Quickly On Butch & The Vols 2013 Editiion

#27
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sjt18 said:
I am sure that you are just fine with UT being a competitive "also ran" on a continuing basis while UF, Bama, et al sit at the top. Apparently too many UT fans are. But some of us really aren't. We think UT should be just as ruthless as UF or Bama would be and have been in their search for "the guy".
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i have said over and over again that i really don't care what status tennessee has.

as long as i have been alive, florida's schedule has been difficult. there will be 4 or 5 ranked teams on it and whether tennessee is or isn't one of them doesn't make a difference to me. i have given up on seeing a day when everyone on florida's schedule stinks. tennessee, lsu, georgia, florida state, other teams rotating from the west, etc, etc, etc.....there are going to be potholes on the road to a championship. plus an sec title game, plus a bowl game.

as far as being ruthless, that is true. but, i have not been old enough to see a situation where a florida coach inherited a team with such talent deficits compared to its competition. spurrier in 1990 may be the closest thing. his success was achieved by playing chess while everyone else was playing checkers.

so, i really don't know know how ruthless the florida fan base would be considering the situation that is currently at tennessee.
 
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99gator said:
i have said over and over again that i really don't care what status tennessee has.
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That expresses indifference... which validates my point. You would care if UT actually threatened UF's perch. If they became the perpetual roadblock to UF winning... you'd care. That's EXACTLY where some of us believe UT should go without wavering on that expectation.

as far as being ruthless, that is true. but, i have not been old enough to see a situation where a florida coach inherited a team with such talent deficits compared to its competition. spurrier in 1990 may be the closest thing. his success was achieved by playing chess while everyone else was playing checkers.

so, i really don't know know how ruthless the florida fan base would be considering the situation that is currently at tennessee.
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Zook won more than most UT fans expect Jones to in the first 3 years. Yes he may have had a better starting point though Spurrier's teams seemed to slip a little there at the end. But that still gives a very good indication of how UF fans would react to a coach starting where Jones does then winning six or fewer games in his first two years. I mean Zook tied for the East his second year, had a 23-14 record, and got fired. He was 6-2 in the conference twice when the conference WAS getting better.

All I am asking for is that Jones show he can beat one team... just one... that is supposedly better than his to prove he has the ability to win big at UT.

I know that you have a pretty condescending disposition toward UT generally. So you can't quite understand why we can't just be satisfied with our "lower than you" status... but some of us just aren't.
 
#29
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I think that CBJ while at Cincy only ever lost to 1 team that finished the season with a losing record and that was on the road.........at Neyland. That includes his first year in 2010 when they only won 4 games. I really think he deserves at least some confidence as to his coaching prowess. Maybe I missed something but I didn't find any team that he while at Cincy lost to that had less than an 8-5 record at the end of the year, except for...well....us.

On Defense, our corners are maybe are an issue? Safeties should be fine baring injury. Same with LBs and the DLine. So on defense I expect we will be better than we were with Wilcox because some of these guys were the Wilcox defense - only younger and less developed.

On offense I think Neal and Lane should have a great year. The only thing we need to do right now is to find our passing game. I mean that's what we lost. Last year's defense I'd just forget about that and use the prior year as my baseline. So the key to our season imo is finding our passing game as soon as possible and developing a great deal of confidence in it. Think about it, if we had a passing game right now going into this year that was comparable to last year even with its flaws, we'd all be wearing orange glasses. No?
 
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sjt18 said:
That expresses indifference... which validates my point. You would care if UT actually threatened UF's perch. If they became the perpetual roadblock to UF winning... you'd care. That's EXACTLY where some of us believe UT should go without wavering on that expectation.



Zook won more than most UT fans expect Jones to in the first 3 years. Yes he may have had a better starting point though Spurrier's teams seemed to slip a little there at the end. But that still gives a very good indication of how UF fans would react to a coach starting where Jones does then winning six or fewer games in his first two years. I mean Zook tied for the East his second year, had a 23-14 record, and got fired. He was 6-2 in the conference twice when the conference WAS getting better.

All I am asking for is that Jones show he can beat one team... just one... that is supposedly better than his to prove he has the ability to win big at UT.

