President Joe Biden - Kamala Harris Administration

[BigOrangeTrain]

Small. Are you ready to get rid of SS and Medicare?

Nobody is getting rid of either one. That’s a gaslighting issue both sides use.

 

[McDad]

Small. Are you ready to get rid of SS and Medicare?

I am.

Ready to take reduce military spending by 90%, too.

I will agree to any spending reduction on any program. You name it, I'll slash it.

 

[Orangeburst]

How many more schemes can form this web? I see talk of the gov taking over the Fed and becoming a central bank. We are going to have to default and it will probably go digital currency.

 

[jmacvols1]

Nobody is getting rid of either one. That’s a gaslighting issue both sides use.

Then volfanhill is full of hot air in getting rid of deficit spending ad debt.

 

[jmacvols1]

I am.

Ready to take reduce military spending by 90%, too.

I will agree to any spending reduction on any program. You name it, I'll slash it.

I'm for cuts all around too starting with wasteful spending and socialized programs that are failing and bankrupting (financially and morally) the country while stealing an ungodly amount of wealth away from taxpayers.

 

[McDad]

I'm for cuts all around too starting with wasteful spending and socialized programs that are failing and bankrupting (financially and morally) the country while stealing an ungodly amount of wealth away from taxpayers.

If politicians campaigning for office spoke what you wanted to hear in every other way except they wanted to cut all departments equally ...social, defense, and all others, would you vote for those people?

 

[LouderVol]

Small. Are you ready to get rid of SS and Medicare?

hell yeah. time for them old fudgers to grow up and carry their own weight instead of being socialist freeloaders taking more than they put in.

 

[utvolpj]

I'm for cuts all around too starting with wasteful spending and socialized programs that are failing and bankrupting (financially and morally) the country while stealing an ungodly amount of wealth away from taxpayers.

Hopefully including huge cuts to defense in that "wasteful spending" bucket.

 

[jmacvols1]

If politicians campaigning for office spoke what you wanted to hear in every other way except they wanted to cut all departments equally ...social, defense, and all others, would you vote for those people?

No, they do not need to be all cut equally...some spending, as on defense, is more important than other spending.

 

[hog88]

No, they do not need to be all cut equally...some spending, as on defense, is more important than other spending.

Defense spending could be butchered, way too much money is wasted on flag grade pet projects, social initiatives and plain stupidity. Cut those out and that's probably close to 1/2 the defense budget.

 

[jmacvols1]

hell yeah. time for them old fudgers to grow up and carry their own weight instead of being socialist freeloaders taking more than they put in.

....and this is why the system is bankrupt. It has been proven if those 'old fudgers' had been allowed to save their own money and invested it they would b e better off. Why do you think the Dems excluded themselves from SS when they enacted it?

 

[McDad]

No, they do not need to be all cut equally...some spending, as on defense, is more important than other spending.

This attitude in DC is the root of the problem we are agreeing needs fixed.

You want "their" sacred cows to get less while yours get the same.

It's a non starter.

 

[jmacvols1]

Hopefully including huge cuts to defense in that "wasteful spending" bucket.

There is wasteful spending in defence as in overpaying money to defence contracts remember paying hundreds of dollars for toilet seats. Corruption is part of the problem.

Dept. of Hundred-Dollar Toilet Seats (Published 1986)

www.nytimes.com

 

[jmacvols1]

Defense spending could be butchered, way too much money is wasted on flag grade pet projects, social initiatives and plain stupidity. Cut those out and that's probably close to 1/2 the defense budget.

I'm for cutting out the wasteful and corrupt spending.

 

[hog88]

I'm for cutting out the wasteful and corrupt spending.

If you can find it watch the movie "The Pentagon Wars" its a movie about the development of the Bradley. It's probably pretty close to accurate in it's obserdity.

 

[W.TN.Orange Blood]

 

[jmacvols1]

This attitude in DC is the root of the problem we are agreeing needs fixed.

You want "their" sacred cows to get less while yours get the same.

It's a non starter.

The Federal gov't never had the right to get into all they have gotten into and have the control over people's lives they now have. The Fed. gov't never should have been allowed to get into people's finances (SS) or healthcare (Obamacare) education, etc. All the Fed gov't should be doing is providing for defense of the country, build some prisons. roads, bridges, parks, libraries....

 

[jmacvols1]

If you can find it watch the movie "The Pentagon Wars" its a movie about the development of the Bradley. It's probably pretty close to accurate in it's obserdity.

Politicians and their relatives, friends, cronies get rich off of gov't contracts...part of the bureaucratic corruption. Money gets funneled all around to all the pockets in DC.

 

[hog88]

Politicians and their relatives, friends, cronies get rich off of gov't contracts...part of the bureaucratic corruption. Money gets funneled all around to all the pockets in DC.

I hope you're including the politicians also known as Senior Military Officers in that statement.

 

[jmacvols1]

I hope you're including the politicians also known as Senior Military Officers in that statement.

Of course. Politics is a rich person''s business and there is politics in the military, gov't healthcare (Fauci), and other gov't institutions.

 

[McDad]

The Federal gov't never had the right to get into all they have gotten into and have the control over people's lives they now have. The Fed. gov't never should have been allowed to get into people's finances (SS) or healthcare (Obamacare) education, etc. All the Fed gov't should be doing is providing for defense of the country, build some prisons. roads, bridges, parks, libraries....

