Quick Thoughts about the game...

#51
#51
OT here but I didn't think it was worth a new thread. For you guys at the game tonight. I thought it looked like a very good turnout attendance wise and even had some energy late in the game. Considering the circumstances it looked a lot better than I was expecting. Was the crowd as good as it looked to me on TV?
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#52
#52
BruinVol said:
OT here but I didn't think it was worth a new thread. For you guys at the game tonight. I thought it looked like a very good turnout attendance wise and even had some energy late in the game. Considering the circumstances it looked a lot better than I was expecting. Was the crowd as good as it looked to me on TV?
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It sounded good on TV.
 
#53
#53
pl3 said:
I disagree. Of course, some kids are born with more instinct, which helps the ball iq, but ball iq can be taught at an early age. Simple things as cutting, boxing, spacing, anticipation can be taught as early as 8 years old with some kids. Usually, coaches sons have higher basketball iq's. That's because they are always being taught.
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And you would be wrong, because that is not what IQ is.

IQ is not something that can be taught you have it or you don't. Period strictly talking definitions here. Examples. Shaq was a massive athletic talent low bball IQ. Larry Bird massive bball IQ low athleticism. Magic Johnson a combination of both.

A body can be changed a brain can't
 
#56
#56
Volhoops said:
It's all on Martin. Don't talk that crap. He is responsible for how his team plays. They are playing exactly how they are taught to play. He must be happy with it because the same guys keep screwing up and keep playing.
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And who would you suggest he play? Tyler Summitt.
 
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#58
Incipient said:
I can't find it on SBR or Covers. I don't know of any other places to get old lines.
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I couldn't find it either. It was on TV which would be very odd for there not to be one but maybe it wasn't lined.
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#59
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pimo1 said:
And you would be wrong, because that is not what IQ is.

IQ is not something that can be taught you have it or you don't. Period strictly talking definitions here. Examples. Shaq was a massive athletic talent low bball IQ. Larry Bird massive bball IQ low athleticism. Magic Johnson a combination of both.

A body can be changed a brain can't
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You are talking about mental aptitude iq. Basketball iq can be and is taught. You aren't born with it, then walk out on the court and make it happen. Problem is, if a player is 20, but hasn't been taught how to play the game, its too late to change habits for most.
I've coached 100's of kids, do 3 camps a year, and been on a travel team staff that sent over 20 kids to D1 schools in a 3 yr span. You stating that a basketball players mind and iq can't be changed is ridiculous. Does every player that ever played for former lipscomb coach Meyer have a great iq and playing the game is natural? Hell no. He's a great teacher of the game. His players iq's on the court wouldn't be the same if they played for john pelfrey.

And by the way, Shaq did and does not have a low ball IQ. I don't know what would make you come to that conclusion. He was one of the best big man passers in the game and you don't understand cutting, angles, position and passing if you have a low ball iq.
 
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pl3 said:
You are talking about mental aptitude iq. Basketball iq can be and is taught. You aren't born with it, then walk out on the court and make it happen. Problem is, if a player is 20, but hasn't been taught how to play the game, its too late to change habits for most.
I've coached 100's of kids, do 3 camps a year, and been on a travel team staff that sent over 20 kids to D1 schools in a 3 yr span. You stating that a basketball players mind and iq can't be changed is ridiculous. Does every player that ever played for former lipscomb coach Meyer have a great iq and playing the game is natural? Hell no. He's a great teacher of the game. His players iq's on the court wouldn't be the same if they played for john pelfrey.

And by the way, Shaq did and does not have a low ball IQ. I don't know what would make you come to that conclusion. He was one of the best big man passers in the game and you don't understand cutting, angles, position and passing if you have a low ball iq.
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If coaches can't teach basketball fundamentals to players, there is a great deal of wasted efforts at all levels of coaching.
 
#61
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pl3 said:
You are talking about mental aptitude iq. Basketball iq can be and is taught. You aren't born with it, then walk out on the court and make it happen. Problem is, if a player is 20, but hasn't been taught how to play the game, its too late to change habits for most.
I've coached 100's of kids, do 3 camps a year, and been on a travel team staff that sent over 20 kids to D1 schools in a 3 yr span. You stating that a basketball players mind and iq can't be changed is ridiculous. Does every player that ever played for former lipscomb coach Meyer have a great iq and playing the game is natural? Hell no. He's a great teacher of the game. His players iq's on the court wouldn't be the same if they played for john pelfrey.

And by the way, Shaq did and does not have a low ball IQ. I don't know what would make you come to that conclusion. He was one of the best big man passers in the game and you don't understand cutting, angles, position and passing if you have a low ball iq.
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Pl3 is correct. IQ that measures aptitude is the equivalent of natural talent in basketball. Both are God-given abilities that cannot be taught. Basketball IQ is not really IQ at all. It is the ability to learn the game and make smart decisions very quickly based on what you have learned and been coached to do in situations.
 
#62
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cncchris33 said:
Pl3 is correct. IQ that measures aptitude is the equivalent of natural talent in basketball. Both are God-given abilities that cannot be taught. Basketball IQ is not really IQ at all. It is the ability to learn the game and make smart decisions very quickly based on what you have learned and been coached to do in situations.
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This is correct. Although, as with everything, some people develop it more easily than others. And it's something that's built over a person's entire life, so I don't want to hear any "why haven't the coaches instilled basketball IQ yet?!?!?!?!"
 
#63
#63
pl3 said:
I disagree. Of course, some kids are born with more instinct, which helps the ball iq, but ball iq can be taught at an early age. Simple things as cutting, boxing, spacing, anticipation can be taught as early as 8 years old with some kids. Usually, coaches sons have higher basketball iq's. That's because they are always being taught.
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I agree. The mind records records everything we do in life and everything we are taught. Its like the brain files away every experience, IQ is the ability to reach in the
file and pull it out without conscious effort.
 
#64
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Incipient said:
This is correct. Although, as with everything, some people develop it more easily than others. And it's something that's built over a person's entire life, so I don't want to hear any "why haven't the coaches instilled basketball IQ yet?!?!?!?!"
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I have 4 dogs. 2 large and two small.
I throw a piece of chicken to the first large dog. He doesn't try to catch it. Hits him in the face every time.
Throw to the second large dog. He misses every time
Throw to first small dog she catches every time.
Second small dog has bad vision because of age. Misses occasionally.
Which dog has the highest IQ?

I think you guys agree, but your terminology is confusing the issue.
 
#65
#65
calban said:
I have 4 dogs. 2 large and two small.
I throw a piece of chicken to the first large dog. He doesn't try to catch it. Hits him in the face every time.
Throw to the second large dog. He misses every time
Throw to first small dog she catches every time.
Second small dog has bad vision because of age. Misses occasionally.
Which dog has the highest IQ?

I think you guys agree, but your terminology is confusing the issue.
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It's easy to confuse the term "basketball IQ" with just "IQ."
 
#66
#66
Incipient said:
This is correct. Although, as with everything, some people develop it more easily than others. And it's something that's built over a person's entire life, so I don't want to hear any "why haven't the coaches instilled basketball IQ yet?!?!?!?!"
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Agree. It starts at a young age. Forming good habits and making good decisions on the court and understanding why they are the right decisions.
 
#67
#67
We'd be in this predicament even if we still had Pearl. Its CCM first year, chill people. We new this would be a down year, after losing two 5* basketball players that were good even to play professionally.
 
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