Project Veritas: PBS Counsel Says Trump Supporters’ Children Should Be Taken, Put in ‘Re-Education Camps’

[utvolpj]

Can we change the title of the thread to "An Unemployed Lawyer Says..."

LG got fired? That sucks

 

[clarencepeabody]

I don't believe you for one second.
I was not there, the ones who assaulted the Capitol police should be prosecuted I really don't have an issue with the others. Maybe charge them with trespassing but that's about all
I have more of a problem with your friends destroying private property than I do the Capitol

Then we agree. Those who didn't destroy the capitol were completely within their legal right to protest.

Why do you say you don't agree? Is it not possible that a republican can disagree with Trump and/or the actions of the crowd he stirred up? Seems to be happening with McConnell, Cheney, Katko, Sasse, Murkowski and others...

 

[Grand Vol]

Not sure what that means, but I'd take it as disagreement. Which is fine. I guess I would just like to understand what it is that the pro-Trump crowd really wants. Instead of calling people "liberal" or "you and your kind," I'm asking you to help me understand what you want and hope for our country...

Well, first off, we'd like for you to stop calling it a terrorist incident. Or an insurrection. Or anything of the type. Even "riot" is stretching the truth here.

Let's start there and move forward, shall we?

 

[ajvol01]

I guess I understood his silence on impeachment as lack of support. But you make a good point.

And I guess I should rephrase, I'm still a republican (or align with republican values), I just don't believe that Trump is or has been good for our country, and its future. I know that's an unpopular opinion here, but that's how I feel. And clearly, more than half the country is put out with his leadership.

I'm not here to argue or spew hate, and I do believe that our country could use more "love one another" towards every race or creed. Isn't that where unity comes from? Maybe the idea of "unity" isn't a popular opinion here either. But that's my opinion, so here we are.

Unity to many on the left requires compliance with leftist views.

Just because someone says they want “unity” doesn’t mean they respect differing beliefs or opinions.

 

[Sea Ray]

Not sure what that means, but I'd take it as disagreement. Which is fine. I guess I would just like to understand what it is that the pro-Trump crowd really wants. Instead of calling people "liberal" or "you and your kind," I'm asking you to help me understand what you want and hope for our country...

This Trump voter wants the Democrats to put up with him for one more week and not call him names, not start impeachment hearings and respect that 74 million voters disagree with them. That's all. Let him leave on Jan 20th just like any other outgoing President. Is that too much to ask?

 

[clarencepeabody]

I think it did stop short of terrorism but certain parts of this protest was violent, destructive and lives were lost. So I agree with a lot of what you said but where were you when these kinds of acts were happening over the summer led by Black Lives Matter? I've looked over your posting history. Nowhere did you call those acts of terror nor denounce it in any way.

That's fair. And to be honest, I'm not as "regular" to VN as most people. I'm a die-hard Vol fan, so most of my posts have to do with football. And right now, I'm in-between meetings and actually came on here because I was curious to hear the discussion. Not trying to hate on anybody or call your opinions wrong. And yes, I DENOUNCE the acts of violence committed over the summer in every way. Peaceful protest is a cornerstone of free speech. Violence and destruction of property is not.

 

[ajvol01]

This Trump voter wants the Democrats to put up with him for one more week and not call him names, not start impeachment hearings and respect that 74 million voters disagree with them. That's all. Let him leave on Jan 20th just like any other outgoing President. Is that too much to ask?

Apparently it is

 

[GSD82]

This Trump voter wants the Democrats to put up with him for one more week and not call him names, not start impeachment hearings and respect that 74 million voters disagree with them. That's all. Let him leave on Jan 20th just like any other outgoing President. Is that too much to ask?

Yes it is too much to ask because you know they don't want peace and unity, they want to punish Trump for winning in 2016 and punish every single person who voted for him.

 

[clarencepeabody]

Unity to many on the left requires compliance with leftist views.

Just because someone says the want “unity” doesn’t mean they respect differing beliefs or opinions.

That's a good point. We might all have differing opinions and could argue them all day long, but at the end of the day, we're all Americans. So while I disagree with some of what people on here say, I certainly don't want to restrict you from having your own point of view.

 

[hog88]

To answer, I’d define it as upholding the morals and values our country was founded on. Yes, free speech is one of those. But that stops short of undermining the essence of democracy or destroying the nation’s capitol. Much less endangering the lives of leaders and public servants.

But I’d define the core values of this country as honesty, integrity, and truth in transparency. I can think of more instances where Trump opposed those, than he supported.

The "morals and values" that this country was founded on were tossed to the wind over a hundred years ago. 1st by Lincoln then by the 16th and 17th amendments, the Volstead Act and FDRs internment of American citizens during WWII.

Our "leaders" stopped being servants to the citizens decades ago and should have a healthy fear of us, much of our problems now are directly related to the fact they have no fear of the citizenry and look upon us as subjects to manipulate and control.

 

[clarencepeabody]

This Trump voter wants the Democrats to put up with him for one more week and not call him names, not start impeachment hearings and respect that 74 million voters disagree with them. That's all. Let him leave on Jan 20th just like any other outgoing President. Is that too much to ask?

Of course not. I don't disagree with that at all. Do I think Pelosi and company go overboard with trying to make their point? Absolutely. But do I also think that many of the threats of "attacks on capitol buildings" are helping to create some anxiety? Yeah, I think that's true too.

