Put up or Shut up time

[IPleadInsanity]

I agree this is an important game but not much will change with a loss. This coaching regime is here too stay for several years and they know it. Another coaching change within the next 3 years would be a disaster, similar to Notre Dame, Nebraska and Michigan's recent situation. Get the cupboard fully stocked and then who the coach is will matter a lot less.

 

[oregonvol]

The thought of putting another coach on the hot seat after a little more than one season is insane.

Okay. But that statement doesn't answer any of my questions and doesn't have any bearing on your previous statement.

...also, just checked the article and this thread. No one mentions a "hot seat" except you. So, I'm not sure what you are even talking about. Or are you just trying to obscure the issue with the same old tired straw man tropes?

 

[sjt18]

I just don't feel that a loss this Saturday would "shorten the leash" or "heat the seat" any more than the losses to UGA or OU.

But there is a cumulative effect. He's 1-5 against those most critical opponents now... and USCe really doesn't belong on the list. UT's measuring sticks are really Bama, UF, and UGA. If he loses this Saturday then he's 1-6 with a likely loss to Bama looming.

Majors was basically fired because he couldn't beat Bama. Fulmer's legacy will forever be marred because he couldn't beat UF. UT's HC proves himself against those major rivals.

On paper and with most pundits, Tennessee is supposed to lose this game. Even after the defeat to Georgia this Vol team is upbeat and ready for Saturday's task.

I think there's a good bit more doubt among the pundits... and on paper once you factor in coaching. The oddsmakers thought it would be close and the bettors seem to think UT wins.

I think that by the time Verne and Gary warm up their vocal chords for the 3:30 Ole Miss - Bama game we will be hearing a surprised "Oh my!" at the final score in Neyland.

Oh I tend to agree with that except Verne will probably give credit to Butch Davis and QB Jason Worthy.

 

[sjt18]

The thought of putting another coach on the hot seat after a little more than one season is insane.

He won't be on a hot seat after one season. If he fails to make a bowl then he will be on a hot seat in '15. That's after two seasons.

That isn't a statement about your loyalty or even Jones' ability. It is just an observation of the UT fanbase and many others. You can believe that UT will have patience. You can even rightly point out that it is a minority who are against him.... but dissatisfied minorities are LOUD and they get heard. It wasn't the 90,000 that showed up that put pressure on Dooley.... it was the 12,000 who didn't.

 

[vtvol98]

But there is a cumulative effect. He's 1-5 against those most critical opponents now... and USCe really doesn't belong on the list. UT's measuring sticks are really Bama, UF, and UGA. If he loses this Saturday then he's 1-6 with a likely loss to Bama looming.

Majors was basically fired because he couldn't beat Bama. Fulmer's legacy will forever be marred because he couldn't beat UF. UT's HC proves himself against those major rivals.

I think there's a good bit more doubt among the pundits... and on paper once you factor in coaching. The oddsmakers thought it would be close and the bettors seem to think UT wins.



Oh I tend to agree with that except Verne will probably give credit to Butch Davis and QB Jason Worthy.

And report that Timmy Tebow was out for the game.

 

[vtvol98]

He won't be on a hot seat after one season. If he fails to make a bowl then he will be on a hot seat in '15. That's after two seasons.

That isn't a statement about your loyalty or even Jones' ability. It is just an observation of the UT fanbase and many others. You can believe that UT will have patience. You can even rightly point out that it is a minority who are against him.... but dissatisfied minorities are LOUD and they get heard. It wasn't the 90,000 that showed up that put pressure on Dooley.... it was the 12,000 who didn't.

I think it was the 90,000 who booed his decision to kneel on the ball with a plethora of future NFLers on offense with 37 seconds and timeouts remaining against Mizzou who were heard the loudest.

 

[GAVOL1973]

what is the best way to get in touch with freak.....

 

[vtvol98]

what is the best way to get in touch with freak.....

Post some profanity on here.

 

[GAVOL1973]

Post some profanity on here.

Thanks

 

[orangebloodgmc]

Wiedmer, no, it's not do or die.

And my opinion counts more than yours, because I have more dignity.




:shaking2: :boobies: ukeb: :cool2:

 

[92volalum]

It's short-trigger thinking like this that has given us 3 coaches in six years. Butch has done a wonderful job in recruiting and has gotten the kids to buy into his system. He has instilled discipline and continues to develop the talent on the current roster. This year's team has played better than most of us have expected and light years better than their performances under the prior regime. Win or lose, this is not the pivotal game of Butch's career that some are making it out to be.

so when is it... n todays football u either start winning n year two... im sorry all the other stuff is exactly what any good coach/would/be doing so at some point it has to start showing up in the win column..thats why it sports n they make big money..
the days of 5 yrs to build a bowl team is over..

