Proof that Barrack Hussein Obama is NOT legally serving in office.

[gsvol]

At this point, I am actively rooting for lunatics like gsvol and the birthers to keep this up. The people who desperately want to believe it -- a combination of racists, mouthbreathing retards, and certifiably insane conspiracy theorists -- would find something else to justify their hatred of Obama anyway, so it makes no difference.

But come 2012 the folks who have self-annointed themselves the leaders of the conservative movement (Hannity, Beck, Limbaugh, Palin, and now Newt) will squarely be asked the question: is he US born?

If they say no, that adds to the cache of reasons to write them off as bigoted morons. If they say yes, they'll get sniped at by their own kind, a la McCain for talking that eldely loon down from "He's a A-rab" to Rove for saying "What the freak is Delaware thinking?"

And I'm hoping moonbats like you keep spewing your ill advised hatred, using your mastertard card for which you can't even pay the bill. :no:

 

[tigervol9802]

I'll ask this again, but let's say that before 5pm today some judge declared Obama to be illigeally in office.

What then?

 

[KingNick865]

I'll ask this again, but let's say that before 5pm today some judge declared Obama to be illigeally in office.

What then?

To quote John Ward..

"Pandemonium reigns"

 

[tigervol9802]

To quote John Ward..

"Pandemonium reigns"

I've often wondered what happens if indeed the birthers got their way and he was declared illegeally in office. I see one of three options.

1. An injunction is filed, is approved, and this goes through the court system for the next 2 and 1/4 years and he's probably out of office before it is settled.

2. Biden is declared President.

3. A suit is filed saying Biden was illegeally elected VP. Guess who is your President then?

About the only thing I could see is that every law passed in his tenure is declared illegeally enacted and thus off the books. Even though I don't really agree with well, anything he's put through, the thought of this doesn't really excite me either.

Basically this entire thing is just chasing the wind, IMO. It really reminds me of the Gore folks who to this day say he won Florida in 2000. Quite embarassing on both parts actually.

 

[KingNick865]

But, also, wouldn't this rule out John McCain from being president as well, seeing as he was born in Panama(not 100% on where he was born).

Mainly, I just want a scenario in which Ralph Nader becoming President........interesting.

 

[gsvol]

Conservative Christian South Dakotans For Constitutional Legislation.

Awesome.

Here is an interesting question;

Why was it ruled in the Lakin trial that Obama's birth record might prove 'embarrassing to the commander in chief?'

How so and why would that be legal grounds for not considering the evidence??

See what you think of this site (and statement):

PRESS RELEASE: Veterans’ Statement on LTC Terry Lakin Courts Martial; Our first priority must be to unite in defense of LTC Lakin. | Birther Report: Obama Release Your Records

We believe that there are only two potential outcomes of this courts-martial, and that both outcomes bring certain challenges. Our first priority must be to unite in defense of LTC Lakin in an effort to arrive at the best possible outcome for both Lakin and the nation.

1. LTC Lakin is found GUILTY of wrongfully refusing orders. With this outcome we get the following precedents.

a) Anyone, without so much as a birth certificate, can hold the office of President and Commander-in-Chief of the U.S. Military.

b) ALL soldiers must blindly follow orders, whether or not those orders are legal.

c) Not even a high-ranking officer has the right to challenge the lawfulness of the orders.

2. LTC Lakin is found NOT GUILTY of wrongfully refusing orders, as Barack Obama’s illegitimacy is confirmed, in which case the following precedents have been established.

a) Every soldier must make the same decision Lakin made, to follow or not to follow an illegal command.

b) The military chain of command is broken at the top of the chain.

c) Obama must be removed from office and there is no one in the normal line of succession to the Oval Office who can replace him, as they were all complicit in the greatest fraud ever perpetrated on the American people.

We believe that whether LTC Lakin is found guilty or not guilty in his courts-martial, our nation is in a full scale national security crisis. This cannot be avoided by simply brushing the Lakin situation under the carpet as if the legitimacy of this administration and command has not been properly and repeatedly challenged.

