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turambar85

turambar85

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I just joined the board today when I heard of the politics forum. I was excited by the activity, but that dissipated when I saw how trifling and particular all of the threads are.

Where are the more philosophically-minded political threads, such as gay marriage, abortion, affirmative action, etc.? Hell, anything other than Obama swatting a fly, Glen Beck being crazy, or the stock market being up or down!

Liven up! :salute:
 
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maybe post your own non "trifling" thread before you get on your high horse and refer to the current ones as "trifling."
 
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Hah - fine. I was planning on doing so, but figured that promoting the idea in general was a good idea as well, given that it might lead to others doing so too.

Now I will step down off of my high horse, and ask, guided by Obama's same-sex benefits plan, where everybody stands on gay-marriage and why.

My hunch is that this crowd will be overwhelmingly against it, but look forward to the discussion...

And to kick it off - I find not extending marriage rights to be hypocritical, overly-emotional, petty, and un-just.
 
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if you start a thread belittling the current discussion topics it might be a good idea to include a better one in your OP.
 
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turambar85 said:
Hah - fine. I was planning on doing so, but figured that promoting the idea in general was a good idea as well, given that it might lead to others doing so too.

Now I will step down off of my high horse, and ask, guided by Obama's same-sex benefits plan, where everybody stands on gay-marriage and why.

My hunch is that this crowd will be overwhelmingly against it, but look forward to the discussion...

And to kick it off - I find not extending marriage rights to be hypocritical, overly-emotional, petty, and un-just.
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There is a search tool - it is your friend. There are any number of threads on each of the topics you suggested and they include well thought out views from multiple perspectives. Forgive us for not rehashing something we've discussed many times.

That said I would hardly consider using terms such as overly-emotional and petty as the beginnings of "philosophical-minded" dialogue.
 
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turambar85 said:
I just joined the board today when I heard of the politics forum. I was excited by the activity, but that dissipated when I saw how trifling and particular all of the threads are.

Where are the more philosophically-minded political threads, such as gay marriage, abortion, affirmative action, etc.? Hell, anything other than Obama swatting a fly, Glen Beck being crazy, or the stock market being up or down!

Liven up! :salute:
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You will learn........

If you are looking for discussion on the Glass Menagerie accompanied with a bottle of Jergens, this is not the place for you!

:hi:

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volinbham said:
There is a search tool - it is your friend. There are any number of threads on each of the topics you suggested and they include well thought out views from multiple perspectives. Forgive us for not rehashing something we've discussed many times.

That said I would hardly consider using terms such as overly-emotional and petty as the beginnings of "philosophical-minded" dialogue.
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The things I mentioned were just examples. Whether or not those particular examples had been discussed does not change the fact that the current topics range from Obama as messiah to Glen Beck as crazy. I was talking about what is being discussed, not what has been.

As for the overly-emotional and petty claims, I was being extreme to garner some reaction. But, I don't think being philosophically-minded equates to finding every position equally legitimate. Some arguments are bad. Some arguments do stem from emotional involvement. Some beliefs are petty. Whether or not somebody can present un-emotional, non-petty arguments for the view presented remains to be seen. And being philosophically-minded only means that if presented, they will be seen for what they are and considered fairly.
 
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turambar85 said:
Hah - fine. I was planning on doing so, but figured that promoting the idea in general was a good idea as well, given that it might lead to others doing so too.

Now I will step down off of my high horse, and ask, guided by Obama's same-sex benefits plan, where everybody stands on gay-marriage and why.

My hunch is that this crowd will be overwhelmingly against it, but look forward to the discussion...

And to kick it off - I find not extending marriage rights to be hypocritical, overly-emotional, petty, and un-just.
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Who cares about gay marriage!

Why let the government define us!

It is a non issue!
 
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turambar85 said:
The things I mentioned were just examples. Whether or not those particular examples had been discussed does not change the fact that the current topics range from Obama as messiah to Glen Beck as crazy. I was talking about what is being discussed, not what has been.

