Pruitt & Staff incriminating texts - Fulmer's draft email in November

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I read the text messages and if anybody thinks this isn’t going on at all of the major schools, you’re fooling yourselves. If it wasn’t for the NIL, TENNESSEE may have gotten slammed! I think the

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Flipdaddy said:
I read the text messages and if anybody thinks this isn’t going on at all of the major schools, you’re fooling yourselves. If it wasn’t for the NIL, TENNESSEE may have gotten slammed! I think the

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Yeah, I just don’t think other staffs are as blatantly stupid as this bunch of clowns. They were the Keystone Cops of coaching. Tennessee’s response and actions are what mitigated the really bad punishment and Donde Plowman deserves a lot of credit. It could have been much worse.

Now having said that, I don’t quite understand how Will Wade at LSU gets caught on tape talking about “strong ass offers” and, outside of him being fired, I don’t recall any major sanctions so far on the program. Maybe I missed it. He immediately was able to coach again. Maybe because it was just an “offer”.
 
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If a coaching staff wants to cheat, they will. Some universities do it better than others, but I suspect most of them do to a certain extent. Some have been doing it forever, so they are very familiar with how to do it without getting caught. One thing, don't communicate by devices, do it anonymously off campus, designated bag men, who have a lot of expertise in getting the recruits the money. If I gave it more thought, I could probably come up with a lot more ways to do it without being obvious.
 
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Flipdaddy said:
I read the text messages and if anybody thinks this isn’t going on at all of the major schools, you’re fooling yourselves. If it wasn’t for the NIL, TENNESSEE may have gotten slammed! I think the

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I have a hard time imagining other schools are doing the same thing that went on here, to the degree it went on here, and yet no one of the folks involved ( players, staff, etc ) have ever let it get out. If you look at how brazen and open the violations were, and almost no attempt to cover it up, it's hard to imagine other schools could be doing the same thing and not getting caught. Not saying things at other schools are squeaky clean, but Pruitt and staff were slinging money every where and seem bent on violating every rule put in place.
 
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volfeeva said:
I have a hard time imagining other schools are doing the same thing that went on here, to the degree it went on here, and yet no one of the folks involved ( players, staff, etc ) have ever let it get out. If you look at how brazen and open the violations were, and almost no attempt to cover it up, it's hard to imagine other schools could be doing the same thing and not getting caught. Not saying things at other schools are squeaky clean, but Pruitt and staff were slinging money every where and seem bent on violating every rule put in place.
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Phil did everything he could to sweep it under the rug up to and including lobbying to keep him at Tennessee…

So everyone knew what was going on.
 
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I guess one can assume if x players left, then x players received compensation.
If the NCAA had any balls, they should look at every school that Pruitt coached at and every school that his wife worked in the compliance dept.
 
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ksgovols said:
She knew more than Fulmer did apparently. A whistleblower was her informant while Fulmer had his head in the sand apparently. Still culpable and he got what he deserved.
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Not sure I agree with that last part "he got what he deserved". If you mean he had to step down as AD but Plowman let him gracefully retire and paid him a big $ amount to leave. Not sure I buy he had his head in sand either but maybe he did. I still think he should have been fired and not retired.
 
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ALLVOL 4LIFE said:
I’m 100% sure that this is the first time any of these coaches cheated! No way they would cheat at the awesome institutes the were employed at in the past.
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Pruitt learned it at Bama. He just isn't smart enough to have learned how to do it and not get caught.
 
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VolDave53 said:
This from the Fulmer article is disturbing. "In the email titled “Football Appraisal,” Fulmer argued that Pruitt should be retained as coach.
“I am not (at) all advocating a change in football and hope we do not get there with pending issues,” Fulmer wrote. “I do believe we can overcome our challenges, and I have seen signs of progress.”
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I can just see him clapping and scowling as he said that drivel. Just like he’d do after another three and out.
 
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As stupid as we keep saying Pruitt and Co were, they probably don't get caught if a player's family member doesn't blow the whistle.

I also think if I were a big-time head coach, I would have an attorney FOIA all emails and correspondence related to coaching decisions at least annually.
 
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volfeeva said:
I have a hard time imagining other schools are doing the same thing that went on here, to the degree it went on here, and yet no one of the folks involved ( players, staff, etc ) have ever let it get out. If you look at how brazen and open the violations were, and almost no attempt to cover it up, it's hard to imagine other schools could be doing the same thing and not getting caught. Not saying things at other schools are squeaky clean, but Pruitt and staff were slinging money every where and seem bent on violating every rule put in place.
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Well sure maybe not as reckless but it’s clear it was happening. It has come out that several players getting paid by Tennessee went to other schools. They obviously got paid more. One in particular was a player that went to Georgia, I believe a tight end named Washington maybe.
 
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LargeOrange1 said:
1000% agree.
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That's exactly why he should be inconspicuous around campus. Yes, it's ok to be there for sporting events, in his seat, but avoiding any publicity. He is from the town I've lived in on and off for the last 55 years. I saw him play in high school and college. No doubt he bleeds orange. His second job was the OL coach for the Vols. He was a GREAT OL COACH. Think about how good our OL was in the mid 1980s. The players he recruited were special. Bruce Wilkerson, Harry Galbreath, Antone Davis, Charles McRae, Mike Stowell, etc........

I was ALL IN on him being HC after Majors. Defended him often in the few years before the national championship. Looking back on it, I know he was a top shelf recruiter. His 2001 team was FREAKING loaded. We won because we had batter players than everyone. The Georgia and LSU losses were somewhat of game management incompetence. I won't even go into 2002-2008
 
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PlanetVolunteer said:
Donde Plowman was already "thinking" about firing him? Lol
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She was listening to the fanbase…and reality. Knew Fulmer was against it. Hence the overwhelming malaise I was feeling during that timeframe. I would’ve reentered, of course. I was already looking at prospective OL coaches and hoping they’d bring in an offensive mind to improve the zero ledger that was the offense…if not completely take it over. Knowing neither Pruitt nor Fulmer would ease up on the micromanagement didn’t lend much hope.
 
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Rocky Top T said:
Fulmer was such a idiot. Whistleblower didn't even trust him, went straight to Plowman. I wouldn't trust Fulmer for a second
He should be ashamed for taking money from Tennessee for that piss poor job he did!
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Off topic, Fulmer would have let Barnes go to UCLA in 2019 if Boyd had not intervened and UCLA had paid the $5 million dollar buyout in Barnes's contract at the time.
 
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butchna said:
She was listening to the fanbase…and reality. Knew Fulmer was against it. Hence the overwhelming malaise I was feeling during that timeframe. I would’ve reentered, of course. I was already looking at prospective OL coaches and hoping they’d bring in an offensive mind to improve the zero ledger that was the offense…if not completely take it over. Knowing neither Pruitt nor Fulmer would ease up on the micromanagement didn’t lend much hope.
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I was really saying

Shouldn't she have "KNOWN" that she was firing him?

By November that should have been a certainty. Especially after the damn Kentucky game.

But I mean of course she wouldn't want to say out loud that she knew she was gonna fire him.
 
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