The current Lakin defense strategy is limited to an ongoing search for a missing birth certificate that is of no real consequence, and they have been denied discovery access to any of Obama records, as well as anyone who has had access to those records. There is no defense for Lakin on this basis.

The Veterans Council of the United States Patriots Union has decided not to let LTC Lakin face these charges alone, without a proper defense. Following this statement, a 2nd White Paper concerning the Lakin courts-martial is being released. The PDF is embedded here:

White Paper #2 – Unacceptable Consequences(PDF) [embedded below]

So I guess this really is the GOP's version of "Gore really won Florida" that all the nutcase liberals went on about in 2000.

Give it up.

No not really, Cheney had the last chance to legally challenge Obama's eligibility did exactly zilch.

The McCain campaign managers wouldn't allow Palin to bring that question into the campaign rhetoric.

In Gore's case the communist wing of the dhimmi party brought that up immediately, in this case only belatedly have any republicans barely mentioned this question which was in court even before election day.

Are you claiming that one with dual citizenship can't be President? That'd be amazing, since the US doesn't recognize dual citizenship.

Wrong again, the US DOES recognize dual (even multiple) citizenship.

You need to study the laws which dictate the happenings within this fine country.

Among other things he needs to study rather than believing the first thing he hears that fits his preconceived notions.

 

[Panthro]

Give it up, fellas. Despite what you believe, the powers that be have decided that he's legal enough to be president. Seriously, sometimes you just have to give up worrying about a particular issue. This one is going nowhere.

 

[gsvol]

I understand the possibility of his British citizenship on a technicality, but I don't understand how that is violating the term "natural born citizen." My ignorance?

The US Constitution, Article II, Section 1.

For one thing if Obama were indeed born in Kenya as some affidavits produced in court suggest, then Obama was born a British subject and not a US citizen in which case he would not be legally eligible to be POTUS.

And that is just one aspect of the whole legal question that is compounded by the fact that the Obama administration has stonewalled any information about even the simplest of questions.

Evasion and obfuscation seem to be the overriding tactic by Obama and company, why not just give it up and come clean on all these matters?????

Even if he proves to be eligible to hold his office, and that should be incumbent upon him at the bare minimum to prove, then what is the need of the shroud of secrecy over all of his past???

Are we supposed to blindly believe everything he says when he has proven to be an outright liar on so many occasions????

How does a child renounce it's citizenship, when they do not have the legal ability to do so until they are 18?

Again, I say this as someone who has dual citizenship and is more aware of all this than the average birther.

The parent or legal guardian does so.

So in what other country do you hold citizenship?

He was born on US soil. Let it go.

Then prove that in court!!!

Give it up.

Then you are not well versed in international law or laws in other countries.

Among other things in which he is not well versed.

derk ar derb!

Jerkoff gerbal, the wheel is still turning but the hampster is dead.

FWIW, there will be an OBAMA BIRTH CERTIFICATE / ELIGIBILITY/ OBAMACARE Rally in Washington on Saturday, October 23, 2010 – 12 Noon to 4:00 p.m. at U.S. Capitol – West Front.

What are the chances that will get CNN/ABC/CBS/NBC coverage??

 

[IPorange]

gs, I call you a birther (which you are, right?) and you tell me not to call people names... then you call LG a moon bat and worse.

No reason to be a hypocrite.


I have Canadian citizenship as well as American.

 

[IPorange]

FactCheck.org: Born in the U.S.A.

PolitiFact | Obama's birth certificate: Final chapter

Hawaii: Obama birth certificate is real - USATODAY.com


There is just no evidence to support claims of the birth certificate being fake.


EDIT: Of course, then some will try the angle of, "A certificate of live birth isn't the same!" But Hawaii doesn't release birth certificates, and the Hawaiian officials have verified it's existence and authenticity. So...

