President Joe Biden - Kamala Harris Administration

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luthervol said:
No I do not.

I agree that Ashley's words were "probably inappropriate".

I agree that the definition of "probably" is more than likely, greater than 50% chance.

I will state for the 7th time that if someone says "I saw something moving in the woods, it was probably Bigfoot"
that that in no way means that there is actually a greater than 50% chance that the person actually saw Bigfoot.

But, hey, they used the word probably and we all agree what probably means.
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you are conflating a real event with a feeling.

Her dad being in the shower is not conditional or qualified in her writing.

Her feelings towards it were. Her feelings which there are other writings on, explaining the trauma. If she includes showering with her dad in a list of events/situations of trauma I don't think you can really argue about how she feels about it. it was a negative enough of an experience to be included, regardless of the her take on its appropriateness at the time of writing.

it seems like subconsciously at least, she knows it was bad, but maybe hasn't fully accepted/understood what that means.
 
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LouderVol said:
you are conflating a real event with a feeling.

Her dad being in the shower is not conditional or qualified in her writing.

Her feelings towards it were. Her feelings which there are other writings on, explaining the trauma. If she includes showering with her dad in a list of events/situations of trauma I don't think you can really argue about how she feels about it. it was a negative enough of an experience to be included, regardless of the her take on its appropriateness at the time of writing.

it seems like subconsciously at least, she knows it was bad, but maybe hasn't fully accepted/understood what that means.
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Feelings are real events to Luther, just like him probably seeing bigfoot.
 
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luthervol said:
Yes, I am denying that I inserted the word not into her quote.

No, I am not denying that I interpreted her words of "probably inappropriate" to mean "probably not inappropriate".

Good grief you guys can be tiresome.
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So you didn't insert the word not but you interpreted it with the word "not" in it. Is that the distinction you're trying to make here?

And you can us tiresome...
 
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hog88 said:
I probably saw bigfoot in the woods means you're an idiot or were drunk, there is zero chance that you saw bigfoot.

My dad showered with me and it was probably inappropriate means there is a high likelihood that it was inappropriate.
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If someone said they absolutely positively saw bigfoot in the woods it is "almost a certainty" they did not.
 
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LouderVol said:
you are conflating a real event with a feeling.

Her dad being in the shower is not conditional or qualified in her writing.

Her feelings towards it were. Her feelings which there are other writings on, explaining the trauma. If she includes showering with her dad in a list of events/situations of trauma I don't think you can really argue about how she feels about it. it was a negative enough of an experience to be included, regardless of the her take on its appropriateness at the time of writing.

it seems like subconsciously at least, she knows it was bad, but maybe hasn't fully accepted/understood what that means.
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To me it sounds as if she is listing multiple possibilities from the vagueness of her memories through stream of consciousness in an attempt to possibly provide an exterior cause for some earlier traits and habits she now finds uncomfortable.

If/when she remembers that she was in fact abused, and the details; I hope she has the strength to go public.
 
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LouderVol said:
you are conflating a real event with a feeling.

Her dad being in the shower is not conditional or qualified in her writing.

Her feelings towards it were. Her feelings which there are other writings on, explaining the trauma. If she includes showering with her dad in a list of events/situations of trauma I don't think you can really argue about how she feels about it. it was a negative enough of an experience to be included, regardless of the her take on its appropriateness at the time of writing.

it seems like subconsciously at least, she knows it was bad, but maybe hasn't fully accepted/understood what that means.
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It seems like Joe Biden’s children are trying to intentionally out their father. One is leaving behind incriminating laptops and the other leaves behind a diary. What are the odds…
 
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luthervol said:
To me it sounds as if she is listing multiple possibilities from the vagueness of her memories through stream of consciousness in an attempt to possibly provide an exterior cause for some earlier traits and habits she now finds uncomfortable.

If/when she remembers that she was in fact abused, and the details; I hope she has the strength to go public.
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Joe Biden’s very public creepy behavior with children make me a lean yes on this one. What a weird family.

If I came to my dad and told him I was boning my dead brother’s widow he would no doubt try to knock my teeth out. And rightfully so.
 
