Read and React Request for those still Believing Russiagate

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volinbham said:
I'm not not skeptical. I'm also skeptical of how much people have vested in believing the collusion story. I agree that the final proof is in the report being made available.

However, Dems (nationally and here) have invented the story that Barr doesn't plan to release any more. It flies in the face of all evidence to date. In the unlikely event nothing more gets released I'll join the complainers.
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You are missing the point. He knows that he has to release more and he will. There is a two pronged approach to how to go about it though: First, establish a narrative as favorable as possible to Trump for what is contained in the Mueller report. Allow Trump to sell the American people on this narrative with his daily Twitter barrage. Second, in the meantime redact everything under the sun whether classified or not ... anything you can get away with taking out - take that sucker out. Barr is not a non-partisan figure in this. This is not about transparency. His job is to reveal as little as possible and damage control.
 
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zeppelin128 said:
Well like I alluded to in my earlier post, there is a lot of distrust among the Left and others toward the Trump administration and his appointees. Can't really fault people for assuming a cover up is underway with the current Cabinet and President's track record of truthfulness.
Like you said, releasing the report is the only way to marginally put this to bed, aside from the birther types that will never let go.
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Barr's history is clean; he's long time buddies with Mueller.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
You are missing the point. He knows that he has to release more and he will. There is a two pronged approach to how to go about it though: First, establish a narrative as favorable as possible to Trump for what is contained in the Mueller report. Allow Trump to sell the American people on this narrative with his daily Twitter barrage. Second, in the meantime redact everything under the sun whether classified or not ... anything you can get away with taking out - take that sucker out. Barr is not a non-partisan figure in this. This is not about transparency. His job is to reveal as little as possible and damage control.
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I ain't missing anything. Everything you posted is conspiracy theory speculation and you began this from an article that you clearly didn't thoroughly read. IOW - you believed this before article and after and facts are irrelevant.
 
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volinbham said:
you don't have to participate but it appears you are on board.

why work from a position that Barr is a POS partisan that will only protect Trump rather than do his job and hope he proves you wrong by releasing the report?
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Because Trump appointed Barr.
And because of Barr's stated positions prior to being appointed.
 
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zeppelin128 said:
I don't watch Fox News, so I missed that narrative.
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I'll hold my powder on this until the 2 IG reports are complete (FBI and DOJ). There's as many questionable actions from them as from Team Trump. One has a completed investigation (Mueller) the other's are ongoing. It may be that it's a big "no harm, no foul" on behalf of all parties.

Let's see it all.
 
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luthervol said:
Because Trump appointed Barr.
And because of Barr's stated positions prior to being appointed.
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what positions? the same that many legal scholars have stated?

more broadly you are suggesting that one should always begin with a presumption of guilt when it comes to the opposition party.
 
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volinbham said:
I'll hold my powder on this until the 2 IG reports are complete (FBI and DOJ). There's as many questionable actions from them as from Team Trump. One has a completed investigation (Mueller) the other's are ongoing. It may be that it's a big "no harm, no foul" on behalf of all parties.

Let's see it all.
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Who is them?
 
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zeppelin128 said:
Who is them?
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FBI and I presume DNI. We know much about the FBI role. IIRC Horowitz is completing his review of this soon. It was his review of the HC email actions that confirmed the bad behavior of Strock, Paige and it absolutely lambasted Comey supporting every assertion made by RR in his letter recommending firing of Comey. That report was confined to the HC email investigation actions. He has since been doing a similar review of the Trump investigation including the FISA issues of withholding information about who paid for the Steele report. In addition there's another IG (Huber?) that I believe is doing a similar internal investigation of DOJs actions on the Trump investigation both pre and post election.
 
