Protesters are now going to residential areas. Just a matter of time

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NashVol11 said:
I disagree, and to give one example, the idea that Columbus discovered America in 1492 and was this heroic explorer is much more "ignorant of facts" than the current view of him. Same with Gandhi, and the whitewashed version of him that glosses over his racism. Jesus being a blond guy with blue eyes was "ignorant of facts" as well. Old people just don't like the facts anymore
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Can you find those facts in 30 seconds on google ?
 
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NashVol11 said:
I disagree, and to give one example, the idea that Columbus discovered America in 1492 and was this heroic explorer is much more "ignorant of facts" than the current view of him. Same with Gandhi, and the whitewashed version of him that glosses over his racism. Jesus being a blond guy with blue eyes was "ignorant of facts" as well. Old people just don't like the facts anymore
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Same with the history of slavery. Most black people think a bunch of white dudes raided Africa and rounded up black folks while being in denial they were actually sold by their own people.
 
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hUTch2002 said:
I understand your point but what does tearing down the statues actually accomplish? I’m assuming that isn’t the end game so what is the next step and when does it stop? What has to happen to declare the mission accomplished?
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Probably unfair for me to speak for the people actually taking them down, but I would imagine that in part it's about correcting the historical record and honoring people who actually deserve it, instead of letting the Daughters of the Confederacy determine who our Civil War heroes are (or at least which ones we honor in public)
 
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NashVol11 said:
Probably unfair for me to speak for the people actually taking them down, but I would imagine that in part it's about correcting the historical record and honoring people who actually deserve it, instead of letting the Daughters of the Confederacy determine who our Civil War heroes are (or at least which ones we honor in public)
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So why are they defacing and tearing down statues of abolitionists?
 
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NashVol11 said:
Probably unfair for me to speak for the people actually taking them down, but I would imagine that in part it's about correcting the historical record and honoring people who actually deserve it, instead of letting the Daughters of the Confederacy determine who our Civil War heroes are (or at least which ones we honor in public)
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I don’t believe that’s the case .

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The last one is my favorite and a great example of ignorance these people are showing .
 
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Bigun said:
my guess is this taking place in Beverly Hills goes much better than it will some other areas.
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In 1969, Charles Mansion and his family of ghouls terrorized Hollywood in a rampage known as Helter Skelter culminating in the murder of a pregnant Sharon Tate and hubby, in order to incite a race war by planting evidence to link it to the Black Panther Party.

Hollywood would never be the same as it sought to become more liberal to avoid the horror of that time period.

Now in 2020, Black Lives Matter, considered to be made up of almost half white affiliation, seeks to terrorize Hollywood in plain sight after Hollywood has urged them on.
 
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NashVol11 said:
Probably unfair for me to speak for the people actually taking them down, but I would imagine that in part it's about correcting the historical record and honoring people who actually deserve it, instead of letting the Daughters of the Confederacy determine who our Civil War heroes are (or at least which ones we honor in public)
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Well until we actually talk to each other and LISTEN then nothing will change. What makes that tough is that you have people on both sides that don’t seem to truly want things fixed. You also have some people that aren’t open to truly listening because they don’t think there are any problems and then some see everything as a problem, even things that really aren’t. These are the people being propped up by the media and politicians so they can use it as an election platform. That’s what’s disgusting. The police are a great example. Most cops are good people trying to do the right thing. Some aren’t and the system is designed to protect those cops. Changes are needed but not abolishing police, taking tons of resources away, or removing all legal protections for them. They’re being asked to make life or death decisions in a split second. There needs to be some recognition of the difficulty of doing so while also holding them accountable on some level. I know they’re supposed to be highly trained but you just don’t know how people respond until they actually have to face a given situation. Look at how many people crash their vehicles to avoid hitting a small animal. I’m sure everyone at some point is told don’t swerve, that could lead to a wreck. But the reality is people swerve all the time, some into trees or head on collisions with other vehicles to avoid hitting a small animal. That’s an example most can relate to that pales in comparison to the pressure on an officer in a life threatening situation. Anyway, police reform is supposed to be a major issue that needs immediate attention but so far nothing has gotten done towards any real, sustainable change. Abolishing the police and/or making an autonomous zone are not long term solutions nor are they steps towards long term solutions. So why is this nonsense happening? It can’t be to get attention because the whole country is all over this. My company, as many likely are, is doing all kinds of things towards race relations. But what’s the end game here? Is it just police reform? If not, what else needs to change? Until we get some meaningful discussions and start taking reasonable actions this won’t end. The politicians at local, state, and Federal levels are who we seem to be looking to for solutions but they won’t solve jack sh*t unless it can be used for election purposes so to me I don’t see a good end to all this. My prediction is more pandering, a declared victory because of some lip service whether it comes from Trump, Biden, or other politicians, and then we’re back to business as usual. Sorry for the long rant. I just don’t think people are really thinking through any of this any further than how they stand to benefit from it so that gives me little faith in any meaningful change. Maybe we do get some police reform, which isn’t a bad thing, but I don’t see that as a black/white issue. I agree with Ras. That’s a good cop/bad cop issue as opposed to race.
 
