Proof of the election fraud

[whodeycin85]

Agreed, and the error is admitted. Things didn't run perfectly. They rarely do. This doesn't compare to what happened in Dade and Broward County, Florida in 2000, however.

Agreed, how many errors are allowed before some wrongdoing is suspected? How often?

 

[Gandalf]

I'm sure @BowlBrother85 will have no problem at all telling us why this is perfectly legal and not the least bit suspicious. I agreed with him in his argument that Mark Meadows needs to be investigated and prosecuted if he willingly committed this fraud but he will never ever concede its fraud if doesn't directly implicate a Republican.

Ha, pretty stupid. Must have forgotten to sign that batch when she marked them up at home or wherever the operations center is.

The reason that is extra specially stupid is because, if you want to forge them correctly, you need the signature books (probably in tablet form now) so you have an exemplar. The county parties will have these from the election board (its the same one that election day workers use to compare with). That way the forger has a legit signature to base it off of and can almost trace it. THIS way, it's almost impossible to challenge because the sig looks good enough when accepted and then once accepted into the pile, you have no way of knowing where the ballot came from. But people (not always the brightest sort) sometimes get sloppy and have to do things quickly - and that is how you can catch them (maybe).

Thats also the way you get your sig right if you have to have your bus go to the polls on election day - but lets not give away too many secrets at once.

 

[BowlBrother85]

Ha, pretty stupid. Must have forgotten to sign that batch when she marked them up at home or wherever the operations center is.

The reason that is extra specially stupid is because, if you want to forge them correctly, you need the signature books (probably in tablet form now) so you have an exemplar. The county parties will have these from the election board (its the same one that election day workers use to compare with). That way the forger has a legit signature to base it off of and can almost trace it. THIS way, it's almost impossible to challenge because the sig looks good enough when accepted and then once accepted into the pile, you have no way of knowing where the ballot came from. But people (not always the brightest sort) sometimes get sloppy and have to do things quickly - and that is how you can catch them (maybe).

Thats also the way you get your sig right if you have to have your bus go to the polls on election day - but lets not give away too many secrets at once.

There is a legitimate reason, under Michigan law, as to why she could have been required to sign her name to envelopes containing other people's ballots.

"If a voter was unable to mark their own ballot and received assistance in doing so, the person assisting the voter must also sign the envelope."

I suspect the pundits in that video were keenly aware of that possibility, and that is why they were careful not to show her face.

* Now, it is also possible that she was committing forgery, but the burden of proof would rest with the people making such an accusation, and they would need more information to build their case against her, than what is shown in that one video.

 

[AM64]

Ha, pretty stupid. Must have forgotten to sign that batch when she marked them up at home or wherever the operations center is.

The reason that is extra specially stupid is because, if you want to forge them correctly, you need the signature books (probably in tablet form now) so you have an exemplar. The county parties will have these from the election board (its the same one that election day workers use to compare with). That way the forger has a legit signature to base it off of and can almost trace it. THIS way, it's almost impossible to challenge because the sig looks good enough when accepted and then once accepted into the pile, you have no way of knowing where the ballot came from. But people (not always the brightest sort) sometimes get sloppy and have to do things quickly - and that is how you can catch them (maybe).

Thats also the way you get your sig right if you have to have your bus go to the polls on election day - but lets not give away too many secrets at once.

The signature concept is not really that good in the first place. We don't write nearly as much as we used to, and I know my handwriting shows that. My signature today really doesn't look identical at all to the way it was 40+ years ago when I registered to vote here. I've always used my middle name since it's what my parents called me from birth; and until more recently when people got more touchy over signatures, I often signed with my middle name rather than the first name (which is even less practiced and sloppier). We need a better plan, Stan - even a thumbprint would be better.

 

[ClearwaterVol]

The signature concept is not really that good in the first place. We don't write nearly as much as we used to, and I know my handwriting shows that. My signature today really doesn't look identical at all to the way it was 40+ years ago when I registered to vote here. I've always used my middle name since it's what my parents called me from birth; and until more recently when people got more touchy over signatures, I often signed with my middle name rather than the first name (which is even less practiced and sloppier). We need a better plan, Stan - even a thumbprint would be better.

My signature looks different almost every time.

 

[AM64]

My signature looks different almost every time.

