President Joe Biden - Kamala Harris Administration

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Leveraging debt is quite a risk as there are no guarantees on return anywhere.
When you think about it, not paying your commitment and getting delays in your obligation is nothing but the public subsiding your student debt interest.

Pay your ****ing public debt.
 
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hog88 said:
I mention Pete because for some reason he has probably been the most vocal of the cabinet members over the past few months. That has to be by design.

And I agree with you about Michelle, if she is installed as VP Biden is toast within weeks.
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Neither would be an improvement; the dems need to be shaking trees to see if they can find anybody worthwhile. Pete and Mooch are simply a continuation of dems clicking on minority selections instead of qualifications; it really doesn't buy them anything. This kind of nonsense would only drag out their pain and show their utter incompetence when the next presidential election rolls around.
 
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GroverCleveland said:
They'll never let her be President. Way over her head. Might as well keep Joe.

Unless, they think having the first woman of color as President, regardless of how incompetent she is, will win in 2024. Pretty certain some Democrats think that is all that matters, but the ones pulling the strings, I think, realize incompetence is not getting it done. I believe if we see Harris out as VP, then Joe is toast. The scenario is all about 2024. They keep Joe, they lose. They remove Joe and let the hyena in, they lose.

Their best bet is replace hyena with Michelle as Hog says. She would have a real chance of winning if Trump is nominated again.
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There's an alternative to consider - a stopgap basically. There's nothing that would prevent dems from dumping Harris and inserting Obama as VP, and the 22 Amendment wouldn't prohibit him from becoming president again should Joe be pushed aside. Obama wouldn't be elected; he would have been appointed to fill a position and then elevated in accordance with the rules of presidential line of succession.

"No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice, and no person who has held the office of President, or acted as President, for more than two years of a term to which some other person was elected President shall be elected to the office of the President more than once."
 
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There's an alternative to consider - a stopgap basically. There's nothing that would prevent dems from dumping Harris and inserting Obama as VP, and the 22 Amendment wouldn't prohibit him from becoming president again should Joe be pushed aside. Obama wouldn't be elected; he would have been appointed to fill a position and then elevated in accordance with the rules of presidential line of succession.

"No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice, and no person who has held the office of President, or acted as President, for more than two years of a term to which some other person was elected President shall be elected to the office of the President more than once."
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The 12th amendment prevents someone not eligible to be president from being VP.
 
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hog88 said:
The 12th amendment prevents someone not eligible to be president from being VP.
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Good catch Hog..

But no person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice-President of the United States.
 
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AM64 said:
There's an alternative to consider - a stopgap basically. There's nothing that would prevent dems from dumping Harris and inserting Obama as VP, and the 22 Amendment wouldn't prohibit him from becoming president again should Joe be pushed aside. Obama wouldn't be elected; he would have been appointed to fill a position and then elevated in accordance with the rules of presidential line of succession.

"No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice, and no person who has held the office of President, or acted as President, for more than two years of a term to which some other person was elected President shall be elected to the office of the President more than once."
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Very intriguing twist to the scenario. A Gerald Ford situation. And he would not be elected to the office of Vice President either. Same thing would apply a former President who became Speaker of the House. Not an Obama fan either, but he is absolutely head and shoulders above the two current numb skulls in office.

If this all comes to pass, we're taking credit for the idea on VolNation.
 
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hog88 said:
The 12th amendment prevents someone not eligible to be president from being VP.
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Obama would only be ineligible if he ran for the office. The wording says "elected" that leaves "appointed" or "asked for the good of the country to fill". Looks like a big loophole to me.
 
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Orangeburst said:
Well...as AM64 said and bolded...elected..Hmmm.
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But as you posted the 12th says "But no person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice-President of the United States." BO would be constitutionally ineligible.
 
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hog88 said:
The 12th amendment prevents someone not eligible to be president from being VP.
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Did you mean the 22nd Amendment? If so, it explicitly refers to election to the office of President and does not refer to the office of Vice-President, although I would assume one could not be elected to the office of Vice-President after fulfilling the requirements of Presidential servitude.
 
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AM64 said:
Obama would only be ineligible if he ran for the office. The wording says "elected" that leaves "appointed" or "asked for the good of the country to fill". Looks like a big loophole to me.
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The 12th does not mention "elected".
 
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GroverCleveland said:
Did you mean the 22nd Amendment? If so, it explicitly refers to election to the office of President and does not refer to the office of Vice-President, although I would assume one could not be elected to the office of Vice-President after fulfilling the requirements of Presidential servitude.
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The 12th amendment. Last line of the preamble.

The 12th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution
 
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hog88 said:
But as you posted the 12th says "But no person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice-President of the United States." BO would be constitutionally ineligible.
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Makes for a very interesting constitutional question really: Is someone ineligible for election, but in all other ways eligible to hold the office, ineligible to hold the office?

Of course, this scenario would require action prior to the new Congress taking over. If the Republicans win the Senate, BO's chance of being appointed to the office of Vice President would be the same as the proverbial snowball's chance in you-know-where.
 
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GroverCleveland said:
Makes for a very interesting constitutional question really: Is someone ineligible for election, but in all other ways eligible to hold the office, ineligible to hold the office?

Of course, this scenario would require action prior to the new Congress taking over. If the Republicans win the Senate, Obama's chance of being appointed to the office of Vice President would be the same as the proverbial snowball's chance in you-know-where.
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Of course. Even though I think the dems will hold the senate I believe they will move on Harris prior to the new congress.
 
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hog88 said:
The 12th does not mention "elected".
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Correct, but the 22nd does specifically say elected, so in that sense if he's not running and being elected then a former two term president wouldn't be "ineligible" in the strict sense. Politicians can't get their chit straight; if they'd simply set the limit in years and not set the limit on terms it could work as you say. Even at that their intent would have been anything up to 10 years because as written a president who was bumped up (like Johnson) could serve two full terms and up to two years as a replacement.
 
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AM64 said:
Correct, but the 22nd does specifically say elected, so in that sense if he's not running and being elected then a former two term president wouldn't be "ineligible" in the strict sense. Politicians can't get their chit straight; if they'd simply set the limit in years and not set the limit on terms it could work as you say. Even at that their intent would have been anything up to 10 years because as written a president who was bumped up (like Johnson) could serve two full terms and up to two years as a replacement.
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And this introduces another twist to the Constitutional argument: Assuming the new Congress installs BO as VP, that would be with less than two years remaining. Given the restrictions, as stated, in the 12th and 22nd, would he be eligible?

These are important Constitutional issues we are resolving here, folks.
 
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AM64 said:
Correct, but the 22nd does specifically say elected, so in that sense if he's not running and being elected then a former two term president wouldn't be "ineligible" in the strict sense. Politicians can't get their chit straight; if they'd simply set the limit in years and not set the limit on terms it could work as you say. Even at that their intent would have been anything up to 10 years because as written a president who was bumped up (like Johnson) could serve two full terms and up to two years as a replacement.
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All I know is if it were to happen, I am blaming you or praising you..depending on the outcome..lol
 
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