 

[emainvol]

FactCheck.org: Born in the U.S.A.

PolitiFact | Obama's birth certificate: Final chapter

Hawaii: Obama birth certificate is real - USATODAY.com


There is just no evidence to support claims of the birth certificate being fake.


EDIT: Of course, then some will try the angle of, "A certificate of live birth isn't the same!" But Hawaii doesn't release birth certificates, and the Hawaiian officials have verified it's existence and authenticity. So...

Try again IP, all those links are from sources funded by secret commie muslims.

 

[gsvol]

I'll ask this again, but let's say that before 5pm today some judge declared Obama to be illigeally in office.

What then?

It would go to a higher court probably before any action would be taken imo.

Maybe they would force him to use hia legal name, Barry Soetoro.

I've often wondered what happens if indeed the birthers got their way and he was declared illegeally in office. I see one of three options.

1. An injunction is filed, is approved, and this goes through the court system for the next 2 and 1/4 years and he's probably out of office before it is settled.

2. Biden is declared President.

3. A suit is filed saying Biden was illegeally elected VP. Guess who is your President then?

About the only thing I could see is that every law passed in his tenure is declared illegeally enacted and thus off the books. Even though I don't really agree with well, anything he's put through, the thought of this doesn't really excite me either.

Basically this entire thing is just chasing the wind, IMO. It really reminds me of the Gore folks who to this day say he won Florida in 2000. Quite embarassing on both parts actually.

Funny you would divorce yourself from some courageous Americans who would enforce US Constitutional law.

The ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of all.
John F. Kennedy

The instant formal government is abolished, society begins to act. A general association takes place, and common interest produces common security.
Thomas Paine

But, also, wouldn't this rule out John McCain from being president as well, seeing as he was born in Panama(not 100% on where he was born).

Mainly, I just want a scenario in which Ralph Nader becoming President........interesting.

No, even thought the Dhimmicraps did being up the question of McLame's eligibility, it was decided he was eligible because he born into the family of an American serviceman who was serving on active duty.

Unfortunately the repulsivecan party didn't have the gonads to challenge Obama's eligibility.

Private individuals did and the legal question will be settled one way or another.

 

[KB5252]

I can't believe you are so easily duped e-main, his certificate is obviously forged.

 

[emainvol]

I can't believe you are so easily duped e-main, his certificate is obviously forged.

Looks legit to me, and I come from a long line of notaries.

 

[KB5252]

Looks legit to me, and I come from a long line of notaries.

Come on man, that seal has some serious flaws.

 

[gsvol]

"Inherited" - it may be. IF SO, I'm willing to bet people would have thought much differently of a man who legally was a dual citizen of another country. Would he have even run in the first place had this been made public? Would he have denied being a dual citizen?

In the case of the Indonesian law, his loss of citizenship over legal adoption is a game changer. Nothing has been proven and I doubt it will be. Record keeping even now in Indonesia is horrendous.

How about American record keeping???

Is it not time that the US State Department released records it has been court ordered to produce and stop it's stonewalling??

Who said that? Or is this just some kneejerk emotional response based solely on stupidity? Why are you going this route instead of staying with the argument?

Yeah, you're the new group "Half-American". Didn't you check that on your census form? I guess you're not the American you thought you were, eh?

And US law DOES recognize it. Not sure why you keep saying that.

Not sure why he keeps saying a lot of things he does.

The birthers cannot be reasoned with because they are incapable of rational thought.
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Your use of the term 'rational thought' is laughable.

Somehow I knew GS started this thread as soon as I saw the title.

Someone has to do it.

 

[emainvol]

Look what I found! Keep in mind, the word "fake" means "real" in Kenya. Those crazy Kenyans.

 

[tigervol9802]

It would go to a higher court probably before any action would be taken imo.

Maybe they would force him to use hia legal name, Barry Soetoro.

Funny you would divorce yourself from some courageous Americans who would enforce US Constitutional law.

The ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of all.
John F. Kennedy

The instant formal government is abolished, society begins to act. A general association takes place, and common interest produces common security.
Thomas Paine

No, even thought the Dhimmicraps did being up the question of McLame's eligibility, it was decided he was eligible because he born into the family of an American serviceman who was serving on active duty.

Unfortunately the repulsivecan party didn't have the gonads to challenge Obama's eligibility.

Private individuals did and the legal question will be settled one way or another.

Why do I haev a gut feeling you wouldn't care if this guy was a Tea Partier.

 

[gsvol]

Not exactly an earth shattering assumption. Anything pertaining to the birther movement and how Muslims are going to kidnap your children and bake them in a pie usually starts with gs.
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Who yanked you chain cracker baby??

I think enough evidence is shown already. Clearly if something is recognized by the government, dual citizenship exists. Giving a recent example - the kid that was returned to Russia because his adoptive mom had enough. The kid was as you say a "US citizen" but strangely enough he was still a Russian citizen. The US asked for the kid back. Russia said sorry. The US recognized the fact that this kid had dual citizenship and habeas corpus was with Russia. The US has told family and local law enforcement agencies that there is nothing they can do in this case because he is also a Russian citizen as well - dual citizenship. There are other cases like this for other nations in case you use the argument that this is Russia and we treat things differently with them.

Let's not mention court orders being violated in the Elian Gonzalez episode.

Seeing some of your sound rebuttals and even original posts, I'd say you and the birthers have much in common.

How so????

If Barack Obama Sr. was the father, that would be a moot point. But since it was actually Frank Marshall Davis, then you may have an argument.

I tend to agree with you on that point!!

Nothing to do with this thread but Bobby Fisher who made some of the most anti-semitic post 9/11 statements it has been discovered, wasn't just jewish on his mothers side, really also probably had a jewish father as well, go figga!

Give it up, fellas. Despite what you believe, the powers that be have decided that he's legal enough to be president. Seriously, sometimes you just have to give up worrying about a particular issue. This one is going nowhere.

Nevertheless this isn't going to go away.

There is a long list of vulnerability points for Obama and there is a story behind every one of them.

• Original, vault copy birth certificate – Not released – Lawyers fees – greater than $1,000,000 – birth certificate – $15.

• Certification of Live Birth – Released – Counterfeit – Case and Affidavits

• Admitted British citizenship at birth – Confirmed via FactCheck.org/FightTheSmears.com

• Birth Announcement – Alleged to be a forgery

• Obama/Dunham marriage license – Not released

• Obama/Dunham divorce – Released (by independent investigators)

• Soetoro/Dunham marriage license – Not released

• Soetoro adoption records – Not released

• Fransiskus Assisi School School application – Released (by independent investigators)

• Punahou School records – Not released

• Soetoro/Dunham divorce – Released (by independent investigators)

• Selective Service Registration – Released – Counterfeit – Document Locator Number update – another FOIA request

• Occidental College records – Not released

• Passport – Not released and records scrubbed clean by Obama’s terrorism and intelligence adviser

• Columbia College records – Not released

• Columbia thesis – “Soviet Nuclear Disarmament” – Not released

• Harvard College records – Not released

• Harvard Law Review articles – None

• Illinois Bar Records – Not released.

• Baptism certificate – None

• Medical records – Not released

• Illinois State Senate records – None

• Illinois State Senate schedule – Lost

• Law practice client list – Not released

• University of Chicago scholarly articles – None

• Kindergarten records – this” lost or hidden” incident deserves more detail:

8. THE MISSING KINDERGARTEN RECORDS AND THE MYSTERIOUS NEWSPAPER BIRTH ANNOUNCEMENT
“Obama began his education in Hawaii’s public schools. He was enrolled in Ms. Sakai’s kindergarten class at Noelani Elementary School in 1967. He was only there a couple or three months before he was off to Indonesia.
Those who strive to legitimize AKA Obama have made much of the questionable “birth announcement” that may have been published in the Hawaiian newspapers. This “evidence” if so flimsy that refuting it may actually lend substance to the claim.

