Question Re: Voter Access

[therealUT]

One of the oft stated reasons I come across from those who want voter photo ID laws is that a vote cast from an illegal immigrant cancels out a vote from a citizen.

My question is, as an American citizen what minimum "gates" have you passed through that make you feel entitled to vote while barring an illegal immigrant from voting?

 

[Thrasher865]

I pay taxes!

 

[Lexvol]

One of the oft stated reasons I come across from those who want voter photo ID laws is that a vote cast from an illegal immigrant cancels out a vote from a citizen.

My question is, as an American citizen what minimum "gates" have you passed through that make you feel entitled to vote while barring an illegal immigrant from voting?

So asking that people vote legally=feeling entitled? Fascinating.

I've had to show an ID every time I've voted.

 

[YorkVol]

How many Americans feel the need to vote in other country's elections?

 

[golfballs]

How many Americans feel the need to vote in other country's elections?

I'm pissed when I am denied my right to vote in other countries!!

 

[therealUT]

I pay taxes!

There are plenty of illegal immigrants that pay taxes; and, there are plenty of Citizens that do not.

 

[hog88]

One of the oft stated reasons I come across from those who want voter photo ID laws is that a vote cast from an illegal immigrant cancels out a vote from a citizen.

My question is, as an American citizen what minimum "gates" have you passed through that make you feel entitled to vote while barring an illegal immigrant from voting?

This is an absurd question but coming from you I'm not suprised.

The better question is:

As an illegal resident of the US what makes you feel entitled to vote in an election?

 

[golfballs]

Question: why are borders important? does it even matter that we identify ourselves as the united states? aren't we all just one big human race? brothers and sisters of the same planet?

 

[therealUT]

This is an absurd question but coming from you I'm not suprised.

The better question is:

As an illegal resident of the US what makes you feel entitled to vote in an election?

You might pay taxes and fulfill just as many, if not more, civic duties than the average voting citizen.

 

[hog88]

You might pay taxes and fulfill just as many, if not more, civic duties than the average voting citizen.

Your mere pressence her is, let me see what is that word, ILLEGAL! To you philosophy graduates that means breaking the law.

 

[golfballs]

You might pay taxes and fulfill just as many, if not more, civic duties than the average voting citizen.

then they should go through the process of becoming one. Then they can vote. It's not very complicated.

 

[golfballs]

They could also be serial killers for all we know.

 

[utvolpj]

so you favor open elections in every country? If I'm on vacation in Mexico should I be allowed to walk into a polling place and vote?

 

[therealUT]

Your mere pressence her is, let me see what is that word, ILLEGAL! To you philosophy graduates that means breaking the law.

Well, if the State does something, must be right and we better abide...

Sorry, I obey statutes out of convenience; nothing more, nothing less. I look to other principles to tell me what I ought to do; if those principles tell me that I ought to "break the law", I am doing so every time.

 

[therealUT]

so you favor open elections in every country? If I'm on vacation in Mexico should I be allowed to walk into a polling place and vote?

Negative; I favor the dissolution of birth-right citizenship. I favor earned citizenship that must be maintained by continually and consistently fulfilling duties. Lacking that, I see no reason why one individual who lives in America, works in America, and pays taxes in America cannot vote; while another individual who was born in America, lives in Europe, works in Europe, and does not pay taxes can vote. Yet, this happens all the time in our system.

 

[volmaverick]

One of the oft stated reasons I come across from those who want voter photo ID laws is that a vote cast from an illegal immigrant cancels out a vote from a citizen.

My question is, as an American citizen what minimum "gates" have you passed through that make you feel entitled to vote while barring an illegal immigrant from voting?

Voting IS NOT A RIGHT!!!!

You should show ID!!!

while barring an illegal immigrant from voting? they ARE illegal!!! you answered the question yourself

 

[Weezy]

I actually had one of those moments talking to someone who lives, works, and pays taxes in Germany. Didn't know why they should, or would want to vote in this election.

 

[utvolpj]

Negative; I favor the dissolution of birth-right citizenship. I favor earned citizenship that must be maintained by continually and consistently fulfilling duties. Lacking that, I see no reason why one individual who lives in America, works in America, and pays taxes in America cannot vote; while another individual who was born in America, lives in Europe, works in Europe, and does not pay taxes can vote. Yet, this happens all the time in our system.

then make them prove that they work, make them prove that they pay taxes, make them prove they are who they claim to be.

I think many of our immigration policies are idiotic but right now our voting laws are what they are. You gripe over the inconvenience of some obtaining an ID yet want to completely overhaul the voting process. Which is easier to implement at this point?

I personally don't think that anyone taking in more than they pay in taxes deserves a vote. Hard to vote against your true employer. However I don't see that as enforceable and it would definitely require an ID

 

[therealUT]

I actually had one of those moments talking to someone who lives, works, and pays taxes in Germany. Didn't know why they should, or would want to vote in this election.

:salute:

 

[Lexvol]

Negative; I favor the dissolution of birth-right citizenship. I favor earned citizenship that must be maintained by continually and consistently fulfilling duties. Lacking that, I see no reason why one individual who lives in America, works in America, and pays taxes in America cannot vote; while another individual who was born in America, lives in Europe, works in Europe, and does not pay taxes can vote. Yet, this happens all the time in our system.

So what is on this "duty maintenance" list of yours?

 

[hog88]

Well, if the State does something, must be right and we better abide...

Sorry, I obey statutes out of convenience; nothing more, nothing less. I look to other principles to tell me what I ought to do; if those principles tell me that I ought to "break the law", I am doing so every time.

This should be good, please do tell what are these principles?

 

[Thrasher865]

They could also be serial killers for all we know.

Said the third grader's mom, when asked if her son could eat dinner with the mexican family down the street.

 

[therealUT]

So what is on this "duty maintenance" list of yours?

To obtain: 3 years civil service.

To maintain: Jury duty (at least once a year); taxes; and more.

 

[therealUT]

This should be good, please do tell what are these principles?

Briefly, they would be efficiently categorized as:

Justice; Reason; Societal Good; Individual Good; Conscience/Moral Sense

What is legal, while it would factor in to individual good, one not constitute its own principle (at most, it would account for 1/5 of the decision).

 

[golfballs]

Said the third grader's mom, when asked if her son could eat dinner with the mexican family down the street.

There is precedence.