Protesters are now going to residential areas. Just a matter of time

[VolunteerHillbilly]

Over under on number of private jets waiting for takeoff at Van Nuys?

 

[happy-go_vol]

I dont care about Confederate statues. The manner in which it was done is sickening though and shouldnt be tolerated. And these thugs arent stopping at Confederate statues, which is a problem.

They never planned at stopping there, they'll destroy every church cross if they could, every resemblance of history if they could.

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

Statue removal is supposed to result in the erasure of all history, wake me up when that happens.

Whole lot of “they’re coming for YOU and AMERICA” and very little to show for it

The removal of history takes time and it’s happening before our very eyes. It’s a sad and weak willed society that cannot handle everyday life . So they become unhinges by a singular event and use said event to satisfy their insecurities and weakness. Let’s just get rid of anything that offends anyone right? Stop teaching about all wars in schools. Do away with the Trail of Tears, the Irish slaves, oppression of all races, the Holocaust and anything unpleasant. Maybe then people like you can actual handle things.

 

[0nelilreb]

Also. I don't live in fear of these guys. Just many of us called this would be the direction they would go a few weeks ago.

Because this is what happens when you push back hard against these cowards....lol at them turning and running....

Screeeeeech !

 

[NashVol11]

They never planned at stopping there, they'll destroy every church cross if they could, every resemblance of history if they could.

Let’s just get rid of anything that offends anyone right? Stop teaching about all wars in schools. Do away with the Trail of Tears, the Irish slaves, oppression of all races, the Holocaust and anything unpleasant.

Lol see? The alarmist garbage is already in full force in this thread too. (And there were no Irish slaves, indentured servants aren't slaves, history buff)

 

[NashVol11]

The removal of history takes time and it’s happening before our very eyes. It’s a sad and weak willed society that cannot handle everyday life . So they become unhinges by a singular event and use said event to satisfy their insecurities and weakness. Let’s just get rid of anything that offends anyone right? Stop teaching about all wars in schools. Do away with the Trail of Tears, the Irish slaves, oppression of all races, the Holocaust and anything unpleasant. Maybe then people like you can actual handle things.

We don't have any Hitler statues, nor any schools with an Adolf Hitler School of Business. Have we forgotten about WWII, or is he one of the most well-known figures in human history?

Once again, the idea that a statue of a racist is the singular key to preserving our history is unfathomably dumb. I haven't seen any single person advocate for erasing all wars from history classes, so link or your logical reasoning skills are trash.

 

[Orange_Crush]

Also. I don't live in fear of these guys. Just many of us called this would be the direction they would go a few weeks ago.

Because this is what happens when you push back hard against these cowards....lol at them turning and running....

It makes me mad when people say
I turned and ran like a scared rabbit.
Maybe it was like an angry rabbit,
who was running to go fight in another fight,
away from the first fight.

Jack Handey

 

[alexbond45]

We don't have any Hitler statues, nor any schools with an Adolf Hitler School of Business. Have we forgotten about WWII, or is he one of the most well-known figures in human history?

Once again, the idea that a statue of a racist is the singular key to preserving our history is unfathomably dumb. I haven't seen any single person advocate for erasing all wars from history classes, so link or your logical reasoning skills are trash.

Actually yes, I’ve met a great deal of people that honest to God know ****all about WW2. They just know Hitler was there and a bunch of Jews died, which is about as watered down and black/white as you can make something.

 

[NashVol11]

Actually yes, I’ve met a great deal of people that honest to God know ****all about WW2. They just know Hitler was there and a bunch of Jews died, which is about as watered down and black/white as you can make something.

And Hitler statues in city parks would do absolutely nothing whatsoever to rectify that.

 

[0nelilreb]

Actually yes, I’ve met a great deal of people that honest to God know ****all about WW2. They just know Hitler was there and a bunch of Jews died, which is about as watered down and black/white as you can make something.

Never in our history has a generation had endless access to endless information at their fingertips and turn out to be so ignorant of facts . It goes against all logic and shows that they have a lack of desire to learn anything that’s not directly affecting them at the moment.

 

[Volsfaninva917]

Again, tons of protestors in a conservative area like Tulsa, Oklahoma and nothing happened. Face it, most people aren’t like you internet tough guys.

Someone's crabby

 

[NashVol11]

Never in our history has a generation had endless access to endless information at their fingertips and turn out to be so ignorant of facts . It goes against all logic and shows that they have a lack of desire to learn anything that’s not directly affecting them at the moment.

I disagree, and to give one example, the idea that Columbus discovered America in 1492 and was this heroic explorer is much more "ignorant of facts" than the current view of him. Same with Gandhi, and the whitewashed version of him that glosses over his racism. Jesus being a blond guy with blue eyes was "ignorant of facts" as well. Old people just don't like the facts anymore

 

[landscapingvol]

Lol see? The alarmist garbage is already in full force in this thread too. (And there were no Irish slaves, indentured servants aren't slaves, history buff)

I know you wanted to sound smart but indentured servitude was absolutely a form of slavery: unpaid labor, owner of the contract owned the worker, many died and were beaten, very few fulfilled their contract/gained freedom

 

[landscapingvol]

I disagree, and to give one example, the idea that Columbus discovered America in 1492 and was this heroic explorer is much more "ignorant of facts" than the current view of him. Same with Gandhi, and the whitewashed version of him that glosses over his racism. Jesus being a blond guy with blue eyes was "ignorant of facts" as well. Old people just don't like the facts anymore

Since you have declared racism as the great evil, list all the historical figures that had a major influence on it that are deemed worthy of study. If Gandhi is out, then so is Nelson Mandela. His wife participated in the murder of a child and committed terrorist acts against the government.

