Proof that Barrack Hussein Obama is NOT legally serving in office.

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US State Dept Confirms: Obama “NOT” a US Citizen Prior to & in 1968; UPDATE: Important historical find Constitutionally Speaking

.........these official documents from Obama’s mothers passport files are proof positive that Obama was ”NOT” a US citizen prior to & in 1968. Even after an order from a federal judge, the US State Dept is still withholding all of Stanley Ann Dunham’s passport records prior to this 1968 renewal she submitted at the Jakarta, Indonesia consular’s office. So the question begs to be answered…

Where is the affidavit of Obama’s foreign citiznship that was submitted with this application & when did Obama or his mother formally renounce this foreign citizenship that has now been verified by the US State Dept? Where are those records?
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His birth certificate and Hawaiian newspapers indicate otherwise.

Good luck with that, birther.
 
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IPorange said:
His birth certificate and Hawaiian newspapers indicate otherwise.

Good luck with that, birther.
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Not defending birthers but you do know what you said above has nothing to do with the article right? There is a legitimate issue with saying that British citizenship which is patrilineal was passed through to Obama. If that is the case and Obama has never sworn off that citizenship, he would be considered a dual citizen.

A birth certificate only indicates place of birth. It does not rule out ANY other allegiances OR a person's swearing off allegiances OR applications for citizenship or citizenship rules of other countries that drop US citizenship. In this case, Obama could have been born in Hawaii and still not be eligible to be President. While it has yet to be proven and legally upheld the question has NOT been disproven either.
 
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So I guess this really is the GOP's version of "Gore really won Florida" that all the nutcase liberals went on about in 2000.

Give it up.
 
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CSpindizzy said:
Not defending birthers but you do know what you said above has nothing to do with the article right? There is a legitimate issue with saying that British citizenship which is patrilineal was passed through to Obama. If that is the case and Obama has never sworn off that citizenship, he would be considered a dual citizen.

A birth certificate only indicates place of birth. It does not rule out ANY other allegiances OR a person's swearing off allegiances OR applications for citizenship or citizenship rules of other countries that drop US citizenship. In this case, Obama could have been born in Hawaii and still not be eligible to be President. While it has yet to be proven and legally upheld the question has NOT been disproven either.
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Are you claiming that one with dual citizenship can't be President? That'd be amazing, since the US doesn't recognize dual citizenship.
 
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IPorange said:
Are you claiming that one with dual citizenship can't be President? That'd be amazing, since the US doesn't recognize dual citizenship.
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Really? Proof? Because there are quite a few dual citizens in this country right now. A certain governor of California is a citizen of the US and Austria as well. Lots of cases and lots of conditions.

And I'm sure that the state of Hawaii went through an extensive process to verify citizenship of both parents. You do know that when you get a birth certificate it is not something that verifies citizenship status or any other foreign allegiances of parents. You are aware of the anchor baby problem right now right?

If Obama was born in the US he obtains birthright US citizenship. If his father was British, by British law at the time of Obama's birth he inherited British citizenship. Obama could have technically declared for Kenyan citizenship as well. But British law at that time would have allowed for both citizenship statuses.

Indonesian law is also questionable regarding Obama being 'adopted' by Mr. Soerto when he married Obama's mother. Under Indonesian law, if Obama was in fact adopted, he would have become a legal Indonesian citizen which by law he would have defaulted to renouncing US citizenship.
 
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also, isn't a "natural born citizen" someone who's parents were also US citizens at the time of birth?
 
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CSpindizzy said:
Not defending birthers but you do know what you said above has nothing to do with the article right? There is a legitimate issue with saying that British citizenship which is patrilineal was passed through to Obama. If that is the case and Obama has never sworn off that citizenship, he would be considered a dual citizen.

A birth certificate only indicates place of birth. It does not rule out ANY other allegiances OR a person's swearing off allegiances OR applications for citizenship or citizenship rules of other countries that drop US citizenship. In this case, Obama could have been born in Hawaii and still not be eligible to be President. While it has yet to be proven and legally upheld the question has NOT been disproven either.
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If you are born in America, are you an American?
 
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CSpindizzy said:
Doesn't mean you cannot have dual citizenship OR renounce your citizenship through something like marriage, adoption, etc.
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I dont know that i like the idea of a child renouncing citizenship by default, regardless of the situation.
 
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N'est-ce Pas said:
You need to study the laws which dictate the happenings within this fine country.
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I have dual citizenship. I'm telling you, the US only recognizes one as either A) a US citizen or B) not a US citizen. Dual citizenship doesn't enter into the equation for them.

I was recently told by a US customs official that the US doesn't "recognize" dual citizenship. What gives?

