negotiating table to make a deal on the future of their country ?

You should understand that Ukraine is not an equal, and have nothing to trade.

WASHINGTON, Feb 16 (Reuters) - U.S. Secretary of State Marco Rubio on Sunday said Ukraine and Europe would be part of any "real negotiations" to end Moscow's war, signaling that U.S. talks with Russia this week were a chance to see how serious Russian President Vladimir Putin is about peace.
America's top diplomat played down European concerns of being cut out of the initial talks between Russia and the United States set to take place in Saudi Arabia in the coming days. In an interview with CBS, Rubio said a negotiation process had not yet begun in earnest, and if talks advanced, the Ukrainians and other Europeans would be brought into the fold.
rubio-says-coming-days-will-show-if-putin-serious-about-ukraine-peace-2025-02-16

 

[volfanhill]

How does Ukraine NOT have an equal seat at the negotiating table to make a deal on the future of their country ?

How could you ever expect to half an "equal" seat at the table when you can not defend said seat without help from others?

 

[Grand Vol]

How does Ukraine NOT have an equal seat at the negotiating table to make a deal on the future of their country ?

You really don't get it do you?

The United States negotiating for Ukraine sends a big message. This isn't the Vatican or some other toothless nation. It's a symbol showing who is representing whom in these talks.

It's big brother crossing his arms and taking with little brother's bully that's half his size. It's "good faith" but it's also symbolic.

Of course, you and your fellow chowder heads won't see it that way because you have no idea how true diplomacy works. All you can scream is "Russia, Russia, Russia!" and not see the big picture here.

 

[Boston Vol]

Trump’s initial run in 2016 just completely mind ****ed everyone. They have still yet to recover.

 

[lawgator1]

"Asked why Ukraine won't be directly part of the Saudi Arabia talks, Waltz said, "The Ukrainian people have fought valiantly. They have seen entire cities destroyed. The United States and Europe have supported this effort, but the United States unquestionably has borne the brunt of that support over the years, but now President Trump is clear it needs to come to an end."

Waltz added that the negotiations will be driven by "key tenants," including ensuring that there's a "permanent end to the war" and that the conflict "can't be ended on the battlefield."

"This has turned into a World War I-style meat grinder of human beings," he said, adding that economic integration going forward would be the "best arbiter of peace" and long-term military security guarantees have to be European-led. "



I don't remember Biden trying to get anyone to negotiate . All he did was send money (half of which never arrived) and weapons.

I also think this has to do with Putin's ego. It's probably the only way he will initially come to the table.

Why not see how it will play out?

Yes, and President Chaos has today reversed course and said that Ukraine WILL have a role in the negotiations.

 

[Orangeburst]

I am thinking that Munich speech might be about the greatest speech I ever heard.

 

[jmacvols1]

 

[LSU-SIU]

(hopefully you guys don't mind a little humor)

 

[lawgator1]

As I recall, the MAGA crowd absolutely loved whistleblowers as a means to identify left-leaning actions going on within the Biden administration. Now you celebrate Trump firing the guy whose job it is to protect whistleblowers in the same positions?

 

[W.TN.Orange Blood]

As I recall, the MAGA crowd absolutely loved whistleblowers as a means to identify left-leaning actions going on within the Biden administration. Now you celebrate Trump firing the guy whose job it is to protect whistleblowers in the same positions?

 

[W.TN.Orange Blood]

Promises made and promises kept ....

 

[VOLS INC.]

As I recall, the MAGA crowd absolutely loved whistleblowers as a means to identify left-leaning actions going on within the Biden administration. Now you celebrate Trump firing the guy whose job it is to protect whistleblowers in the same positions?

Are you at the race today LG?? I thought you might be. Dip in your mouth. Pair of Jorts. Gator hat with a throwback Jeff Gordon shirt on. Booing Trump every chance you get.