Here's what I want you to understand about my point of view:

You are right. And you can cling tightly to the rightness of your position while America speeds towards a financial cliff. In a sense, it is like you are observing the speed limit and fussing at the people whizzing past you but it doesn't matter because the bridge is out up ahead. Every president and congress, save Clinton/Gingrinch has added to the problem. No politician has the moral high ground. So what has happened and who was wrong and the programs which are unconstitutional are all dead weight dragging us down. I don't see any path out of the mess...to be honest, i doubt we will get out of the mess....without both sides making sacrifices. And they will have to do that no matter who is right and who is wrong.

 

[TheDeeble]

Here's what I want you to understand about my point of view:

You are right. And you can cling tightly to the rightness of your position while America speeds towards a financial cliff. In a sense, it is like you are observing the speed limit and fussing at the people whizzing past you but it doesn't matter because the bridge is out up ahead. Every president and congress, save Clinton/Gingrinch has added to the problem. No politician has the moral high ground. So what has happened and who was wrong and the programs which are unconstitutional are all dead weight dragging us down. I don't see any path out of the mess...to be honest, i doubt we will get out of the mess....without both sides making sacrifices. And they will have to do that no matter who is right and who is wrong.

Clinton added to the debt. Every year. Not always much though. But even the year he had a budget surplus the debt still ended the fiscal year higher than it started because he didn't apply said surplus to paying off debt. The debt hasn't gone down from one fiscal year to the next since like 1956 or 57.

But I agree with everything else. There is no real path. No side will make sacrifices. They will continue spending as they are until we hit another fiscal crisis. And then there will be emergency bills, powers, ect to "solve" it. And they will continue deficit spending.

 

[jmacvols1]

Here's what I want you to understand about my point of view:

You are right. And you can cling tightly to the rightness of your position while America speeds towards a financial cliff. In a sense, it is like you are observing the speed limit and fussing at the people whizzing past you but it doesn't matter because the bridge is out up ahead. Every president and congress, save Clinton/Gingrinch has added to the problem. No politician has the moral high ground. So what has happened and who was wrong and the programs which are unconstitutional are all dead weight dragging us down. I don't see any path out of the mess...to be honest, i doubt we will get out of the mess....without both sides making sacrifices. And they will have to do that no matter who is right and who is wrong.

A problem is good people get elected to fix the problem then they get corrupted by the system.

By the way, Clinton as you know is a liar and he always lied about the budget surpluses he claimed to have created. The Fed gov't has two forms of debt, public and intergovernmetnal debt. All Clinton did was trade out one debt (public) for intergovernmental debt. Clinton basically raided social security and used the money to pay down public debt yet increased intergovernmental debt for that money has to be paid back to Soc Sec adm. At one time SOC Sec Admin was the gov'ts biggest lender. Yet the corrupt bookkeeping at CBO do not count intergovernmental debt as real debt so Clinton claims he ran surpluses and paid down the public debt.

The bean counters at the treasury department count all debt and when CLinton's massive intergovermental debt is included he ran deficit spending and added about one and half trillion to nations debt.

Don't believe me?

Debt to the Penny | U.S. Treasury Fiscal Data

Debt to the Penny is the total debt of the U.S. government and is reported daily. It is made up of intragovernmental holdings and debt held by the public.

fiscaldata.treasury.gov

The treasury keeps track of the nations daily debt for last several decades.

The Fed gov't fiscal year runs from Oct 1 to Sept 30.

Look at what the debt was on Sept 30th each of the 8 years Clinton had a budget and you will see that from the first year to the 8th year the debt increased by one and half trillion. You will also find a debt INCREASE each and every year. If there was a surplus as Clinton claimed the debt would have decreased from one to the next but again there was an INCREASE each and every year when ALL debt is counted.

 

[McDad]

Clinton added to the debt. Every year. Not always much though. But even the year he had a budget surplus the debt still ended the fiscal year higher than it started because he didn't apply said surplus to paying off debt. The debt hasn't gone down from one fiscal year to the next since like 1956 or 57.

But I agree with everything else. There is no real path. No side will make sacrifices. They will continue spending as they are until we hit another fiscal crisis. And then there will be emergency bills, powers, ect to "solve" it. And they will continue deficit spending.

Very true. I am generous with 1999-2000 because it only increased a fraction comparatively.

 

[hog88]

A problem is good people get elected to fix the problem then they get corrupted by the system.

By the way, Clinton as you know is a liar and he always lied about the budget surpluses he claimed to have created. The Fed gov't has two forms of debt, public and intergovernmetnal debt. All Clinton did was trade out one debt (public) for intergovernmental debt. Clinton basically raided social security and used the money to pay down public debt yet increased intergovernmental debt for they money has to be paid back to Soc Sec adm. At one time SOC Sec Admin was the gov'ts biggest lender. Yet the corrupt bookkeeping at CBO do not count intergovernmental debt as real debt so Clinton claims he ran surpluses and paid down the public debt.

The bean counters at the treasury department count all debt and when CLinton's massive intergovermental debt is included he ran deficit spending and added about one and half trillion to nations debt.

Don't believe me?

Debt to the Penny | U.S. Treasury Fiscal Data

Debt to the Penny is the total debt of the U.S. government and is reported daily. It is made up of intragovernmental holdings and debt held by the public.

fiscaldata.treasury.gov

The treasury keeps track of the nations daily debt for last several decades.

The Fed gov't fiscal year runs from Oct 1 to Sept 30.

Look at what the debt was on Sept 30th each of the 8 years Clinton had a budget and you will see that from the first year to the 8th year the debt increased by one and half trillion. You will also find a debt INCREASE each and every year. If there was a surplus as Clinton claimed the debt would have decreased from one to the next but again there was an INCREASE each and every year when ALL debt is counted.

Who's the last "good people" you saw get elected?