President Donald Trump - J.D. Vance Administration

[Orange_Crush]

It may be somewhat related, may not be. But with increased jobs and increased demand for labor, we should see increase in wages. I am pro increased wages. Normally when our economy has sudden, high inflation wages will creep up over time. There is a lag but they always increase. I really haven't seen that since our economy inflated. It's almost like there is an invisible anchor keeping them suppressed.

When the whole tele-work thing hit, I know a LOT of people whose salaries jumped hugely, merely because they were competing at a national scale instead of local scale.


I wonder if the tariff imbalance has been working in reverse. Our production (labor pool/market) has been competing against hugely lower-paid labor oversees, so the "supply" of jobs never really swings against the "demand" of labor. But if these cheaply-produced products, made by low-paid laborers, had to compete against US labor prices (via tariffs), then salaries go up for US workers because production increases here.

 

[n_huffhines]

Did you quote the correct post of mine?

The reply you quoted was a response to your question about waiting 7 years to complain. It had nothing to do with the misleading tweet you posted as a complaint.

I am so confused about you and bham's response and what the rules are here, tbh

 

[whodeycin85]

so Trump is not an existential threat to democracy?

I was being sarcastic.. Not I do believe he will do so much harm it can be repaired..... That's Luther logic.. Care with him he is a retired public school teacher.. His opinions haven't been given to him in years so he is struggling

 

[hog88]

It may be somewhat related, may not be. But with increased jobs and increased demand for labor, we should see increase in wages. I am pro increased wages. Normally when our economy has sudden, high inflation wages will creep up over time. There is a lag but they always increase. I really haven't seen that since our economy inflated. It's almost like there is an invisible anchor keeping them suppressed.

IDK about that. I've seen wages go up considerably.

 

[McDad]

When the whole tele-work thing hit, I know a LOT of people whose salaries jumped hugely, merely because they were competing at a national scale instead of local scale.


I wonder if the tariff imbalance has been working in reverse. Our production (labor pool/market) has been competing against hugely lower-paid labor oversees, so the "supply" of jobs never really swings against the "demand" of labor. But if these cheaply-produced products, made by low-paid laborers, had to compete against US labor prices (via tariffs), then salaries go up for US workers because production increases here.

I am wondering that myself since your earlier post.

 

[McDad]

IDK about that. I've seen wages go up considerably.

Maybe I am not tracking the right kind of vocations, then.

 

[whodeycin85]

Well he said he'd balance the budget. If he does it I will vote for him next cycle.

He has said several times he wants a balanced budget by next year.... Seems sensible since this budget was already mostly negotiated before he was sworn in.. But he was able to get guaranteed reductions from certain departments from my understanding

 

[McDad]

I am so confused about you and bham's response and what the rules are here, tbh

Sorry for the confusion.

I'll try to provide clarity on my thinking if you want.

 

[W.TN.Orange Blood]

 

[Orangeburst]

We should put a 50 tariff on them and kick every national out

 

[n_huffhines]

Sorry for the confusion.

I'll try to provide clarity on my thinking if you want.

Let me try.

You guys think I shouldn't have made an argument that an $80k truck right now is literally suddenly $100k.

I didn't actually make that argument. I posted a clip from Fox Business of a guy explaining what a 25% tariff would do to that car lot. I didn't realize it was so confusing when I posted it. I thought it was clear. I can't edit what he said, but I guess I could write a bunch of context to avoid that confusion.

Instead of saying, "please give us more context." I'm getting, "You should wait to complain about stuff to be more accurate after we have data." which sounds totally ridiculous, but what you guys really are saying, or should be saying, is don't post a video with hypothetical prices because it was confusing to us.

I'm not fkn waiting 7 years to oppose tariffs simply because any given tariff threat might just be a negotiation tactic. This is a guy who doesn't GAF about slapping me with lasting tariffs. It already happened.

 

[n_huffhines]

Where are all the Musk-slurping fakeass free speech warriors today?

Trump tries to carve out a First Amendment exception for 'fake news'

"Fake News is an UNPARDONABLE SIN!" President Donald Trump declares in a Truth Social rant inspired by the cancellation of Joy Reid's MSNBC show. "This

reason.com

 

[W.TN.Orange Blood]

 

[McDad]

Let me try.

You guys think I shouldn't have made an argument that an $80k truck right now is literally suddenly $100k.

I didn't actually make that argument. I posted a clip from Fox Business of a guy explaining what a 25% tariff would do to that car lot. I didn't realize it was so confusing when I posted it. I thought it was clear. I can't edit what he said, but I guess I could write a bunch of context to avoid that confusion.

Instead of saying, "please give us more context." I'm getting, "You should wait to complain about stuff to be more accurate after we have data." which sounds totally ridiculous, but what you guys really are saying, or should be saying, is don't post a video with hypothetical prices because it was confusing to us.

I'm not fkn waiting 7 years to oppose tariffs simply because any given tariff threat might just be a negotiation tactic. This is a guy who doesn't GAF about slapping me with lasting tariffs. It already happened.