Mine resembles the last time (at least the spelling), but I may go weeks between signing something, and that practice makes perfect thing is completely lost. My first name starts with a "G", and it's one letter I never really mastered even with all the practice we did in school in the 50s.

 

[Gandalf]

There is a legitimate reason, under Michigan law, as to why she could have been required to sign her name to envelopes containing other people's ballots.

"If a voter was unable to mark their own ballot and received assistance in doing so, the person assisting the voter must also sign the envelope."

I suspect the pundits in that video were keenly aware of that possibility, and that is why they were careful not to show her face.

* Now, it is also possible that she was committing forgery, but the burden of proof would rest with the people making such an accusation, and they would need more information to build their case against her, than what is shown in that one video.

Btw when you work with the senior centers, election officials would have to go there 1x1 repxdem and then if they couldnt write you could fill it out for them and sign it for them. But it was done with a counter party.

True that video certainly wouldnt convict her by itself, mostly because you dont know which ballots it was connected to. See? Thats the nifty thing about this kind of crime, its so easy to get away with and almost no one is ever caught. (thats also why all you calling for PROOF of election fraud in 2020, I laugh)

What annoys me is that you know this woman is cheating, I know it and anyone watching this knows. But just because she didnt get drug into court and put in jail doesnt mean she didnt do it,

But what irks me is then you and the rest of the left say SEE? there is no evidence of cheating and GOP calls for id checks and getting rid of mail in voting is RACIST. You know what you are doing. Its just a naked cheat for your side, I mean if people are dumb enough to let you get away with it fine but stop trying to cloak it in morality.

 

[BowlBrother85]

Btw when you work with the senior centers, election officials would have to go there 1x1 repxdem and then if they couldnt write you could fill it out for them and sign it for them. But it was done with a counter party.

True that video certainly wouldnt convict her by itself, mostly because you dont know which ballots it was connected to. See? Thats the nifty thing about this kind of crime, its so easy to get away with and almost no one is ever caught. (thats also why all you calling for PROOF of election fraud in 2020, I laugh)

What annoys me is that you know this woman is cheating, I know it and anyone watching this knows. But just because she didnt get drug into court and put in jail doesnt mean she didnt do it,

But what irks me is then you and the rest of the left say SEE? there is no evidence of cheating and GOP calls for id checks and getting rid of mail in voting is RACIST. You know what you are doing. Its just a naked cheat for your side, I mean if people are dumb enough to let you get away with it fine but stop trying to cloak it in morality.

I don't agree with you. I don't know that she was cheating. Where do you (and the commentators in the video) get off accusing someone of forgery, when:

1) You don't even know her name, or the names of the people that those ballots belonged to.

2) You don't know what name she signed to the envelopes. Was it her name, or did she forge someone else's name? That can not be determined by only watching that one video.

3) Finally, it is ridiculous for you to say that you laugh whenever you are asked to provide proof, after accusing people who you don't even know of committing felonies. If you want your accusations to be taken seriously, then you should be prepared to show some proof. An unbiased person is not going to just take your word for it, but it seems like that's what you expect to happen.

 

[Vol Main]

Democratic aircraft delivering voting machines from communist China to Arizona.

 

[BowlBrother85]

I don’t know, but I’m struggling to identify a reason to match the signature of the person doing the assisting. There’s no need, that I’m aware of, to establish their identity. There’s no rule, that I know of, requiring that they be a family member, or that they can only assist one person.

The point of the post was that there is a Michigan law that provides a non-fraud explanation for this. It took me less than 2 minutes to find it, copy and paste into this thread, and even spend some time in edit trying to get the forum to stop separating the subsection title from the text.

This seems like a pretty unreliable news source.

Exactly. Once again, good post!

 

[OrangeTsar]

Do you believe Trump legitimately LOST the election?

