PWO's

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Mr French said:
Because they have to make the grades to achieve an academic scholarship... athletic scholarships are derived from endowments. For instance, I doubt a Niswonger scholarship recipients are 4* and 5* athletes. Also athletic scholarships were entitled to "stipends" that effectively paid them pocket money. With NIL that changes things and a PWO now has the ability to make the same money as an athletic scholarship player while paying for their school through an academic scholarship and not really paying out of pocket for meal plans and etc.
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You could be right but most schools will have exceptions. Webb and Williams for certain would have qualified for academic scholarships. I believe one of the DL signees would have too. Dobbs?

Just a mystery that schools haven't used it more effectively.
 
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RAVOL said:
We have never taken 3 star kids who have abilities to play at good FCS program. and some who have offers to Sunbelt Conference USA ect so much better PWO. No doubt Tn using NIL this way until we are ready to go after big guns. In CHRIST Alone
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Never is a long time... but this year definitely seems to be an upgrade in PWO talent.
 
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sjt18 said:
You could be right but most schools will have exceptions. Webb and Williams for certain would have qualified for academic scholarships. I believe one of the DL signees would have too. Dobbs?

Just a mystery that schools haven't used it more effectively.
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It's brand new and BYU has done it. The simplified answer is basically PWO become full ride players with pocket change and full rides become professionally paid athletes with marketability. Now those diamonds that fall to the FCS for a full ride will go to D1 power 5's that utilize the NIL in a way they're pretty much full ride athletes.
 
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sjt18 said:
Never is a long time... but this year definitely seems to be an upgrade in PWO talent.
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The number we are getting via PWO is like I've never seen before. One would think a kid would stay close to home just to save the thousands in housing and meals. Makes one think they are getting NIL money to cover these costs. We may never know as there are little or no regulations on how NIL money can be spent. Nor do they have to release who they spend it on. Who knows?
 
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It will definitely help our depth down the road. Have these capable walk ons replace your traditional walk on with no chance.

We had a very good first year with heupel. Bring a lot of guys back. Signed a top 15 class. Have one legit transfer in Mincey. Then the best PWO class ever.

Still holding out hope that we will address our other areas of need by the end of spring.

My hope stems from guys like AP and Callahan not sounding the alarm yet because they know they will be a wave of dudes after the spring.

However, my excitement will be tempered a little bit until then...if we had landed Verse and Neyor we'd be tickled silly right now.
 
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Devo182 said:
Afaik a PWO doesn't have to go through tryouts or, ir he does, he has the word of coaches he already has a spot.

It's basically just an agreement you have a spot. The classic walkon tries out...Rudy and such.
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They also get medical care and books as well as training table privileges. May be more but I’ve heard those mentioned as advantages.
 
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We will have the best Orange & White games ever!



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sjt18 said:
There's a lot of banter over UT getting or not getting scholarship signees with top end talent. But can those with more roster/recruiting insight speak to the quality of PWO's UT has gotten in this cycle? According to a different site, Jamar Price who was previously committed to play RB for AFA has now accepted a PWO offer from UT.

I just do not remember a class in the past where UT got this many PWO's who had legitimate offers and interest from other good FBS programs. Is it just more reporting or is this a change?
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Thats crazy I almost created a thread on this 5 minutes ago. Glad I didn't. I would have caught hell. I agree. I think the talent pool of people we have brought on is at least larger if not better than what our ranking shows. I think we may surprise some people as we know that our coaches can coach up talent. Here is this kid.

Ben Bolton
Runs a 4.5 40
6' 3"
LB
Has a 5.0 GPA

Probably got an academic scholarship. Only downside is he is only at 213, but that's what this Spring and Summer are for!

 
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Vols410 said:
Agree. Is anyone else doing this to the extent we are? Hard to tell when they don't show up on the recruiting sites.
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I think is a brilliant move by cjh, If some of the old timers ( like myself) remember Nebraska in the 80s used this philosophy. It seemed like every year Nebraska would have some walk on lineman that looked to be 30 years of age play his senior year and dominant.
It was a great system allowing kids that grew up corn husker fans to develop physically.
 
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sjt18 said:
There's a lot of banter over UT getting or not getting scholarship signees with top end talent. But can those with more roster/recruiting insight speak to the quality of PWO's UT has gotten in this cycle? According to a different site, Jamar Price who was previously committed to play RB for AFA has now accepted a PWO offer from UT.

I just do not remember a class in the past where UT got this many PWO's who had legitimate offers and interest from other good FBS programs. Is it just more reporting or is this a change?
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This is new and it’s all because of NIL
 
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vegasvolfan said:
Thats crazy I almost created a thread on this 5 minutes ago. Glad I didn't. I would have caught hell. I agree. I think the talent pool of people we have brought on is at least larger if not better than what our ranking shows. I think we may surprise some people as we know that our coaches can coach up talent. Here is this kid.