 

[Sea Ray]

That's fair. And to be honest, I'm not as "regular" to VN as most people. I'm a die-hard Vol fan, so most of my posts have to do with football. And right now, I'm in-between meetings and actually came on here because I was curious to hear the discussion. Not trying to hate on anybody or call your opinions wrong. And yes, I DENOUNCE the acts of violence committed over the summer in every way. Peaceful protest is a cornerstone of free speech. Violence and destruction of property is not.

I supported Trump because of his policies not his personality. Now I want unity for the country and that responsibility falls on Biden. He could do a lot to achieve this by publicly calling for an end to another impeachment. Have an open mind and see that Biden's actions do not reflect his words of unity.

 

[Sea Ray]

Of course not. I don't disagree with that at all. Do I think Pelosi and company go overboard with trying to make their point? Absolutely. But do I also think that many of the threats of "attacks on capitol buildings" are helping to create some anxiety? Yeah, I think that's true too.

Because some idiots attacked the Capitol Building the response should be impeachment of a guy who's got less than a week left? That's insane

 

[clarencepeabody]

The "morals and values" that this country was founded on were tossed to the wind over a hundred years ago. 1st by Lincoln then by the 16th and 17th amendments, the Volstead Act and FDRs internment of American citizens during WWII.

Our "leaders" stopped being servants to the citizens decades ago and should have a healthy fear of us, much of our problems now are directly related to the fact they have no fear of the citizenry and look upon us as subjects to manipulate and control.

So is that what it's about? (Again, I'm trying to understand more) Leaders having a "healthy fear" of constituents? Because I DO understand that. I also agree there are many flaws in our leadership's history. Like with the 16th amendment, as you referenced. But if the frustration over "not being heard" (for lack of a better term) has boiled over, then I guess it makes more sense why people (on 1/6) seemed so enraged.

 

[clarencepeabody]

Because some idiots attacked the Capitol Building the response should be impeachment of a guy who's got less than a week left? That's insane

Don't disagree with that at all.

 

[vol445]

I’ll make a prediction. Biden/Harris will face multiple impeachment’s. I’ll also say his picks have been further from left than I thought they would be. I also think Republican Party will see a severe ousting of majority of their members not by the left but by the gop voters

 

[hog88]

Well, first off, we'd like for you to stop calling it a terrorist incident. Or an insurrection. Or anything of the type. Even "riot" is stretching the truth here.

Let's start there and move forward, shall we?

It was a riot and even though I initially poo pooed the idea of calling it an insurrection I can see why some would call it that. BUT no matter what it's called the perpetrators are being charged and rounded up as they should be so I don't get why people are still pearl clutching over it. It was no worse, actually it was nowhere near as bad as many of the riots we had this summer.

 

[clarencepeabody]

Well, first off, we'd like for you to stop calling it a terrorist incident. Or an insurrection. Or anything of the type. Even "riot" is stretching the truth here.

Let's start there and move forward, shall we?

No matter what you call it, people died, property was destroyed, and countless people were horrified. Not just at the capitol, but in many events over the summer at other protests. i don't support or condone any of them.

 

[n_huffhines]

Shouldn't we be lamenting the fact that this guy got canceled for his espoused political beliefs? I thought that's what everybody does around here.

 

[luthervol]

This Trump voter wants the Democrats to put up with him for one more week and not call him names, not start impeachment hearings and respect that 74 million voters disagree with them. That's all. Let him leave on Jan 20th just like any other outgoing President. Is that too much to ask?

He would have been treated like any other outgoing President had he acted even remotely like any previous outgoing President.
Why would you expect him to be treated like other Presidents when you don't expect him to act like one?

Had he conceded when it was obvious that he had lost, none of this would have happened.

 

[hog88]

So is that what it's about? (Again, I'm trying to understand more) Leaders having a "healthy fear" of constituents? Because I DO understand that. I also agree there are many flaws in our leadership's history. Like with the 16th amendment, as you referenced. But if the frustration over "not being heard" (for lack of a better term) has boiled over, then I guess it makes more sense why people (on 1/6) seemed so enraged.

People are enraged and to a point rightfully so. This election and it's results were handled as badly as it could have possibly been handled by all involved.

 

[clarencepeabody]

Anyway, like I said, I just came in here because I was in-between meetings (and the next one starts in 2 minutes), but I do thank you guys (and girls?) for the chance to just have a civil discussion. Above everything else, I'm pro-America, and this conversation has helped me understand a lot. Maybe we will talk again sometime soon. Y'all have a good day.

 

[hog88]

I’ll make a prediction. Biden/Harris will face multiple impeachment’s. I’ll also say his picks have been further from left than I thought they would be. I also think Republican Party will see a severe ousting of majority of their members not by the left but by the gop voters

Harris/Biden will see no impeachments, the GOP has again lost it's backbone. It's back to the post Newt GOP now and will be a go along to get along and get reelected party.

 

[hog88]

No matter what you call it, people died, property was destroyed, and countless people were horrified. Not just at the capitol, but in many events over the summer at other protests. i don't support or condone any of them.

People being horrified should count for nothing.

 

[hog88]

Anyway, like I said, I just came in here because I was in-between meetings (and the next one starts in 2 minutes), but I do thank you guys (and girls?) for the chance to just have a civil discussion. Above everything else, I'm pro-America, and this conversation has helped me understand a lot. Maybe we will talk again sometime soon. Y'all have a good day.

Come back. Civil discussions are always welcome.