I believe that in the system we have in place, he was declared the loser by the people constitutionally empowered to make the call and since no court would grant him judicial relief to prove anything to the contrary that Joe Biden is the legitimate President of the United States. To do otherwise is to deny the rule of law. So in that sense, he „legitimately“ lost. To claim otherwise is the beginning of the path to chaos and anarchy.
I do believe that there were some strange and suspicious cases reported that deserve to be fully investigated to increase confidence in future elections; but none of these were big enough to change the outcome of the election IMO. So yeah, that book is closed for me and it doesn’t help anyone to hope to somehow overturn the result. It is actually a distraction from the MUCH more important work of preparing for November 2022 where we can „legitimately“ win a set of very important elections to begin to legitimately block the cray cray agenda of the legitimately elected Biden. Take the loss and get ready for the next game, just like Vols football

 

[Vol Main]

I believe that in the system we have in place, he was declared the loser by the people constitutionally empowered to make the call and since no court would grant him judicial relief to prove anything to the contrary that Joe Biden is the legitimate President of the United States. To do otherwise is to deny the rule of law. So in that sense, he „legitimately“ lost. To claim otherwise is the beginning of the path to chaos and anarchy.
I do believe that there were some strange and suspicious cases reported that deserve to be fully investigated to increase confidence in future elections; but none of these were big enough to change the outcome of the election IMO. So yeah, that book is closed for me and it doesn’t help anyone to hope to somehow overturn the result. It is actually a distraction from the MUCH more important work of preparing for November 2022 where we can „legitimately“ win a set of very important elections to begin to legitimately block the cray cray agenda of the legitimately elected Biden. Take the loss and get ready for the next game, just like Vols football

"since no court would grant him judicial relief to prove anything to the contrary..." You're lying. Just because some judges did not recognize plaintiff's standing does not mean that other judges denied it. Some of the suits did go to trial. When a judge who did recognize the suit asked Trump's lawyers if they had evidence of fraud in the 2020 election, they replied that they did not and were not alleging fraud.

 

[luthervol]

I believe that in the system we have in place, he was declared the loser by the people constitutionally empowered to make the call and since no court would grant him judicial relief to prove anything to the contrary that Joe Biden is the legitimate President of the United States. To do otherwise is to deny the rule of law. So in that sense, he „legitimately“ lost. To claim otherwise is the beginning of the path to chaos and anarchy.
I do believe that there were some strange and suspicious cases reported that deserve to be fully investigated to increase confidence in future elections; but none of these were big enough to change the outcome of the election IMO. So yeah, that book is closed for me and it doesn’t help anyone to hope to somehow overturn the result. It is actually a distraction from the MUCH more important work of preparing for November 2022 where we can „legitimately“ win a set of very important elections to begin to legitimately block the cray cray agenda of the legitimately elected Biden. Take the loss and get ready for the next game, just like Vols football

So yes? Good, I do as well.

 

[Velo Vol]

 

[NurseGoodVol]

Election Integrity: Review of Notable State Legislation and Issues - UncoverDC

 

[Orangeburst]

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[Gandalf]

2000 Mules Documentary Provides Compelling Evidence That 2020 Election Was Stolen › American Greatness

In the movie, True the Vote reveals that it also analyzed cell phone pings from some of the 2020 riots, and found that many of the Black Lives Matter and Antifa radicals who were involved in the riots went on to become ballot traffickers.

Each trafficker—or mule—went to an average of 23 ballot drop boxes,” according to the researchers. The mules collected ballots from stash houses in the targeted areas and deposited them in drop boxes—often in the wee hours of the morning, from 1:00 to 5:00 a.m.

Over the course of several weeks, the vote traffickers made multiple trips to drop boxes using gloves to conceal their fingerprints, and taking photos to secure payment. D’Souza notes that the traffickers started wearing gloves a few days after a ballot harvesting case in Arizona secured indictments based on fingerprint evidence.

True the Vote estimates that 20 thousand votes were illegally trafficked in Arizona, 14 thousand in Wisconsin, 275 thousand in Pennsylvania, 125 thousand in Michigan, and 30 thousand in Georgia, totaling 380 thousand votes, which is more than enough to sway the election. Minus these illegal ballots, Trump’s Electoral College votes would have been 279 to Biden’s 259, D’Souza says.

The organization notes that these numbers are based on the definition of a mule as “at least 10 visits to drop boxes.”

” If the bar is lowered to count those making at least 5 visits, the estimated affected votes increases by more than double,” the group says.

This was far more widespread than I would have guessed initially. It would have required significant coordination with a sizeable grass roots org like the local Dem party apparatus or BLM/Antifa. This is simply a magnified version of what the locals usually do but seems too smart for them to have done without too many people being in the know.