7 n 5 or bust

 

[ArmyVol697]

If we beat them, is it an upset? Or if they beat us, do we say they pulled the upset?

 

[golf437]

No reason we shouldn't win. If Jones wants a "new attitude" around the program, this is a must win.

Not close to being true.

 

[CountVolcula]

I want UT to win this game as badly as anyone but I don't see it as a season defining nor a career defining game for Butch and his staff. Would a win go a long way towards recruiting, goodwill from the fans, alumni, and board of trustees alike, a potential second place standing in the SEC east, and the ending of a nine year drought against Florida? Absolutely. I just don't feel that a loss this Saturday would "shorten the leash" or "heat the seat" any more than the losses to UGA or OU. On paper and with most pundits, Tennessee is supposed to lose this game. Even after the defeat to Georgia this Vol team is upbeat and ready for Saturday's task. I think that by the time Verne and Gary warm up their vocal chords for the 3:30 Ole Miss - Bama game we will be hearing a surprised "Oh my!" at the final score in Neyland.

If you don't see UT losing to a very beatable Florida team, at home, as an issue, I don't know what to tell you

 

[checkerboards09]

Not close to being true.

This is THE statement game imo. They hold the longest active streak and if we wanna show "we're back" then we gotta win this one.We should wipe the floor with this team. We've done it before and we are d*** sure capable of doing it again.

 

[orangeluvr]

Weidmer is a bamer fan. :yes:

 

[BeecherVol]

The thought of putting another coach on the hot seat after a little more than one season is insane.

Hot seat? No.

Open up a lot of questions about where this season goes which has a direct effect on next year (3)? Absolutely.

I think Jones knows it. He was playing with house money last year and through OU and GA this year. This game along with a handful more on the schedule are measured by Ws and Ls. You can grab positives in Ls against better teams. Thats not the case this week.

 

[MedicT]

This is THE statement game imo. They hold the longest active streak and if we wanna show "we're back" then we gotta win this one.We should wipe the floor with this team. We've done it before and we are d*** sure capable of doing it again.

The problem is UT isn't "back." On the way "back," yes but not there yet. Sorry to break it to ya, but the road is a longer than you want it to be.

 

[BeecherVol]

The problem is UT isn't "back." On the way "back," yes but not there yet. Sorry to break it to ya, but the road is a longer than you want it to be.

Agree with most of that. UT is out of the ditch and back on the road again.

This weekend is about beating a team thats not that good at your place because you have a better team and staff at this point. It just happens to be UF and that adds to the perception of a W. An L means you just lost to a bad team that will probably be coach hunting in a couple months.

 

[Titan&Volfan4life]

1/2 our O line are freshmen, RB a freshman, several WR's are freshmen and that's just on the O side of the ball.

Playing 20+ freshmen means we're NOT even close to being back!

Especially in the SEC where quality depth and real game experience does mean alot.

When we WIN it only means we're a tiny bit ahead of schedule but a loss only means we're still a recruiting class or 2 away from climbing farther up the mountain.

Far too many people here on VN always OVERexpect and then whine and cry with every loss that really hurts worse because they set themselves up to hurt worse with their overexpectatons.

Then they blame everything on the coaches and scream for new coaches which IS totally moronic.

buTch has only 1 of his recruiting classes on campus and all those kids are true freshmen which ARE already playing beyond any reasonable expectations so early in a really tough season.

His 2nd recruiting class is already looking really good too so we WILL see even more improvements next year.

I want to WIN as much as anyone else but to already be saying buTch must win or else this season or he's on the hot seat is just plain dumb!

I want to stomp floriDUHH more than anyone else but if we lose I'll be a mature adult and know that buTch hasn't had the time yet to stockpile enough 4* and 5* talent and get them coached up with plenty of real game experience...YET!

Instant gratification does NOT happen often in college football especially when the roster talent was almost bare 1 year ago and we've only had 1 really good recruiting class added so far.

When we are back we'll never be forced to play 20+ true freshmen because we have no other options and intelligent people know that.

It's totaly amazing that so many true freshmen have been coached up so fast and are playing so well already and that's proof that buTch and his staff can coach damn well.

Instant gratification seekers and overexpecters are a big part of the problem with our footVol program and in our situation I expected it to take 3 or 4 recruiting classes to compete with all the talent rich teams in the always brutal SEC.

Anyone that can't already see good progress with 20+ true freshmen forced to play is blind and talking hot seat already makes them also plain dumb about how to build a serious college football program.

I believe we have a chance to end the damn streak with floriDUHH this weekend and when we WIN this game then give thanks to buTch and his staff for great recruiting and great coaching!