There are literally dozens of anti-Birther articles in the media that continue to claim that AKA Obama’s birth announcement was in “two different newspapers”.

These two newspapers are printed by the same publisher and share the same stories and sources. The purpose of this “two newspaper” claim is to falsely imply that these newspapers are independent of each other, and therefore, unlikely to run the same birth announcement.

Birth announcements were called in or mailed in all the time. The Nordyke twins were announced, then recently (about a year ago) that announcement was replaced with the AKA Obama one. And the original owner of the “birth” residence died about 2 years, before the newly discovered birth announcement was touted by the Obama campaign after AKA Obama’s Hawaiian ‘birth” was challenged. There is also evidence of splicing in the microfilm. The most likely scenario is that the Nordyke twin’s birth announcement was spliced out and replaced by a post-dated AKA Obama announcement. The fact that the home address in the fake AKA Obama announcement was never occupied by Ann Dunham and Barack Obama, and that the birth announcement just happened to appear right after the actual tenant of the home died, pretty much drives a stake though the heart of this story.


Bottom line is that pretty much everything about Obama's life has either been a fraud or questionable, lends itself to more questions.

Why would you not want to know the truth on these matters???

 

[gsvol]

FactCheck.org: Born in the U.S.A.

Why do you continue to post this same discredited drivel every time the topic comes up??

Factcheck is a creation of tha Annenburg foundation that employed Ayers and Obama for eight years.

The COLB they speak of was an admitted forgery by the very one who created it.

As far as I know there has been no other COLB produced, not that a Hawaiian COLB can't be obtained for anyone, including me, that proves nothing in this case.

I can't see why you have a problem understanding that fact.

PolitiFact | Obama's birth certificate: Final chapter

I tried your link and is says; "so secret we don't know where it is either."

I do know that 'politifact' is a creation to the St Petersberg Times which is about as reliable as the NY Slimes!!!

What we are trying to talk about here is admissable court evidence, not what you may be brainwashed into believing.

Hawaii: Obama birth certificate is real - USATODAY.com

Then let Chiyome Fukino testify to that in court under threat of perjury!

From your own news link:

In an e-mail, the Times reported, Klein wrote that CNN researchers determined that Obama's 1961 birth certificate no longer exists because Hawaiian officials had discarded paper documents in 2001 — a claim denied Monday by Hawaiian health officials.

FWIW, see if you can grasp this, newspaper articles aren't considered evidence in a court of law, that is just heresay!!

There is just no evidence to support claims of the birth certificate being fake.

No birth certificate for Barack Hussein Obama has ever been shown PERIOD!!!!!

Comprende????

EDIT: Of course, then some will try the angle of, "A certificate of live birth isn't the same!" But Hawaii doesn't release birth certificates, and the Hawaiian officials have verified it's existence and authenticity. So...

That just isn't true IP.

OK, then there will be no problem letting those Hawaiian officials testify in court will there???

 

[Lexvol]

To quote John Ward..

"Pandemonium reigns"

That was Gordon Solie.

 

[sjt18]

Obama is NOT going to be impeached or removed from office over this without ironclad proof that gains popular appeal FIRST.

If the GOP wants to do anything about this then (assuming they win the House) put a rider on a defense spending bill or something else that can't easily be vetoed or opposed in the Senate requiring any candidate for President to provide proof of citizenship when filing with the FEC.

If Obama or the Dems protest then it will look like they are hiding something.

 

[sjt18]

The law requires two forms of ID to legally obtain a job in the US... I really don't think it is asking too much for the POTUS to supply the same to prove themselves constitutionally qualified for the job.

 

[BlueHalo]

Some of you are pitiful.

 

[sjt18]

Why is that? Because we believe rule of law is important? That if you want to change the rules you get a consensus and change the rules... you don't just ignore them?