So my guess is 8-10 guys like me who are working for the national campaign (maybe 2 per swing state) but who are funded separately by zuck or something like him,. They in turn are coordinating with the Antifa org who was running their local teams. Still I would think there had to be some coordination with the local machines with this to know where best to glean the ballots.

Point is, if they actually started digging, they will find someone to squeal and roll upward. This is full on RICO and some prosecutor simply needs to get his ass in gear. Not going to come out of Biden DOJ or FBI of course but for somebody, this would be a career making case.

Previously, I had thought they were doing it with fewer people "in the know" but it seems clear here that the mules were at least partially aware of the criminality. Doing it this way there were enough people who had some knowledge that you can get someone to break into the conspiracy and to begin to roll up the chain to the leaders. Rudy used to make his bones off of this stuff but he has gotten rusty.

 

[VolinWayne]

2000 Mules Documentary Provides Compelling Evidence That 2020 Election Was Stolen › American Greatness

In the movie, True the Vote reveals that it also analyzed cell phone pings from some of the 2020 riots, and found that many of the Black Lives Matter and Antifa radicals who were involved in the riots went on to become ballot traffickers.

Each trafficker—or mule—went to an average of 23 ballot drop boxes,” according to the researchers. The mules collected ballots from stash houses in the targeted areas and deposited them in drop boxes—often in the wee hours of the morning, from 1:00 to 5:00 a.m.

Over the course of several weeks, the vote traffickers made multiple trips to drop boxes using gloves to conceal their fingerprints, and taking photos to secure payment. D’Souza notes that the traffickers started wearing gloves a few days after a ballot harvesting case in Arizona secured indictments based on fingerprint evidence.

True the Vote estimates that 20 thousand votes were illegally trafficked in Arizona, 14 thousand in Wisconsin, 275 thousand in Pennsylvania, 125 thousand in Michigan, and 30 thousand in Georgia, totaling 380 thousand votes, which is more than enough to sway the election. Minus these illegal ballots, Trump’s Electoral College votes would have been 279 to Biden’s 259, D’Souza says.

The organization notes that these numbers are based on the definition of a mule as “at least 10 visits to drop boxes.”

” If the bar is lowered to count those making at least 5 visits, the estimated affected votes increases by more than double,” the group says.

This was far more widespread than I would have guessed initially. It would have required significant coordination with a sizeable grass roots org like the local Dem party apparatus or BLM/Antifa. This is simply a magnified version of what the locals usually do but seems too smart for them to have done without too many people being in the know.

So my guess is 8-10 guys like me who are working for the national campaign (maybe 2 per swing state) but who are funded separately by zuck or something like him,. They in turn are coordinating with the Antifa org who was running their local teams. Still I would think there had to be some coordination with the local machines with this to know where best to glean the ballots.

Point is, if they actually started digging, they will find someone to squeal and roll upward. This is full on RICO and some prosecutor simply needs to get his ass in gear. Not going to come out of Biden DOJ or FBI of course but for somebody, this would be a career making case.

Previously, I had thought they were doing it with fewer people "in the know" but it seems clear here that the mules were at least partially aware of the criminality. Doing it this way there were enough people who had some knowledge that you can get someone to break into the conspiracy and to begin to roll up the chain to the leaders. Rudy used to make his bones off of this stuff but he has gotten rusty.

True The Vote has done the work that our elected officials refuse to do. Ballot harvesting is a huge problem.

 

[AshG]

True The Vote has done the work that our elected officials refuse to do. Ballot harvesting is a huge problem.

True The Vote has assembled a team of highly partisan sycophants who are chasing a very specific outcome.

Let's see law enforcement and forensics experts with no dog in the hunt go through their methodology and data and see where it leads.

 

[BowlBrother85]

2000 Mules Documentary Provides Compelling Evidence That 2020 Election Was Stolen › American Greatness

In the movie, True the Vote reveals that it also analyzed cell phone pings from some of the 2020 riots, and found that many of the Black Lives Matter and Antifa radicals who were involved in the riots went on to become ballot traffickers.

Each trafficker—or mule—went to an average of 23 ballot drop boxes,” according to the researchers. The mules collected ballots from stash houses in the targeted areas and deposited them in drop boxes—often in the wee hours of the morning, from 1:00 to 5:00 a.m.