 

[NashVol11]

I know you wanted to sound smart but indentured servitude was absolutely a form of slavery: unpaid labor, owner of the contract owned the worker, many died and were beaten, very few fulfilled their contract/gained freedom

It's indentured servitude. Categorizing it with the African slave trade is a depressingly transparent attempt to claim victimhood for white people.

Feel free to look this up, too. You'll have to scroll past a bunch of "Irish slaves myth" and "DEBUNKED: Irish people were not slaves" and "Irish historians: 'Irish people were not slaves'" type articles to find whatever point you're trying to make

 

[landscapingvol]

It's indentured servitude. Categorizing it with the African slave trade is a depressingly transparent attempt to claim victimhood for white people.

Feel free to look this up, too. You'll have to scroll past a bunch of "Irish slaves myth" and "DEBUNKED: Irish people were not slaves" and "Irish historians: 'Irish people were not slaves'" type articles to find whatever point you're trying to make

Could care less about the Irish, I am talking about indentured servitude and it has nothing to do with a particular race. You have no clue what you are talking about

 

[NashVol11]

Could care less about the Irish, I am talking about indentured servitude and it has nothing to do with a particular race. You have no clue what you are talking about

Then you're adding nothing to our conversation about "Irish slaves", and your last sentence is very ironic

 

[allvol123]

Could care less about the Irish, I am talking about indentured servitude and it has nothing to do with a particular race. You have no clue what you are talking about

This is clear.

 

[landscapingvol]

Then you're adding nothing to our conversation about "Irish slaves", and your last sentence is very ironic

Other than your opinions, what exactly are you adding to this conversation?

 

[NashVol11]

Other than your opinions, what exactly are you adding to this conversation?

This thread is all opinion, but "I don't disagree about Irish slaves but actually indentured servitude is technically a form of slavery, but again I'm not actually disagreeing with your overall point in any way" is a particularly nitpicky opinion. Nothing wrong with that, though

 

[landscapingvol]

This thread is all opinion, but "I don't disagree about Irish slaves but actually indentured servitude is technically a form of slavery, but again I'm not actually disagreeing with your overall point in any way" is a particularly nitpicky opinion. Nothing wrong with that, though

Slavery in Europe, North America, South America, and the Caribbean was wrong but it was no more wrong than the treatment of Native Americans. You cannot “right” past wrongs no matter how many statues or business are destroyed. History books will be empty if we remove every figure who had views on a subject that are no longer considered acceptable and that is what is lost in this entire discussion.

 

[landscapingvol]

Lyndon Johnson used the N-word repeatedly, should the Civil Rights Act be nullified because it was signed by an imperfect man? Absolutely not! Thomas Jefferson owned slaves but he helped author one of the greatest documents ever written. Robert E Lee was a brilliant General who fought with the South in one of the most important events on US history. His views on slavery do not lessen the importance of that event.

 

[VolunteerHillbilly]

Seems like we have a thread or two just for the statues but the subject keeps coming up. A lot of the monuments, particularly the mass produced stuff like the monument in the Franklin Square, were paid for by nickel and dime contributions collected in the names of widows and orphans of men who were drafted and marched off to die by the state that they lived in. Most of these men had never left the county they were born in and many were illiterate and had no clue as to nuances of constitutional scholarship concerning the 10th Amendment. And most of them not only didn't own a slave but had no realistic hope of ever having enough money to own a slave. Now, if you're a hate-filled person who can't get over your own sense of inferiority, you probably cannot ever accept that there is something noble and tender in many of those monuments and I guess I cannot fault you for that hate. I've never had to look at my skin and wonder why my own flesh and blood wouldn't fight to the death rather than be carted off into slavery. It's probably a humiliating and demoralizing feeling and makes people resentful of anything associated with the culture that was the master of their ancestor's bodies and minds. Even when the monuments and flags are gone, that knowledge will still be there eating at the souls of people who open themselves to hate, envy, and bitterness. I don't think there's any way this will ever be resolved.

 

[NashVol11]

Slavery in Europe, North America, South America, and the Caribbean was wrong but it was no more wrong than the treatment of Native Americans. You cannot “right” past wrongs no matter how many statues or business are destroyed. History books will be empty if we remove every figure who had views on a subject that are no longer considered acceptable and that is what is lost in this entire discussion.

That is not lost in any discussion because no one is trying to remove your favorite historical figure from the history books

 

[hUTch2002]

We don't have any Hitler statues, nor any schools with an Adolf Hitler School of Business. Have we forgotten about WWII, or is he one of the most well-known figures in human history?

Once again, the idea that a statue of a racist is the singular key to preserving our history is unfathomably dumb. I haven't seen any single person advocate for erasing all wars from history classes, so link or your logical reasoning skills are trash.

I understand your point but what does tearing down the statues actually accomplish? I’m assuming that isn’t the end game so what is the next step and when does it stop? What has to happen to declare the mission accomplished?