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exactly...injuries just provide excuses...again madtownvol...you want to compare a national championship drought to a final four drought...it is not near the same thing...final fours should be guaranteed at schools like Tennessee, especially in dealing with entire recruiting classes that keep coming and going without making it to one...but bottom line it is the fact we have not acquired the top talent needed...Tennessee has only won titles with superstars players and wont win anything until we see more of those players in Orange...since Candace Parker left we have seen Maya Moore, Brittney
Griner, the Ogwumike sisters, Breanna Stewart, Dolson, Hartley, Orrange, Alyssa Thomas, Jewell Lloyd, Tiffany Mitchell, Aja Wilson, Kayla McBride, Angel McCoughtry...so on and so forth...go to other schools...advance to final fours and many win national titles...that is just a small list of players we have missed out on and for the most part are better than any player we have had since Candace...and those are the players we will need to get back...
 
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Advol said:
:thud: So this is how far we have fallen! A moral victory. A proud loss!! :mf_surrender:

The loss of Izzy just gives the Coach an excuse!!
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When you have 3 key injuries and are playing that caliber of opponent in that location with that type of effort then yes I will accept a moral victory. Do I want moral victories? NO! However that sense of entitled attitude you display is what destroys programs and sets them back further.
We get TWO former number 1 players back next year plus Jasmine Jones and that isn't even taking into account our recruiting class! So, yes last night was a PROUD LOSS. Seems like a majority agree

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I dont understand why people keep talking about the past. Pat is gone and the game has changed. We need to stand behind our ladies and pull for them. Everyone knows we haven't been to a FF4 since 08 including the players and coaches. I'm sure they want to get there just as much as we want them to.
 
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zaqhhh said:
When you have 3 key injuries and are playing that caliber of opponent in that location with that type of effort then yes I will accept a moral victory. Do I want moral victories? NO! However that sense of entitled attitude you display is what destroys programs and sets them back further.
We get TWO former number 1 players back next year plus Jasmine Jones and that isn't even taking into account our recruiting class! So, yes last night was a PROUD LOSS. Seems like a majority agree

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:good!: Some don't get it. IMO, some like to nit pick and register complaints about a successful program while trying to prop up the "successes" of the football team and the men's BB team. I'm anxious to watch the SEC Championship game now.
 
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Even after losing izzy, jones and Russell this year to injury, and seeing how Tennessee was able to still almost snatch away a win from sc after being totally dominated on the offensive boards, should make lady vol fans feel good about the sec tourny as well as ending the final four drought. I know I like our chances...I though holly executed a great game plan last night but was def handicapped by sc's tremendous size. The ball just bounced their way A LOT last night.
 
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stubbs9 said:
Uhhhh we have Diamond Deshields playing next year. She is better than a lot on that list.
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so with one year of college ball behind her...Deshields is better than most on a list of players who have won national player of the year awards...won multiple national tittles and some who play for team USA as the best 13 or so players in the world...um..yeah...dillusional
 
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I said a lot. You mentioned Dolson, Hartley, Orrange, Tiffany Mitchell, Aja Wilson. I think she is better than all of them. We are talking about getting back to the FF and think she can help us do that.
 
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lol...so you think she is possibly better than 5 players out of 14 that i mentioned and that was just offhand...never knew that possibly 1/3 of anything is alot..of course Dolson is a 2 time national champion and defensive player of the year...Hartley 2 time winner as well...so time will tell...she will also get her cracks at wilson and that will be settled on the court...of course the other 9 we all know are better...please keep dreaming...good grief...there are plenty of other players as well like Mosqueda Lewis so its all a moot point...we need more talent...
 
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ivyleague said:
I disagree.... Honestly, with Izzy and Jasmine, I think Tennessee was hands down the better of the two teams; without Izzy and Jasmine, I still think they may be the better team. That they didn't win last night doesn't change my view. If I had to bet which team would be more likely to reach the Final Four, assuming Tennessee continues to play as it did last night, my money is on Tennessee.
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That is a tough call. USC has 3 athletic post players who range from 6-4 to 6-6, and 6-1 Welch who is female equivalent of Dennis Rodman plus the SEC player of the year in Tiffany Welch. The post presence that USC has gives them a real edge in thinking about a range of tournament match-ups. I believe that the LVs with Izzy and Jones would have likely been better and they are pretty close without but it took a heroic effort.
 
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MasterShake Vol8 said:
lol...so you think she is possibly better than 5 players out of 14 that i mentioned and that was just offhand...never knew that possibly 1/3 of anything is alot..of course Dolson is a 2 time national champion and defensive player of the year...Hartley 2 time winner as well...so time will tell...she will also get her cracks at wilson and that will be settled on the court...of course the other 9 we all know are better...please keep dreaming...good grief...there are plenty of other players as well like Mosqueda Lewis so its all a moot point...we need more talent...
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I never said we didn't need more talented players. That is required to win championships. From your posts it seems that your are more against than for the lady vols.
 
