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NorthDallas40 said:
Your federal government is throwing a butt load of money at directed energy weapons. And I mean a butt load. Airborne LASER was a chem LASER I’m pretty sure at least in one incarnation. It was more of a test mule l believe, to help learn the technology. And chemical LASERS do pack some serious power but they tend to eat themselves in the process.

The technology is evolving very rapidly so I’d guess having a death ray parked in orbit is highly unlikely. Space programs take years to put up and by the time the weapon was on the launch pad it would be obsolete today. But I have no doubt that is the goal.

Just due to the distance involved going from orbit to the earth surface causes a severe loss in focused power due to beam divergence and pointing jitter. Not saying there isn’t space based applications for LASERS today just that a weapon is probably not ready for prime time yet.

As to what happens to most of these “shelved” programs well many of them originate in DARPA. And DARPA is a pie in the sky group meaning they fail to meet their objectives at least half the time. But that’s the point they are pushing the technology envelope. In the industry there is a maturity scale called Tech Readiness Level or TRL and it goes from I believe 1 (lowest maturity) to 10 (mature commodity production technology). Most of DARPA’s stuff is TRL 1-3 and 3 is max for them. So the answer is they are shelved until somebody has another wild idea to take it out of moth balls and use it as a test mule on some new technology demonstrator. That’s happened with Airborne LASER a couple of times I believe.

Oh and patents with gubmint money... lol. The patent will protect you... unless they want to take it and give it to another company. The government asserts rights all the time on contractor IP. We got bit by it majorly on an Army program.
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3? We've payed billions for a 3? I've read the generations they go through and why they get scraped. Seems like projects in the works would have seen the futility of chem lasers and their burdonsome load early in project planning to shut it down before 9b was spent. I get the take that the "military industrial complex" is just enriching themselves with no reliable usable long term military weaponry coming out of it, they have done it for years.
So what do you know about EM weapons. There are nuclear and non nuclear from my understanding. Is there present use for these weapons?
 
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NurseGoodVol said:
3? We've payed billions for a 3? I've read the generations they go through and why they get scraped. Seems like projects in the works would have seen the futility of chem lasers and their burdonsome load early in project planning to shut it down before 9b was spent. I get the take that the "military industrial complex" is just enriching themselves with no reliable usable long term military weaponry coming out of it, they have done it for years.
So what do you know about EM weapons. There are nuclear and non nuclear from my understanding. Is there present use for these weapons?
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@NorthDallas40, after this one what do you know about microwave weapons or is that the same as DEW?
 
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NurseGoodVol said:
3? We've payed billions for a 3? I've read the generations they go through and why they get scraped. Seems like projects in the works would have seen the futility of chem lasers and their burdonsome load early in project planning to shut it down before 9b was spent. I get the take that the "military industrial complex" is just enriching themselves with no reliable usable long term military weaponry coming out of it, they have done it for years.
So what do you know about EM weapons. There are nuclear and non nuclear from my understanding. Is there present use for these weapons?
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I don’t know much about the EM stuff like rail guns etc...
 
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NurseGoodVol said:
Does that include laser guided weaponry?
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So kinda. While a LASER designator is a directed energy weapon it’s primary function is targeting. Those LASERS are pulsed with a very narrow pulse. Their instantaneous power is huge but their average power is quite low. The DEW death rays tend to be continuous wave not pulsed. A designator can blind a human but it won’t shoot down a solid target.
 
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ajvol01 said:
Was the laser stuff in Real Genius realistic at all?
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So kinda. When focused LASERS are very powerful we have LASER drills in industry today. But the death ray that bores a hole thru a statute, four buildings, etc... no not really. That much power is just not feasible to maintain for long periods.
 
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ajvol01 said:
Fun movie though
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Oh the major problem with the boring LASER in Real Genius while power related but it gets back to focus. For a LASER drill you focus the beam at a point which exponentially raises the flux density. But once you go thru that focal distance the beam is now diverging and thus to maintain that density you have to add ridiculous power. So that’s why you don’t bore a column thru the statue, four buildings, etc... a la Star Trek phasers. Not yet anyway!
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
So kinda. When focused LASERS are very powerful we have LASER drills in industry today. But the death ray that bores a hole thru a statute, four buildings, etc... no not really. That much power is just not feasible to maintain for long periods.
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So I saw The ABL that use target illuminator then the Second laser that cuts out environmental clutter then the HEL laser to heat missiles just long enough to distruct the missile. Is that something you are familiar with?
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
Oh the major problem with the boring LASER in Real Genius while power related but it gets back to focus. For a LASER drill you focus the beam at a point which exponentially raises the flux density. But once you go thru that focal distance the beam is now diverging and thus to maintain that density you have to add ridiculous power. So that’s why you don’t bore a column thru the statue, four buildings, etc... a la Star Trek phasers. Not yet anyway!
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That kinda answered one thing I was thinking about.
 
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NurseGoodVol said:
So I saw The ABL that use target illuminator then the Second laser that cuts out environmental clutter then the HEL laser to heat missiles just long enough to distruct the missile. Is that something you are familiar with?
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Soooooooo not gonna get into the different functions of the various transmitters these devices might or might not carry on them. Sorry.
 
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NurseGoodVol said:
That kinda answered one thing I was thinking about.
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Yep. It’s a bit of an Achilles heel. A bullet maintains its mass but bleeds off speed and thus energy. The LASER equivalent is you pick one magical distance point where you are a God and then your **** gets pretty weak quickly as you get away from that distance. Just like frying ants or plastic army men with your single lens magnifier as a youngun.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
Yep. It’s a bit of an Achilles heel. A bullet maintains its mass but bleeds off speed and thus energy. The LASER equivalent is you pick one magical distance point where you are a God and then your **** gets pretty weak quickly as you get away from that distance. Just like frying ants or plastic army men with your single lens magnifier as a youngun.
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Right that's the same ant/magnifier thing that came to mind. Sorry picking your brain so much, better to have perspective of someone who does this for a living.
 
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