I know that you have a pretty condescending disposition toward UT generally. So you can't quite understand why we can't just be satisfied with our "lower than you" status... but some of us just aren't.
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indifference is indifference. i didn't care when tennessee was the team to beat in the 90's. i don't care that tennessee isn't the team to beat now. someone is going to be the team to beat.

zook inherited a much better team than butch jones. and he came into a conference worse than it is right now.
 
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99gator said:
indifference is indifference. i didn't care when tennessee was the team to beat in the 90's. i don't care that tennessee isn't the team to beat now. someone is going to be the team to beat.
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UT wasn't. UF was. You won the East 7 times from 92 to 00 and the SEC 5 times in those nine years.

UT was the best competition you had but losing to someone only 22% of the time hardly makes that the "team to beat".

zook inherited a much better team than butch jones. and he came into a conference worse than it is right now.
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We don't agree on what Jones inherits. I am not claiming he inherits a team that should compete for the East unless he's a wizard of some sort. But he inherits more talent than 6 of his 12 opponents and in the same range as at least two and probably 3 of the other six. I think UF, UGA, and Bama have a clear advantage in pure talent.

We've discussed the particulars before... I'm just not buying that this roster is worse than the one Dooley won 6 games with in '10. The schedule is no worse and maybe a tad lighter. (Jones is very unlikely to face both NC contenders).

So if Dooley who absolutely failed as a coach can get six wins... I do not think 7 is too much to ask for Jones to prove himself.
 
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And again, just being pragmatic, a six win season this year... a 5 win season next year... lands Jones squarely on the hottest seat in CFB in '15.

All the "feel good" being thrown his way here and elsewhere will vanish. He will need to strongly compete for if not win the East with a schedule that includes you and Bama on the road. I am not sure who they rotate to after Auburn. Oklahoma will pay a return visit to Neyland. And UConn will be another BCS school on the schedule.
 
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sjt18 said:
Sorry but 6 wins assumes that he only beats Mizzou, UK, VU, APSU, USA, and WKU. That would be by definition "underwhelming" with a roster that may well but all five starting OL's, 2 or 3 DL's, and at least one LB in the draft next year.

I know there are holes... but that's why we hire coaches.
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depth is my primary reason for 6 wins. We have talent no doubt, just very limited beyond the starters. I pray no one gets hurt on the line, but this is the SEC.
 
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Freak said:
Not sure I agree with all of your points, but I like your fire and it's always good to see you around, Rex. I hope all is well.

:hi:
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Back in Houston my friend and actually pastoring a church in Kemah. I will see you for at least one game this year.
 
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sjt18 said:
1- 7-5 regular season. Six wins vs those expected plus a win over someone currently expected to be a loss
2- Neal will be like Hardesty. Both RB's will be considered "surprises" if healthy.
3- Slot receivers will make lots of catches. Receivers as a group will block better than they have in years
4- Agree on Worley. Peterman considers transferring.
5- DL as a whole will be considered "surprisingly good". Several will play better simply because they aren't carrying the extra weight Dooley/Sunseri asked them to carry to play the 3-4.
6- Randolph, McNeil, and Moore will play well as S. UT will struggle to fill the hole at CB opposite Coleman all year.
7- UT will run over Vandy with possibly their best rushing effort of the year.
8- Probably drop to a lower level bowl than their record indicates. Would not be surprised to see the Music City even with 7 wins.
9-Agreed.... if Manziel makes it that long. The guy is on a path to destruction right now with his ego.
10- Staff will remain intact through the end of '14.
11- No orange pants. Black pants maybe.
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im actually going to disagree with 8. Butch is a tireless promoter. i know nothing about how bowl bids work but a revived fan base that travels and a little swagger may make the Vols an attractive team.
 
#40
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Had me going till the Jacques prediction stopped right there. I can see an undefeated season before he s a force to be reckoned with. He s one more nonproductive season from being a Chris Donald bust
 
#41
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rexvol said:
Back in Houston my friend and actually pastoring a church in Kemah. I will see you for at least one game this year.
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Looking forward to it, Rex. Just let me know when. You'll have to fill me in on the details of how the heck you ended up in Houston.
 