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MasterShake Vol8 said:
exactly...injuries just provide excuses...again madtownvol...you want to compare a national championship drought to a final four drought...it is not near the same thing...final fours should be guaranteed at schools like Tennessee, especially in dealing with entire recruiting classes that keep coming and going without making it to one...but bottom line it is the fact we have not acquired the top talent needed...Tennessee has only won titles with superstars players and wont win anything until we see more of those players in Orange...since Candace Parker left we have seen Maya Moore, Brittney
Griner, the Ogwumike sisters, Breanna Stewart, Dolson, Hartley, Orrange, Alyssa Thomas, Jewell Lloyd, Tiffany Mitchell, Aja Wilson, Kayla McBride, Angel McCoughtry...so on and so forth...go to other schools...advance to final fours and many win national titles...that is just a small list of players we have missed out on and for the most part are better than any player we have had since Candace...and those are the players we will need to get back...
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Yes, really good players go to a range of schools not just Tennessee. During the CPS you could make an equally impressive list of non-LVs; Swoopes, Taurasi, Bird, Augustus, Beard, and on and on.

If you look at class rankings, however, the LVs have held their own. Glory Johnson was a #2 recruit behind Della Donne, Stricklen was top 5; Simmons was a game changing player; Burdick was a top 5 recruit as was Russell, Tucker, Massengale, Carter, and now Cooper. Lots of schools were recruiting these athletes and the LVs won. In some cases, injuries have impeded progress and maybe some have not lived up to their rankings but high school recruiting, like many things in life, is not "guaranteed."
 
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Some of the names mentioned here were not world beaters coming out of high school.... Hartley was ranked 14 I think, Orrange was 15, McBride 31 and Dolson 39..... Lady Vols have the horses to do battle.... being healthy would understandably be a plus.
 
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again...we name 4 to 5 players out of 15 who like I said I just named off the front of my brain without looking at anything...i am sure im missing a ton of others...the lady vols do have the horses to go to battle...they just do not have the superstars to win the battles that truly matter...if uconn has 3 players on their team better than your best and then every other player is similar then you are going to lose way more than you win...then maybe holly and co. cant develop talent or are bad at evaluating it...massengale is average...russell is far from the top player in a class that included our own deshields...middleton shouldnt even be in uniform...simmons was good but was selfish, shot too much and a terrible team player...we are just missing that superstar...that holdsclaw, catchings, parker...you put one of those players with glory, or stricklen then you at least go to a final four, might even win a title...there are those guaranteed players...I am sorry...both mens and womens...do you think Griner, Taurasi, Holdsclaw etc etc are not guarantees...do you think Shaq, Lebron, half of UK's mens roster arent guarantees..then you are crazy
 
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MasterShake Vol8 said:
again...we name 4 to 5 players out of 15 who like I said I just named off the front of my brain without looking at anything...i am sure im missing a ton of others...the lady vols do have the horses to go to battle...they just do not have the superstars to win the battles that truly matter...if uconn has 3 players on their team better than your best and then every other player is similar then you are going to lose way more than you win...then maybe holly and co. cant develop talent or are bad at evaluating it...massengale is average...russell is far from the top player in a class that included are own deshields...middleton shouldnt even be in uniform...simmons was good but was selfish, shot too much and a terrible team player...we are just missing that superstar...that holdsclaw, catchings, parker...you put one of those players with glory, or stricklen then you at least go to a final four, might even win a title...there are those guaranteed players...I am sorry...both mens and womens...do you think Griner, Taurasi, Holdsclaw etc etc are not guarantees...do you think Shaq, Lebron, half of UK's mens roster arent guarantees..then you are crazy
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You do realize your B___hing about a 13-1 SEC record team!!!! Your really starting to look foolish!!! It was a great game and very entertaining, which is why I watch!! Those girls put all they had and never quit. No moral victories I get that, but you can tip your hat to great game plan and effort!!!:good!:
 
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and I am not against the Lady Vols...I love all my UT sports and all of my constructive criticism stays in house if you know what I mean...but if Vols fan can not be truthful with one another then we have a serious problem...I just know the Lady Vols can easily be better and it is the one sport in Knoxville where we should never take a back seat to anybody...there should be no complacency and there is far too much of it...it goes for every team but the better you are historically, the worse it looks and feels
 
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Brentwoodvolfan said:
You do realize your B___hing about a 13-1 SEC record team!!!! Your really starting to look foolish!!! It was a great game and very entertaining, which is why I watch!! Those girls put all they had and never quit. No moral victories I get that, but you can tip your hat to great game plan and effort!!!:good!:
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records mean nothing...you either win SEC titles...go to Final Fours and win National Titles or it is a failed season...goodbye
 
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Mastershake needs a few more drinks and go to bed. Or maybe Finebaum would appreciate his rants tomorrow more than most of us on this board.
 
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The mood of the board is changing, it seems like everyone is seeing the potential and progress of this team and the players individually (The place to showcase your talent) and Holly's growth and we're feeling good about it.

I always call things as I see them, and that game reconnected me with the reason why I love the Lady Vols,reminded me of the teams coached by Pat.

I m exciting about the direction we're heading in...cos at least I know our ladies will compete in most games, only four losses, with all the missed games by players, nice job staff.

And I'm also ok with us lacking a post players, the post player has to be the right fit for our system, it can't be a traditional back the basket post player, she has to be able to do more.