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volinbham said:
FBI and I presume DNI. We know much about the FBI role. IIRC Horowitz is completing his review of this soon. It was his review of the HC email actions that confirmed the bad behavior of Strock, Paige and it absolutely lambasted Comey supporting every assertion made by RR in his letter recommending firing of Comey. That report was confined to the HC email investigation actions. He has since been doing a similar review of the Trump investigation including the FISA issues of withholding information about who paid for the Steele report. In addition there's another IG (Huber?) that I believe is doing a similar internal investigation of DOJs actions on the Trump investigation both pre and post election.
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Well like you said, let's see it all in the report. I'm game.
 
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zeppelin128 said:
Well like you said, let's see it all in the report. I'm game.
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It won't be in the Mueller report. The IG reports are separate - I presume the Horowitz one goes to Wray and the Huber one goes to Barr; maybe they automatically go to Congress as well.
 
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volinbham said:
what positions? the same that many legal scholars have stated?

more broadly you are suggesting that one should always begin with a presumption of guilt when it comes to the opposition party.
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Only if past experience dictates that to be the wisest and most probable presumption.
 
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PointGuard said:
What exactly can Barr be getting out of covering for Trump on what now seems to be his bogus summary
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What is it that you think Barr is looking for? You do realize that Barr has been highly successful his entire life before becoming AG right? He isn't like AOC or Bernie Sanders who needed the government jobs to enrich themselves.
 
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Best part of a fully released report is that the dims will read it, they will still not comprehend it, let their emotions do their thinking and weave even more fantastic flights of fancy and will fester with infantile rage and lunacy up to and through their 2020 election losses. Its going to be a fun ride! Buckle up boneheads because your feelings are about to be hurt..hugely.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
It looks like the Mueller team called Barr out on his rosy summary (call it whatever you want) and Barr's clarification that what he wrote was just a "summary of the principle conclusions" was his way of acknowledging (for their sake) that yes, there is some information contained in the Mueller report which would be damaging to the reputation of Trump and some of his associates (perhaps even family members) if/when revealed. Barr will now try to have that information redacted... and this is where the fight commences.
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Who on the Muells team called him out. 1 name will suffice.
 
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lawgator1 said:
He acted like guilty Trump. I mean, he either is guilty OR he's so obsessed with his own image that he has an unhealthy willingness to appear guilty AF.
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uh yeah. He's a fricking megalomaniac. most of our presidents are, Trump is just the most overt about it.

Trump acts one way about everything. The Trump way.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
You don't mean that Barr painted a rosier picture for Trump in his summary than what was actually in the Mueller report do you?!?!?!? Well, that is absolutely shocking!
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lets say for a normal investigation one needs 7 pieces of evidence (completely arbitrary number) to effectively try someone.

That someone is released with no charges. Everyone thinks they only found a few pieces of evidence, lets say 3.

but in reality the investigators are pissed that it was more like 5.5.

Technically it paints a "worse" picture, but not enough to change anything.
 
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LouderVol said:
lets say for a normal investigation one needs 7 pieces of evidence (completely arbitrary number) to effectively try someone.

That someone is released with no charges. Everyone thinks they only found a few pieces of evidence, lets say 3.

but in reality the investigators are pissed that it was more like 5.5.

Technically it paints a "worse" picture, but not enough to change anything.
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Yay, our President's provable criminality is just below the threshold to put him on trial.
 
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volinbham said:
If you read the article it's second hand. The sources are people in DOJ that say some people on Team Mueller complained that Barr's memo didn't include more.
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If I had a complaint about the content of my work you be sure that I would put my name on the complaint.

Amusing that they are taking a virtuous stand behind the cloak of anonymity. something the original OP speaks to.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Yay, our President's provable criminality is just below the threshold to put him on trial.
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The only crime Trump is guilty of is hurting your feelings. And thank Odin you people dont create all the laws because I am sure in your world you would love for that to be an actual crime.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Yay, our President's provable criminality is just below the threshold to put him on trial.
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or it goes from an absolute of Trumps tweet of complete exoneration, to one could consider some of this shady but no where near a level that could be brought to trial.
 
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