As for the overly-emotional and petty claims, I was being extreme to garner some reaction. But, I don't think being philosophically-minded equates to finding every position equally legitimate. Some arguments are bad. Some arguments do stem from emotional involvement. Some beliefs are petty. Whether or not somebody can present un-emotional, non-petty arguments for the view presented remains to be seen. And being philosophically-minded only means that if presented, they will be seen for what they are and considered fairly.
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:lolabove:

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If you stick around, you will find that good, deep-rooted discussions grow out of or come up through posts of timely and relevant material. It's entirely possible that a thread linking an article about the shooting of the doctor in Omaha (or was it Wichita?) could lead to a long discussion about the merits of sins of abortion rights.
 
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turambar85 said:
The things I mentioned were just examples. Whether or not those particular examples had been discussed does not change the fact that the current topics range from Obama as messiah to Glen Beck as crazy. I was talking about what is being discussed, not what has been.

There are simple solutions to your issue - some have been suggested. Another is to find another poly forum that better suits your needs.

As for the overly-emotional and petty claims, I was being extreme to garner some reaction. But, I don't think being philosophically-minded equates to finding every position equally legitimate.

No such claim was made.

Some arguments are bad. Some arguments do stem from emotional involvement. Some beliefs are petty. Whether or not somebody can present un-emotional, non-petty arguments for the view presented remains to be seen.

And being philosophically-minded only means that if presented, they will be seen for what they are and considered fairly.
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You decided before hearing any from this forum that these are the types of arguments you will encounter. Prejudging the arguments of others and assuming they are:

1. counter to your own in some particular way
2. do not have merit because they are petty or overly-emotional

is hardly being philosophically-minded.
 
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volinbham said:
You decided before hearing any from this forum that these are the types of arguments you will encounter. Prejudging the arguments of others and assuming they are:

1. counter to your own in some particular way
2. do not have merit because they are petty or overly-emotional

is hardly being philosophically-minded.
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No, I decided that the arguments I would find here would be against gay-marriage. First, because that is the case almost anywhere. Second, because I have found a conservative leaning through skimming through the first page of threads. It was an assumption, but not entirely unfounded. As for the arguments being emotional - that is just through interaction with people who put forth those views. Even very smart people have argued against gay-marriage on emotional, disgust based levels. It has to do with the topic more than the person.

And, again, I was being extreme to get things off the ground. I won't make the same mistake again, as typing doesn't convey very much after all.
 
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turambar85 said:
No, I decided that the arguments I would find here would be against gay-marriage. First, because that is the case almost anywhere. Second, because I have found a conservative leaning through skimming through the first page of threads. It was an assumption, but not entirely unfounded. As for the arguments being emotional - that is just through interaction with people who put forth those views. Even very smart people have argued against gay-marriage on emotional, disgust based levels. It has to do with the topic more than the person.

And, again, I was being extreme to get things off the ground. I won't make the same mistake again, as typing doesn't convey very much after all.
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This is the strangest thing I have ever read in this forum and we have had a lot of fools post.

Gay marriage is a non issue......

:blink:
 
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:blink:
turambar85 said:
No, I decided that the arguments I would find here would be against gay-marriage. First, because that is the case almost anywhere. Second, because I have found a conservative leaning through skimming through the first page of threads. It was an assumption, but not entirely unfounded. As for the arguments being emotional - that is just through interaction with people who put forth those views. Even very smart people have argued against gay-marriage on emotional, disgust based levels. It has to do with the topic more than the person.

And, again, I was being extreme to get things off the ground. I won't make the same mistake again, as typing doesn't convey very much after all.
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OrangeEmpire said:
This is the strangest thing I have ever read in this forum and we have had a lot of fools post.

Gay marriage is a non issue......

:blink:
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For some perhaps, but for others it is a hot button issue. Even my thoughts have changed on the subject over the past couple of years.
 
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KB5252 said:
For some perhaps, but for others it is a hot button issue. Even my thoughts have changed on the subject over the past couple of years.
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You honestly think his thoughts on this being the reason for posting in the politics forum is not the slightest bit strange?
 
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why are you so stuck on gay marriage, quite frankly I believe right now their are more important issues we could discuss.
 
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KB5252 said:
For some perhaps, but for others it is a hot button issue. Even my thoughts have changed on the subject over the past couple of years.
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Right, how is it a non-issue? For every gay American it is a huge issue. For the people in this state who went out to vote against it, it was an issue. If it weren't an issue, it would be legal.
 
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