It depends on exactly what is meant by "recognizing" dual citizenship. If the official meant to say that dual US/other citizenship violates US law, he was, simply put, wrong. If he meant that foreign citizenship makes no difference under US law if one is also a US citizen, he was right.

US citizenship law is primarily concerned with whether or not a given person holds US citizenship. If a person is a US citizen and is currently within the jurisdiction of the US, any other citizenship(s) he or she may hold are really not relevant in US law.

A "dual citizen" has no special status in the US by virtue of holding citizenship in some other country too. In particular, if you are a dual citizen and get into some kind of legal trouble while in the US, you should not expect the US to acknowledge any efforts by consular officials of your other country of citizenship to intervene in your behalf.

Also, when a "dual citizen" enters the US, he/she is expected to identify himself to US immigration and customs officials as a US citizen (not as a citizen of some other country) -- and in cases where a passport is required to enter the US, a dual US/other citizen is expected to enter on a US passport, just like any other US citizen.

I've heard of recent cases where dual US/other citizens briefly got into sticky situations while entering the US, when they attempted to identify themselves either as "dual" citizens or as citizens of another country. In former times (before the latest round of State Department policy reforms), attempting to enter the US on a foreign passport could even be used as "evidence" of intent to relinquish US citizenship. Although this apparently isn't a danger any more, the best thing to do is probably to make life simple and assert only your US citizenship rights when entering the US.

Remember that US immigration officers are primarily interested in determining whether a person wishing to enter the US should be let in. If you hold US citizenship, then you have a legal right to enter, remain in, and work in the US. Holding some other citizenship as well as US citizenship is completely irrelevant in this case, and if you make an issue of holding a second citizenship, you're just making it more likely that US officials will think something is amiss.
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Questions and answers on dual US/other citizenship

U.S. law does not mention dual nationality or require a person to choose one citizenship or another. Also, a person who is automatically granted another citizenship does not risk losing U.S. citizenship.
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US State Department Services Dual Nationality
 
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At this point, I am actively rooting for lunatics like gsvol and the birthers to keep this up. The people who desperately want to believe it -- a combination of racists, mouthbreathing retards, and certifiably insane conspiracy theorists -- would find something else to justify their hatred of Obama anyway, so it makes no difference.

But come 2012 the folks who have self-annointed themselves the leaders of the conservative movement (Hannity, Beck, Limbaugh, Palin, and now Newt) will squarely be asked the question: is he US born?

If they say no, that adds to the cache of reasons to write them off as bigoted morons. If they say yes, they'll get sniped at by their own kind, a la McCain for talking that eldely loon down from "He's a A-rab" to Rove for saying "What the freak is Delaware thinking?"
 
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CSpindizzy said:
Doesn't mean you cannot have dual citizenship OR renounce your citizenship through something like marriage, adoption, etc.
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I understand the possibility of his British citizenship on a technicality, but I don't understand how that is violating the term "natural born citizen." My ignorance?
 
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CSpindizzy said:
Doesn't mean you cannot have dual citizenship OR renounce your citizenship through something like marriage, adoption, etc.
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How does a child renounce it's citizenship, when they do not have the legal ability to do so until they are 18?

Again, I say this as someone who has dual citizenship and is more aware of all this than the average birther.
 
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emainvol said:
I dont know that i like the idea of a child renouncing citizenship by default, regardless of the situation.
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If a child's parents get married and abide by the laws of that nation, what can you do? Even in international adoption there are countries that allow the child to lose their citizenship when adopted by an American couple - the child will then only be an American.
 
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CSpindizzy said:
If a child's parents get married and abide by the laws of that nation, what can you do? Even in international adoption there are countries that allow the child to lose their citizenship when adopted by an American couple - the child will then only be an American.
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Right, but American citizenship is stickier than most. I'm telling you, there's no way Obama would have lost his citizenship as a very young child, regardless of what his mother did.

Which I guess begs the question, was Obama's mother a US citizen? One has to argue she wasn't any more if this avenue is to be pursued. Which is absurd.
 
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IPorange said:
How does a child renounce it's citizenship, when they do not have the legal ability to do so until they are 18?

Again, I say this as someone who has dual citizenship and is more aware of all this than the average birther.
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Work with me here. Differing countries have different laws. If you have a problem with that take it up with those respective countries. As I just said, some Americans who adopt overseas will go through a legal process to adopt a foreign child. In that process a court will break citizenship status of that child and he/she will only be an American. The couple goes through the embassy to get the paperwork started on citizenship and soon after this child is nothing more than an American - no longer legal ties to that country. Russia is NOT the case. An 18 year old Russian born but adopted by Americans still keeps his Russian citizenship. He can visit Russia and find himself conscripted if not careful.
 
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