Over the course of several weeks, the vote traffickers made multiple trips to drop boxes using gloves to conceal their fingerprints, and taking photos to secure payment. D’Souza notes that the traffickers started wearing gloves a few days after a ballot harvesting case in Arizona secured indictments based on fingerprint evidence.

True the Vote estimates that 20 thousand votes were illegally trafficked in Arizona, 14 thousand in Wisconsin, 275 thousand in Pennsylvania, 125 thousand in Michigan, and 30 thousand in Georgia, totaling 380 thousand votes, which is more than enough to sway the election. Minus these illegal ballots, Trump’s Electoral College votes would have been 279 to Biden’s 259, D’Souza says.

The organization notes that these numbers are based on the definition of a mule as “at least 10 visits to drop boxes.”

” If the bar is lowered to count those making at least 5 visits, the estimated affected votes increases by more than double,” the group says.

This was far more widespread than I would have guessed initially. It would have required significant coordination with a sizeable grass roots org like the local Dem party apparatus or BLM/Antifa. This is simply a magnified version of what the locals usually do but seems too smart for them to have done without too many people being in the know.

So my guess is 8-10 guys like me who are working for the national campaign (maybe 2 per swing state) but who are funded separately by zuck or something like him,. They in turn are coordinating with the Antifa org who was running their local teams. Still I would think there had to be some coordination with the local machines with this to know where best to glean the ballots.

Point is, if they actually started digging, they will find someone to squeal and roll upward. This is full on RICO and some prosecutor simply needs to get his ass in gear. Not going to come out of Biden DOJ or FBI of course but for somebody, this would be a career making case.

Previously, I had thought they were doing it with fewer people "in the know" but it seems clear here that the mules were at least partially aware of the criminality. Doing it this way there were enough people who had some knowledge that you can get someone to break into the conspiracy and to begin to roll up the chain to the leaders. Rudy used to make his bones off of this stuff but he has gotten rusty.

This crap makes the Cyber Ninjas look impartial and professional. It's the same old garbage that has already been de-bunked countless times on here.

 

[BowlBrother85]

Home - 2020 Election Irregularities

... same as this BS.

 

[BowlBrother85]

True The Vote has assembled a team of highly partisan sycophants who are chasing a very specific outcome.

Let's see law enforcement and forensics experts with no dog in the hunt go through their methodology and data and see where it leads.

There is no end to their desperate need to be right about this. PATHETIC LOSERS.

 

[Gandalf]

True The Vote has assembled a team of highly partisan sycophants who are chasing a very specific outcome.

Let's see law enforcement and forensics experts with no dog in the hunt go through their methodology and data and see where it leads.

I agree that it should be but I suspect it won't. Thats why there is no "proof" in spite of a lot of evidence. No one wants to see it, anymore than the DOJ wants to look into Hunter Biden's ties with China, Ukraine, etc. No one is going to look because they don't want to find anything. Meanwhile, much of the information could be specious - but we will never know because it never really gets examined.

That data is pretty clear and with a subpoena, they can they can do a full track on those mules just like they did Jan 6 people. Ill bet the findings are interesting. But again, we wont look.

We are all the poorer for it because one side is sure that the election was stolen and the other side is sure that it was "the most secure election in history" (hahahha, couldnt resist a chuckle there) - but neither side really KNOWS and thus our faith in elections themselves are undermined. That leads to believe that others are not playing fair and the game is too rigged to play. That leads to the only other possibilities - give up or go violent (same as every other has done since all of time).

Thats why these should all have a fair hearing because people must trust the process or armed insurrection is the only alternative. Nobody wants that, yet at the same time, thats what the Dems are claiming the MAGA crowd tried to do on Jan 6 (snort, sorry had to stifle another guffaw). The same Dems who are now preparing to "demonstrate" in front of the conservative Justices homes.

 

[Orangeburst]

There is no end to their desperate need to be right about this. PATHETIC LOSERS.

Look in mirror pal.
If what you won is victory, then I would prefer to be a loser.

 

[AshG]

There is no end to their desperate need to be right about this. PATHETIC LOSERS.

Chill, man. You're getting a little carried away.