Understood. Personally, I have no problems with you or anyone complaining about the idea of tariffs when they are proposed. Not everyone feels that tariffs are a net negative. I see them that way. With that said, I had a chat with Crush today about the subject and there are things which might be a positive. There are things proposed which would offset the economic impact to the consumer.
I think where the complaint went sideways was misunderstanding the tweet. It was poorly constructed. The caption was misleading. It showed the impact on the cost of the truck like it was happening overnight. In addition, as we discussed the tweet, it was suggested the 25% tariff doesn't equate to a 25% price increase on the lot.
So, I think if you want to complain about the specifics (and not in general principles) it would be helpful for the data of those specifics to be known.

Thoughts?

 

[W.TN.Orange Blood]

 

[W.TN.Orange Blood]

 

[Orange.]

Assessing the tariff strategy by saying look at this truck that now cost 100K (which was a wrong assessment btw) and a day's reaction in the stock market seems like a short-sighted evaluation by someone with an economics background.

It might work in our favor/it might not - completely insufficient data to assess.

I heard NPR 2 days ago say that Americans need to be very afraid of the tariffs causing massive inflation. The best way to understand it is, they said, is to imagine everything going up like the price of eggs.

 

[McDad]

I heard NPR 2 days ago say that Americans need to be very afraid of the tariffs causing massive inflation. The best way to understand it is, they said, is to imagine everything going up like the price of eggs.

I hope they are wrong. I don't know how much more inflation (above our normal) we can shoulder.

 

[Orange.]

I hope they are wrong. I don't know how much more inflation (above our normal) we can shoulder.

NPR is a propaganda op. Before this new sudden reversal, they were on repeat saying that using eggs as prototypical of inflation was misinformation.

I’ve also heard them twice in two days fail to explain how tariffs apply to “first sale,” and instead add the tariff to the retail price.

Their theme is “be afraid, be very very afraid.”

 

[W.TN.Orange Blood]

 

[n_huffhines]

NPR is a propaganda op. Before this new sudden reversal, they were on repeat saying that using eggs as prototypical of inflation was misinformation.

I’ve also heard them twice in two days fail to explain how tariffs apply to “first sale,” and instead add the tariff to the retail price.

Their theme is “be afraid, be very very afraid.”

You got a link?

Tariffs are paid on both ends, typically.

 

[DaddyChad]

Sure he is. Because inexplicably, tens of millions listen to him and take him seriously.

Yeah they voted for him.

The dems had super serious alcoholic Kamala and dementia Joe.

 

[LSU-SIU]

Where are all the Musk-slurping fakeass free speech warriors today?

Trump tries to carve out a First Amendment exception for 'fake news'

"Fake News is an UNPARDONABLE SIN!" President Donald Trump declares in a Truth Social rant inspired by the cancellation of Joy Reid's MSNBC show. "This

reason.com

Are these in his personal capacity under what he believes is existing law? I don't know if he will win or lose but I would like to understand the issue you might have specifically. I think the devil is in the details as far was Consumer Fraud or similar in this case.

Generally, I would say if someone is selling something they know to be fraudulent in nature, I'm unsure of what the problem would necessarily be. That doesn't mean that someone making a mistake necessarily though. If one is selling misinformation as a business and fail to warn the consumer that seems like it could be within the scope of consumer protection laws.

 

[Orange_Crush]

Let me try.

You guys think I shouldn't have made an argument that an $80k truck right now is literally suddenly $100k.

I didn't actually make that argument. I posted a clip from Fox Business of a guy explaining what a 25% tariff would do to that car lot. I didn't realize it was so confusing when I posted it. I thought it was clear. I can't edit what he said, but I guess I could write a bunch of context to avoid that confusion.

Instead of saying, "please give us more context." I'm getting, "You should wait to complain about stuff to be more accurate after we have data." which sounds totally ridiculous, but what you guys really are saying, or should be saying, is don't post a video with hypothetical prices because it was confusing to us.

I'm not fkn waiting 7 years to oppose tariffs simply because any given tariff threat might just be a negotiation tactic. This is a guy who doesn't GAF about slapping me with lasting tariffs. It already happened.

Part of my confusion is that you seem convinced that tariffs will lead to "Outcome X", while then saying that tariff data can't be analyzed to know its true effects. If tariff data can't be analyzed for net positive/negative, then I don't see where you have anything from which to create a data-driven prediction.

 

[Buddy’s Bandit]

Disgusting political move???

What about TEXAS congressman Al Green who made a fool of himself just before ONE OF CONSTITUENTS was deservedly honored before congress.

DJ is from TEXAS!!!!!!!!!!!!!

MSNBC hosts call Trump's comments on 13-year-old cancer survivor in speech 'disgusting' political move — Fox News

MSNBC hosts Rachel Maddow and Nicolle Wallace criticized President Donald Trump for featuring DJ Daniel, a 13-year-old cancer survivor, during his speech Tuesday.

apple.news

Heartless.