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Sea Ray said:
So you didn't insert the word not but you interpreted it with the word "not" in it. Is that the distinction you're trying to make here?

And you can us tiresome...
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I interpreted it to mean probably not.

Others evidently interpreted it to mean certainly.....
at least based on their posts and the lack of corrective responses from others.
 
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DC_Vol said:
Joe Biden’s very public creepy behavior with children make me a lean yes on this one. What a weird family.

If I came to my dad and told him I was boning my dead brother’s widow he would no doubt try to knock my teeth out. And rightfully so.
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Luckily for us, it's a situation to which we cannot relate.

But you can speculate.
 
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luthervol said:
I interpreted it to mean probably not.

Others evidently interpreted it to mean certainly.....
at least based on their posts and the lack of corrective responses from others.
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As with everything else you "interpret" this to fit your political ideals.
 
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hog88 said:
As with everything else you "interpret" this to fit your political ideals.
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Please spare me.

Do you think it maybe fits the political ideals of the many on here who jumped straight to "interpreting" it as meaning Biden was guilty?
 
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luthervol said:
To me it sounds as if she is listing multiple possibilities from the vagueness of her memories through stream of consciousness in an attempt to possibly provide an exterior cause for some earlier traits and habits she now finds uncomfortable.

If/when she remembers that she was in fact abused, and the details; I hope she has the strength to go public.
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I think the reason for the vagueness of her memories is simply from her brain trying to protect her from the trauma. I believe that is a pretty typical response to try and just block it out, talk it down, or otherwise minimize it.

To me it reads more as a list of events that she is now understanding lead to her present condition. as she is starting to uncover that trauma, or at least recognizing it for what it was, she is seeing the impact it had on her life. realizing that she and a friend(?) were sexualized, realizing her shower with dad was "probably" inappropriate, realizing she was touched (inappropriately), realizing the problems with the neighbors. as she unpacks all of that, her understanding of those moments is changing.
 
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LouderVol said:
I think the reason for the vagueness of her memories is simply from her brain trying to protect her from the trauma. I believe that is a pretty typical response to try and just block it out, talk it down, or otherwise minimize it.

To me it reads more as a list of events that she is now understanding lead to her present condition. as she is starting to uncover that trauma, or at least recognizing it for what it was, she is seeing the impact it had on her life. realizing that she and a friend(?) were sexualized, realizing her shower with dad was "probably" inappropriate, realizing she was touched (inappropriately), realizing the problems with the neighbors. as she unpacks all of that, her understanding of those moments is changing.
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Maybe, maybe not. We can't really know until she provides more info, if she ever chooses to do so.

And that was my position from the start!!
 
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luthervol said:
Now you're getting it.
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But you aren't. The point (and I'm not the first to make it) is that when you start with an absurdity "probably" was never in play. It is NEVER "probably" bigfoot. Occam's Razor goes full Edward Sissorhands on that ish right out of the gate.

Now a daughter going over something in her mind where she would make a point to phrase something her dad did as "probably" bad it then becomes "likely" she considered it bad.

Question to the board...does Ashley hate her dad? I ask because in writing a diary that one assumes won't be going public and had no animosity towards her father he'd be given the benefit of the doubt, wouldn't he?
 
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hndog609 said:
But you aren't. The point (and I'm not the first to make it) is that when you start with an absurdity "probably" was never in play. It is NEVER "probably" bigfoot. Occam's Razor goes full Edward Sissorhands on that ish right out of the gate.

Now a daughter going over something in her mind where she would make a point to phrase something her dad did as "probably" bad it then becomes "likely" she considered it bad.

Question to the board...does Ashley hate her dad? I ask because in writing a diary that one assumes won't be going public and had no animosity towards her father he'd be given the benefit of the doubt, wouldn't he?
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Your Occam/sissorhand shtick has a few giant holes.

One man's absurdity is another man's reality.

How many people in 2015 found the prospect of trump becoming president beyond absurd?

I'm sure Ashley has/had a range of ever changing emotions toward her dad.
I'm thinking in many diaries you would likely find a child talking about how they hate their parent on one page and how much they love their parent two pages later.
It's the nature of a diary.
It's the nature of stream of consciousness writings.
 
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