#BrickbyBrick...#RiseToTheTop...VFL...GBO!!!

 

[governmentmule]

Huh? Please explain.

You think Dooley just needed more time? That things were improving?

You think Kiffin ran to USC because there was just too much pressure to win here?

You think Fulmer was actually going to turn things around after trending down for a decade?

I see alot of folks on here make statements like yours and they make no sense to me.

Hart cut Dooley off at the knees

who knows what Kiffin was thinking,he was a USC homer,as we all know now

and Fulmer ? all he needed was an OC,which is his fault for not getting one ready for the SEC and no i don't get all the hate for the 2nd winningest coach in UT history


and no,it isn't put up or shut up time for CBJ and company at all,I personally thought he needed 5 to 6 years to get the program back to where is should be at,a win or lost against Fla isn't going to matter much

except to the fans,give him time,it is needed , along with depth,he is recruiting good and will get UT back to the top

 

[orange parmejohn]

Hot seat? No.

Open up a lot of questions about where this season goes which has a direct effect on next year (3)? Absolutely.

I think Jones knows it. He was playing with house money last year and through OU and GA this year. This game along with a handful more on the schedule are measured by Ws and Ls. You can grab positives in Ls against better teams. Thats not the case this week.

Agreed. This game isn't going to affect Jones' job security in any way but will be a huge lossed opportunity to solidify the dream that Jones is selling, if we lose. It also increases the pressure of winning latter games to make a bowl.

 

[orange parmejohn]

1/2 our O line are freshmen, RB a freshman, several WR's are freshmen and that's just on the O side of the ball.

Playing 20+ freshmen means we're NOT even close to being back!

Especially in the SEC where quality depth and real game experience does mean alot.

When we WIN it only means we're a tiny bit ahead of schedule but a loss only means we're still a recruiting class or 2 away from climbing farther up the mountain.

Far too many people here on VN always OVERexpect and then whine and cry with every loss that really hurts worse because they set themselves up to hurt worse with their overexpectatons.

Then they blame everything on the coaches and scream for new coaches which IS totally moronic.

buTch has only 1 of his recruiting classes on campus and all those kids are true freshmen which ARE already playing beyond any reasonable expectations so early in a really tough season.

His 2nd recruiting class is already looking really good too so we WILL see even more improvements next year.

I want to WIN as much as anyone else but to already be saying buTch must win or else this season or he's on the hot seat is just plain dumb!

I want to stomp floriDUHH more than anyone else but if we lose I'll be a mature adult and know that buTch hasn't had the time yet to stockpile enough 4* and 5* talent and get them coached up with plenty of real game experience...YET!

Instant gratification does NOT happen often in college football especially when the roster talent was almost bare 1 year ago and we've only had 1 really good recruiting class added so far.

When we are back we'll never be forced to play 20+ true freshmen because we have no other options and intelligent people know that.

It's totaly amazing that so many true freshmen have been coached up so fast and are playing so well already and that's proof that buTch and his staff can coach damn well.

Instant gratification seekers and overexpecters are a big part of the problem with our footVol program and in our situation I expected it to take 3 or 4 recruiting classes to compete with all the talent rich teams in the always brutal SEC.

Anyone that can't already see good progress with 20+ true freshmen forced to play is blind and talking hot seat already makes them also plain dumb about how to build a serious college football program.

I believe we have a chance to end the damn streak with floriDUHH this weekend and when we WIN this game then give thanks to buTch and his staff for great recruiting and great coaching!

#BrickbyBrick...#RiseToTheTop...VFL...GBO!!!

Very well thought out post and great points about the reality of our program, although I don't agree that Jones needs 4 recruiting classes to compete. I want to contradict a little, even though I agree with you. To expect a win against a beatable UF team is more about believing in our team than instant gratification. Jones deserves time to build his team and will get it, but he has to win winnable games and is fully accountable for winning or losing them. Again, good post.

 

[governmentmule]

1/2 our O line are freshmen, RB a freshman, several WR's are freshmen and that's just on the O side of the ball.

Playing 20+ freshmen means we're NOT even close to being back!


I believe we have a chance to end the damn streak with floriDUHH this weekend and when we WIN this game then give thanks to buTch and his staff for great recruiting and great coaching!

#BrickbyBrick...#RiseToTheTop...VFL...GBO!!!

great post

 

[VolFootballlover]

Agreed. This game isn't going to affect Jones' job security in any way but will be a huge lossed opportunity to solidify the dream that Jones is selling, if we lose. It also increases the pressure of winning latter games to make a bowl.

I may be wrong but the clock is ticking for Jones to start winning some games .year 3 he will not have any excuses. Year 4 will decide if he can make it .