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NashVol11 said:
And Hitler statues in city parks would do absolutely nothing whatsoever to rectify that.
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So let me ask you something. I understand the foolish notion that statues offend some people. But why does the feelings of those people override the feelings of those who aren’t offended? Esposince these statues have obviously not bothered that many people for so long?
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
So let me ask you something. I understand the foolish notion that statues offend some people. But why does the feelings of those people override the feelings of those who aren’t offended? Esposince these statues have obviously not bothered that many people for so long?
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Because most of us decided long ago that the Confederacy wasn’t something worth supporting? You could ask the question in your post about Jim Crow laws or literally anything else that changes after a period of time.
 
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NashVol11 said:
Many of you called that what would be the direction? That people would start peacefully protesting by walking down a street in Beverly Hills? Wow, we really should have been terrified
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So chants of "eat the rich" is a peaceful protest? I think you have probably marched in these and can identify several masked buddies.
 
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NashVol11 said:
Because most of us decided long ago that the Confederacy wasn’t something worth supporting? You could ask the question in your post about Jim Crow laws or literally anything else that changes after a period of time.
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Simply because you acknowledge that something happened historically in our nation doesn’t equate to “supporting” it. You cannot teach the history of the US without spending a lot of time on the Civil War. A lot of men who fought for the South did so out of loyalty to their states, not for the preservation of slavery, just like a lot of men who fought for the Union did so out of loyalty to their states, not for the freedom of slaves.
 
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NashVol11 said:
Because most of us decided long ago that the Confederacy wasn’t something worth supporting? You could ask the question in your post about Jim Crow laws or literally anything else that changes after a period of time.
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One would think Jim Crow laws disappeared or changed and yet we see segregation in our new community of CHAZ , and the state of Oregon decreeing that whites must wear masks but blacks don’t have to . I don’t know if anyone has informed those groups yet what that is actually called when you decree something based on skin color .
 
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NashVol11 said:
Yes, tearing down racist statues probably means they are going to come try and kill you and your loved ones next, or whatever the fear-mongering idea of the day is today
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Obviously you've missed the innocent people attacked, and even killed during these protests recently.
 
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landscapingvol said:
Simply because you acknowledge that something happened historically in our nation doesn’t equate to “supporting” it. You cannot teach the history of the US without spending a lot of time on the Civil War. A lot of men who fought for the South did so out of loyalty to their states, not for the preservation of slavery, just like a lot of men who fought for the Union did so out of loyalty to their states, not for the freedom of slaves.
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Acknowledgment isn't support, but putting those people on pedestals/naming buildings after them is. I don't think most people would support Germany putting up Nazi statues and talking about "well these guys really were fighting for their families, not for slaughtering Jews"
 
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