President Donald Trump - J.D. Vance Administration

[Orange_Crush]

Sounds like he expressed an alignment with an official foreign terrorist organization? If his speech can be considered as such, he didn't think that one through very well?

Engaging in Terrorist Activity

This includes actions such as planning or executing a terrorist activity, soliciting others to do so, providing material support to a terrorist organization or member of a terrorist organization, and soliciting funds or recruiting members for a terrorist organization. See INA section 212(a)(3)(B).

The above disqualifies from immigration to the United States. So, leading pro-Hamas rallies, demonstrations, and protests on college campuses. Sounds dangerously close to recruitment for Hamas. I would have treaded very lightly if I were him. I suspect the previous administration gave WIDE latitude for leftist, pro-Hamas activities by immigrants and they didn't think about what would happen if a new sheriff arrived in town?

 

[Orange_Crush]

If he is indeed linked to Hamas and there is communication between a known Hamas person or group...then there is precedent for the arrest...see J6 the proud boys leader who arrested and wasn't in DC at the time.

A plain reading seems to indicate that there isn't even a need for communication or proof of material support. Just the act of recruitment.

Again, when I am an immigrant in another country, I know the law and tread VERY lightly. AAMOF, the wife and I spend much time in Latin America where there is a long tradition of political protests. The wife and I stay FAR away because they will boot your *** in a heartbeat with no questions asked if you are a tourist or immigrant even suspected of political protest. We do that because the locals warned us.

If you are a guest in someone else' house, it's bad mojo to smear **** on their bathroom walls and then ask why they kicked you out.

 

[LouderVol]

Sounds like he expressed an alignment with an official foreign terrorist organization? If his speech can be considered as such, he didn't think that one through very well?

I thought we were supposed to wait for actual facts to come out before making assumptions?

I guess that shoe didn't fit too well?

 

[Orange_Crush]

I thought we were supposed to wait for actual facts to come out before making assumptions?

I guess that shoe didn't fit too well?

You thought right.

Note:

"Sounds like" != "He did".

Similarly, "If" != "did".

More similarly, a question mark indicates a question as opposed to a statement. Two question marks indicate two questions.

Sounds like he expressed an alignment with an official foreign terrorist organization? If his speech can be considered as such, he didn't think that one through very well?

I'm just trying to offer clarity on the "all speech is protected speech" mantra, and a possible alternative to "he is just being deported for talking and there's no legal excuse for it" argument.

 

[LouderVol]

You thought right.

Note:

"Sounds like" != "He did".

Similarly, "If" != "did".

More similarly, a question mark indicates a question as opposed to a statement. Two question marks indicate two questions.





I'm just trying to offer clarity on the "all speech is protected speech" mantra, and a possible alternative to "he is just being deported for talking and there's no legal excuse for it" argument.

yeah, I included qualifying words and comments in my posts, but you still called me out for saying "IF what I am reading is correct..."

 

[evillawyer]

Pretty accurate

Trump Says Recession Unfortunate But Necessary Step To Get To Depression

WASHINGTON—Warning that Americans should brace themselves for an economic “period of transition,” President Donald Trump told reporters Monday that a recession would be an unfortunate but necessary step on the way to all-out depression. “Look, what we’re doing is very big and will cause some...

theonion.com

 

[evillawyer]

I remember so much pearl clutching when Hunter became a painter.

 

[W.TN.Orange Blood]

 

[W.TN.Orange Blood]

 

[utvolpj]

I remember so much pearl clutching when Hunter became a painter.

Hunter the painter?

Guess one man's painter is another's money launderer

 

[Orange_Crush]

yeah, I included qualifying words and comments in my posts, but you still called me out for saying "IF what I am reading is correct..."

Then I owe you an apology and freely give it. I would have thought you'd have pointed that out, as I just did. It would have been a valid defense from the criticism.

My point wasn't just toward you, but to everyone posting as fact on the matter.

ETA:

everything I have read said he was arrested at his house. everything I have read has said the agents didn't give a reason for the arrest, nor did they have a warrant.

I saw someone claim the feds have 7 days to officially charge, but everything I have seen is 72hrs with a warrant, 48 without. its been more than 48 already, depending on the exact time he was arrested Saturday its approaching that 72 hours.

the first day in court is tomorrow, but it still stinks to high heaven that we don't know more by now, and judges have already stepped in to stop some of Trump's admin's plans to deport this guy.

as I keep saying, if it was someone yall aligned with you would be outraged. but because its an "other" you just shrug. some consistency would be nice.

Not to pick nits, but my main criticism was that it read as though you posted that as though what you read must be fact. IMHO, much different, posting questions than statements.

And I wasn't the one telling everyone to operate on the assumption of innocence, thus the assumption that the Feds were in the wrong.

But nonetheless. If your intent was not to post as though what you've read is fact to be believed at face value, and we should all operate as though he is innocent and assume that the Feds are acting unconstitutionally, then I genuinely apologize for calling you out.

But at the end of the day, the point stands. We shouldn't rush to judgment based on assumptions.

 

[LouderVol]

Then I owe you an apology and freely give it. I would have thought you'd have pointed that out, as I just did. It would have been a valid defense from the criticism.

My point wasn't just toward you, but to everyone posting as fact on the matter.

I appreciate the apology, and I hold no ill will. I wish more conversations were like this.

 

[Orange_Crush]

I appreciate the apology, and I hold no ill will. I wish more conversations were like this.

Same. In fairness, I edited to share more of my mindsight. Pointing it out so you can take the like back if needed.

 

[evillawyer]

Ooh boy, a lot of work being done there by the phrase "the engine."

 

[LouderVol]

Same. In fairness, I edited to share more of my mindsight. Pointing it out so you can take the like back if needed.

I think its still a fair post worthy of a like.

 

[McDad]

Then I owe you an apology and freely give it. I would have thought you'd have pointed that out, as I just did. It would have been a valid defense from the criticism.

My point wasn't just toward you, but to everyone posting as fact on the matter.

ETA:



Not to pick nits, but my main criticism was that it read as though you posted that as though what you read must be fact. IMHO, much different, posting questions than statements.

And I wasn't the one telling everyone to operate on the assumption of innocence, thus the assumption that the Feds were in the wrong.

But nonetheless. If your intent was not to post as though what you've read is fact to be believed at face value, and we should all operate as though he is innocent and assume that the Feds are acting unconstitutionally, then I genuinely apologize for calling you out.

But at the end of the day, the point stands. We shouldn't rush to judgment based on assumptions.

I appreciate the apology, and I hold no ill will. I wish more conversations were like this.

Same. In fairness, I edited to share more of my mindsight. Pointing it out so you can take the like back if needed.

Yall are boring!

 

[Orange_Crush]

Yall are boring!

Well, you're an *** and your dog is ugly.




































Just kidding about the dog. My conscience got to me on that one.

 

[jmacvols1]

...and the Dems are upset...

 

[BeardedVol]

USAID employees told to burn or shred classified documents

An organization representing foreign service workers said it was "alarmed" by the directive because there could be documents "relevant to ongoing litigation."

www.nbcnews.com

 

[utvolpj]

Transitional drop = transitory inflation?

 

[Orange_Crush]

...and the Dems are upset...

Pics... er... Proof or it didn't happen.

 

[jmacvols1]

Pics... er... Proof or it didn't happen.

 

[utvolpj]

Massie is more doge than doge

 

[McDad]

...and the Dems are upset...

We just added a promise to track regarding these.
Would you please post in the promises and proposals thread?

 

[W.TN.Orange Blood]