#43
#43
A lot of ifs, ands, maybes in this posts. One thing I keep seeing is how Auburn is a sure win. That attitude scares the bejesus out of me. Auburn may be suffering from the same disease as us, lousy coaching last year. They have talent, after all it is Auburn, and are located in LA (Lower Alabama). Former Auburn coach Pat Dye once say that in recruiting if he had to drive further than a tank full of gas would take him then he had gone too far. So let's don't count our chickens before they hatch. Just saying.
 
#45
#45
sjt18 said:
That expresses indifference... which validates my point. You would care if UT actually threatened UF's perch. If they became the perpetual roadblock to UF winning... you'd care. That's EXACTLY where some of us believe UT should go without wavering on that expectation.



Zook won more than most UT fans expect Jones to in the first 3 years. Yes he may have had a better starting point though Spurrier's teams seemed to slip a little there at the end. But that still gives a very good indication of how UF fans would react to a coach starting where Jones does then winning six or fewer games in his first two years. I mean Zook tied for the East his second year, had a 23-14 record, and got fired. He was 6-2 in the conference twice when the conference WAS getting better.

All I am asking for is that Jones show he can beat one team... just one... that is supposedly better than his to prove he has the ability to win big at UT.

I know that you have a pretty condescending disposition toward UT generally. So you can't quite understand why we can't just be satisfied with our "lower than you" status... but some of us just aren't.
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I guess I really can see where ur coming from. :thumbsup:
 
#46
#46
sjt18 said:
And again, just being pragmatic, a six win season this year... a 5 win season next year... lands Jones squarely on the hottest seat in CFB in '15.

All the "feel good" being thrown his way here and elsewhere will vanish. He will need to strongly compete for if not win the East with a schedule that includes you and Bama on the road. I am not sure who they rotate to after Auburn. Oklahoma will pay a return visit to Neyland. And UConn will be another BCS school on the schedule.
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sjt "gets it"
 
#48
#48
99gator said:
i have said over and over again that i really don't care what status tennessee has.

as long as i have been alive, florida's schedule has been difficult. there will be 4 or 5 ranked teams on it and whether tennessee is or isn't one of them doesn't make a difference to me. i have given up on seeing a day when everyone on florida's schedule stinks. tennessee, lsu, georgia, florida state, other teams rotating from the west, etc, etc, etc.....there are going to be potholes on the road to a championship. plus an sec title game, plus a bowl game.

as far as being ruthless, that is true. but, i have not been old enough to see a situation where a florida coach inherited a team with such talent deficits compared to its competition. spurrier in 1990 may be the closest thing. his success was achieved by playing chess while everyone else was playing checkers.

so, i really don't know know how ruthless the florida fan base would be considering the situation that is currently at tennessee.
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Whut. I don't think yur old enuff. Whut chu say?
 
#49
#49
rexvol said:
I have to say that I am amazed by what has transpired to this point. I was completely underwhelmed by the hire and was convinced that he was a product of Kelly's coattails. I realize that he has yet to coach a game on the Hill, but man, he has pushed all the right buttons so far. I will say that the thing that, perhaps impressed me the most, is how he has embraced his love for my university. He seems completely genuine in his excitement and love for the large orange. My predictions:

1) 7-6 with a bowl win, possibly 8-5 with an upset of SoCarLite

2) Marlin Lane has a better season than Neal.

3) Woody Quinn has 4 Tds and at least 30 receptions

4) Worley will start every game this season will be surprisingly good. I honestly think that the Vol Nation will be shocked at how well he plays. I believe that he the best game manager we have and I believe that is all Butch will ask him to do. I admit that I worry about the ints.

5) Jacques will be a force and end up 2nd team all SEC.

6) Randolph will be 3rd Team all SEC

7) Tiny and James will celebrate 21 point win over vandy by pancaking James Franklin.

8) Vols play Carolina in Memphis and win convincingly for 7th victory

9) Non vol prediction but Bama will destroy Johnny Football this time around

10) We back the Brinks truck up to Thig's house as several schools come calling.

11) All orange unis vs Peay
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Man, I just like the way you think! No truly unrealistic expectations,(I may slightly disagree on a couple of points),and as positive as the red post on a frickin battery!
You sir, seem to "get it"
 
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