Ben Bolton
Runs a 4.5 40
6' 3"
LB
Has a 5.0 GPA

Probably got an academic scholarship. Only downside is he is only at 213, but that's what this Spring and Summer are for!

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Check out his highlights, looks very good. The Bigelow kid looks just as good, if not better
 
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Anybody know if is currently legal or could it become legal for the state of Tennessee to create waivers for out of state players attending state colleges and universities with verifiable PWO offers or maybe even regular walkon status to be extended in state tuition or comparable rates? That would not be an unlimited or uncontrollable situation to monitor and don't see how it could be out of compliance with NCAA. Official letters from athletic departments to registrars should do the trick and limits could be established for each tuition period. No reason to exceed the 20 PWO and roughly 20 additional roster spots and all applicable academic requirements of in state kids could be enforced. I have heard there are other non athletic reciprocal agreements in place.

This could create real opportunities to compete with their in state schools when they live within a 4-5 hour drive radius of Neyland.in parts of KY, VA, NC, SC, GA and AL. It could become a tool with both HS and portal players. A better pool to look for recruiting service misses among players not wanting to move down to group of 5 type schools. Combined with NIL maybe a real factor? The times they are a changing.
 
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vegasvolfan said:
Thats crazy I almost created a thread on this 5 minutes ago. Glad I didn't. I would have caught hell. I agree. I think the talent pool of people we have brought on is at least larger if not better than what our ranking shows. I think we may surprise some people as we know that our coaches can coach up talent. Here is this kid.

Ben Bolton
Runs a 4.5 40
6' 3"
LB
Has a 5.0 GPA

Probably got an academic scholarship. Only downside is he is only at 213, but that's what this Spring and Summer are for!

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Yeah. I was shocked when I saw a kid with his 100 m time as a PWO. Even if not P5, there has to be schools who would have given him a full ride.
 
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There is a chance a walk-on will play meaningful snaps but the real benefit is fielding a better scout team that will challenge the players to get better and help the team prepare for opponents week in and out.
 
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Got to think this is big win for TN, with little to no risk. I think one of the kids actually had a scholarship to MSU, but came to TN as PWO. My thought is more of these will work out than some want to believe. Get them in the S&C program for a year and the results could be astounding. You have to think the determination, work ethic, and desire to prove their self is there, just give them a chance. JMO
Go Vols!!
 
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PlanetVolunteer said:
It will definitely help our depth down the road. Have these capable walk ons replace your traditional walk on with no chance.

We had a very good first year with heupel. Bring a lot of guys back. Signed a top 15 class. Have one legit transfer in Mincey. Then the best PWO class ever.

Still holding out hope that we will address our other areas of need by the end of spring.

My hope stems from guys like AP and Callahan not sounding the alarm yet because they know they will be a wave of dudes after the spring.

However, my excitement will be tempered a little bit until then...if we had landed Verse and Neyor we'd be tickled silly right now.
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The other significance of these 3* PWOs is that they increase competition in practice, therefore making everyone better.
 
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Geaux_Vols said:
Think this is going to become a lot more common as teams lean on the transfer portal more and more. Looks like a few of these guys might pan out pretty nicely.
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that and nil makes the sting of not getting a scholarship not so painful.
 
#45
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vegasvolfan said:
Thats crazy I almost created a thread on this 5 minutes ago. Glad I didn't. I would have caught hell. I agree. I think the talent pool of people we have brought on is at least larger if not better than what our ranking shows. I think we may surprise some people as we know that our coaches can coach up talent. Here is this kid.

Ben Bolton
Runs a 4.5 40
6' 3"
LB
Has a 5.0 GPA

Probably got an academic scholarship. Only downside is he is only at 213, but that's what this Spring and Summer are for!

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Watching his highlights...this kid can play. Was a coup to get this guy as a PWO..
 
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Coach Heup "You going to limit me to 73 scholarships I'll find another way to bring in talent." CLEVER.
 
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windrider said:
Do Preferred walk-ons have the same privileges as scholarship players, such as dining, dormitory, training room, athletic gear and other items?
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As a former UT walk on back in the Coach Fulmer days, I can verify that All players, PWO or normal Walk-Ons, have same access to dining (have to pay for out of pocket to eat at athletic dining hall), dormitory (if there is space), training room, gear, weight room, athletic facilities such as players lounges, study tutors, etc... Typically walk-ons have to pay for dining and dorm, but can live in the athletic dorms if their is room and willing to pay the higher rooming cost
NOTE- While walk ons have to pay for eating at athletic dining hall, the in house nutrition is usually free (think protein shakes, post workout recovery snacks, etc)..
 
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itsme said:
Is Spyre helping to offset some of the costs for the PWO's? If so, this is a stroke of genius to do so.
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Spyre is making deals for current student-athletes. That's all we know.

Who knows what they could have presented to various people as benchmarks.
 
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