We are being picky rather than volume recruiting, our recruiting is now, getting recruits that fit our system, they can be ranked high but if they don't fit our system or style of play, then we need to pass, no matter what they are ranked or how tall they are, that type of recruiting has not produced since mid 2000s, cos a lot the pieces/players were the same and no time for player development cos most were rushed into duty, prematurely.

I see why we recruited our freshman; Tea and Meme, they both have HANDLES and if they both stay aggressive, can get to the basket, that's how they score now, defense to offense, Tea has range to three tho. They should progress nicely, they wont be forced into duty, ah the good ole days of wait your turn (unless you're special), player development. That what's separate good guards from great guards; players, handles, the ability of the guard or player to get to where they need to get to get a player or themselves a shot.

I think Nared just needs one off-season, to be solid. You can tell she wants to be good.

Tangent:

Dunbar with her size if she spend time to learn how to bang in the post this off-season, she has a solid frame, the young lady is stacked, on offense at the four or five, mane the whole lane is open, that's the offense we're moving too. Now she has time to develop with Jones red-shirting, no rush and she has size and will be in the system for two years. (Nared at four too)

Yes, mad props to Holly and the team, for representing the Lady Vols but the next time I want a win. damnit lol
 
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MasterShake Vol8 said:
Well I did watch the game and I am sorry...we just lost the SEC to a team that has now beaten us a total of 4 times ever. We lost because we do not have depth, we do not have height, and we do not have superstar level players. The same old story. Lost out on Wilson and she is twice the player Russell will ever be. The Lady Vols are not the men's team, there are no moral victories for teams who have won 8 national titles. Good grief, Bama football would never talk to moral victories, UK MBB would never talk of that either. Man up Volnation...half the reason your teams and athletic department is deteriorating is the fact that most of you have come complacent with losing and not being what we once were in every sport across the board. The Lady Vols should never lack in the talent department, especially not to a bunch of lumps in Columbia, South Carolina. WAKE UP!!!
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Depth? You're aware that our two best interior players are out for the season, right? That a third, who was counted on to be the team's center, hasn't played one minute this season?

I don't know what you expect out of a program, but take the three best front court players away from any team in the country and they're going to struggle, especially against a team that is strong up front, like South Carolina is.

Still, despite those losses, our coach drew up a gameplan where her undersized 7-player rotation took a forward-heavy #2 team in the country that uses a 10-player rotation to the final second.

I agree there are no moral victories when you're Tennessee, but I don't know how a rational person can look at last night's game and think that there is something wrong with our coaching situation.
 
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I expect a National Title or two every 10 years and making a Final Four at least half the time. Pretty reasonable considering we are supposed to be the best. Like I have said the National Titles take a little luck but making Final Fours should be pretty easy and that si where I draw the line. We all know we will not make it this year barring an crazy upset like Louisville did Baylor a few years back...one albeit we could not even capitalize on and lose to Louisville in the elite eight. Just sick of it. I am glad Vol fans can sit and have fun with lower and lower results and expectations...I will never be one of those fans.
Again injuries etc.. are a nice crutch to be able to fall back on when you do not meet expectations. Im sure there is a reason each of the past 7 years you can attribute to us failing short of expectations.
Bottom line...big time players and big time coaches get it done.
 
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MasterShake Vol8 said:
again...we name 4 to 5 players out of 15 who like I said I just named off the front of my brain without looking at anything...i am sure im missing a ton of others...the lady vols do have the horses to go to battle...they just do not have the superstars to win the battles that truly matter...if uconn has 3 players on their team better than your best and then every other player is similar then you are going to lose way more than you win...then maybe holly and co. cant develop talent or are bad at evaluating it...massengale is average...russell is far from the top player in a class that included our own deshields...middleton shouldnt even be in uniform...
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So let me get this straight. You've already determined that Russell's career is going to be a bust based on a freshman season where she played with foot injuries so serious they required surgery that left her out for an entire season?

And how do you figure that Middleton "shouldn't even be in uniform?" You talk about recruiting the best players in the country, but a McDonalds All-American, 5-star recruit that was a consensus top-30 player in the country isn't good enough for you? And, once again, you've determined that based solely on her freshman year.

Guess what? Players get better. They aren't the same player as a sophomore, junior and senior as they are as a freshman. Izzy Harrison was awful as a freshman. She was a pre-season All-American this year.
 
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MasterShake Vol8 said:
Again injuries etc.. are a nice crutch to be able to fall back on when you do not meet expectations. Im sure there is a reason each of the past 7 years you can attribute to us failing short of expectations.
Bottom line...big time players and big time coaches get it done.
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Injuries are a nice crutch to fall back on? Are you serious with this stuff or are you just trolling us?

Assuming you're serious about the "big time players and big time coaches get it done" comment, name one other team in the last 20 years that has lost three starters, including the team's best player, for the season to injury and still met or exceeded expectations. How many Final Four teams are missing their best player?

Yes, they've had a Final Four drought. But they've won SEC championships, one regular season, one tournament, in Holly's first two seasons. Won the tournament the two years before that as well.
 
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