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RockyTop85 said:
And you want colleges to decide what people can and can’t say on their campuses?

That’s what we’re talking about here, right? Speech codes banning antisemitism or lose federal funding?
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It does seem like we have a hard time, as a society, understanding free speech. Our nation tends to go in extremes both ways.

I don't think free speech should include harassing people, blocking access to buildings, blocking streets, entering restaurants or private property to harass people, etc.

At the same time, any type of speech can be allowed.

That being said, private schools can VERY MUCH regulate speech on their campuses. They are not government entities. Free Speech is protection from the government (The Constitution being directly from the Federal Government but most State Governments have Constitutions that provide similar protection as well as the 14th Amendments language), not from private entities.

I feel like we are going too far in limitation at times with the antisemitic speech. It needs to be allowed even if it is offensive. That being said, some of the protest last year were "not free speech" in my view, but were acts of criminal harassment. Protesters have a way of not staying in their lane and that is the problem.

What the guy at the Superbowl did at halftime was not a violation of any law (in a government sense) and was protected by "Free Speech." Now, he could have violated private rules and that can be addressed by firing him from ever performing again.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Whataboutism at its finest.

"I can't defend what we are doing now, the chaos, the irresponsibility, the secrecy, the enormous errors of judgment we engage in every day, the lies we are telling and we repeat over and over again even when it is pointed out that we don't know what we are doing. But gosh, Biden sure did suck, didn't he?"
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Link?
 
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volbound1700 said:
It does seem like we have a hard time, as a society, understanding free speech. Our nation tends to go in extremes both ways.

I don't think free speech should include harassing people, blocking access to buildings, blocking streets, entering restaurants or private property to harass people, etc.

At the same time, any type of speech can be allowed.

That being said, private schools can VERY MUCH regulate speech on their campuses. They are not government entities. Free Speech is protection from the government (The Constitution being directly from the Federal Government but most State Governments have Constitutions that provide similar protection as well as the 14th Amendments language), not from private entities.

I feel like we are going too far in limitation at times with the antisemitic speech. It needs to be allowed even if it is offensive. That being said, some of the protest last year were "not free speech" in my view, but were acts of criminal harassment. Protesters have a way of not staying in their lane and that is the problem.

What the guy at the Superbowl did at halftime was not a violation of any law (in a government sense) and was protected by "Free Speech." Now, he could have violated private rules and that can be addressed by firing him from ever performing again.
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I think I agree with this, but private schools do regulate speech. (See Harvard etc.) IIRC, schools receiving public funds generally cannot, but public schools have tried implementing speech codes for decades and courts have mostly found them to be unconstitutional content-based discrimination.

The way schools have regulated student speech should be a cautionary tale, not an aspirational model.

We have courts and laws for distinguishing between speech and actions that cause injury to others physically, financially, or even by interfering with their freedoms.
 
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RockyTop85 said:
It’s strange and more than a little telling that you think the trailer park was the insulting part.

I appreciate that you are trying to be more accurate now and will therefore generously pretend that it’s totally believable that this is what you were saying all along, even though you’re directly replying to a post that quotes all the dumb **** you said before.
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So this is your long winded version of admitting I was right from the beginning. You may want to harness the pontifical approaches next time.
 
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Majors said:
So this is your long winded version of admitting I was right from the beginning. You may want to harness the pontifical approaches next time.
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I can see I’ve made this too complicated and you’re confused again. Try this:

I do not care what you were crying about before. I do not care about your attempts to pretend that you weren’t actually wrong.

I saw you were wrong and you did not know it. I thought it would be funny to see you realize that you were wrong.

I was half wrong and half right.

I thought you would get mad and that would be funny. Instead, you were dishonest and that was mostly pathetic.

It was still a little funny, but I laughed much harder when you were wrong and did not know it.
 
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swampfoxfan said:
That's not the only entry and you know it. You can hoot to you fellow Maga orange man worshippers, but deceit is a nice word for lie and vfh you lie
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No reputable source is backing your claim. And the entire page had no claim. And the link I provided included industry people. You fell for fake news. Per the usual
 
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RockyTop85 said:
I can see I’ve made this too complicated and you’re confused again. Try this:

I do not care what you were crying about before. I do not care about your attempts to pretend that you weren’t actually wrong.

I saw you were wrong and you did not know it. I thought it would be funny to see you realize that you were wrong.

I was half wrong and half right.

I thought you would get mad and that would be funny. Instead, you were dishonest and that was mostly pathetic.

It was still a little funny, but I laughed much harder when you were wrong and didn’t know it.
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swampfoxfan said:
No never referred to them as slave labor . I consider them willing labor. Go look at California orange groves, there is a huge shortage of labor. Now count the Americans picking oranges
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