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#26
#26
OrangeEmpire said:
You honestly think his thoughts on this being the reason for posting in the politics forum is not the slightest bit strange?
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A little, it crossed my mind that this could be a topic that is very important to him, or that he possibly has some personal stake in. None of my business one way or the other.
 
#27
#27
KB5252 said:
A little, it crossed my mind that this could be a topic that is very important to him, or that he possibly has some personal stake in. None of my business one way or the other.
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Have to push hard to get his/her true meaning and he/she did.

:eek:k:
 
#28
#28
turambar85 said:
Right, how is it a non-issue? For every gay American it is a huge issue. For the people in this state who went out to vote against it, it was an issue. If it weren't an issue, it would be legal.
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Why do you want the government to define you?

:dunno:
 
#29
#29
turambar85 said:
Right, how is it a non-issue? For every gay American it is a huge issue. For the people in this state who went out to vote against it, it was an issue. If it weren't an issue, it would be legal.
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I don't recall saying it wasn't an issue.
 
#30
#30
turambar85 said:
Right, how is it a non-issue? For every gay American it is a huge issue. For the people in this state who went out to vote against it, it was an issue. If it weren't an issue, it would be legal.
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You sound a bit emotional about this...:)
 
#32
#32
KB5252 said:
A little, it crossed my mind that this could be a topic that is very important to him, or that he possibly has some personal stake in. None of my business one way or the other.
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I just threw out gay marriage because it is an issue that contains a lot of room for interested discussion. I also threw out abortion and affirmative action. So, I suppose this means I am a pregnant Mexican lesbian???

I do think the issue is important to some degree obviously, or I wouldn't have wasted time typing it out. But, no, I don't have any personal stake. I've been happily married for two years now (anniversary was tuesday).
 
#34
#34
turambar85 said:
Right, how is it a non-issue? For every gay American it is a huge issue. For the people in this state who went out to vote against it, it was an issue. If it weren't an issue, it would be legal.
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actually i have a gay friend who is anti-gay marriage. and i'm not joking.
 
#36
#36
it's a fringe issue that both parties use to appeal to their base. It's ridiculous that it even comes up in a political discussion
 
#38
#38
turambar85 said:
Sorry, I was agreeing with you - directing my question to OE.
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Perhaps he was commenting on your assumption that this forum is dominated by "conservatives" so the majority would be against gay marriage.

I'm quite sure OE could give a rat's behind and that goes for a great many in here who are also considered "conservative".
 
#39
#39
turambar85 said:
I just threw out gay marriage because it is an issue that contains a lot of room for interested discussion. I also threw out abortion and affirmative action. So, I suppose this means I am a pregnant Mexican lesbian???

I do think the issue is important to some degree obviously, or I wouldn't have wasted time typing it out. But, no, I don't have any personal stake. I've been happily married for two years now (anniversary was tuesday).
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Abortion could be seen as an important issue...but when we have skyrocketing debt, two wars, healthcare reform, and an economy in recession...gay marriage and affirmitive action seem like piddle sh*t.

I'm not saying they aren't important, but I would venture to guess the political discussion about the issues that have real national implications interest people around here much more. It does me, anyway.
 
#40
#40
rjd970 said:
Abortion could be seen as an important issue...but when we have skyrocketing debt, two wars, healthcare reform, and an economy in recession...gay marriage and affirmitive action seem like piddle sh*t.

I'm not saying they aren't important, but I would venture to guess the political discussion about the issues that have real national implication interest people around here much more. It does me, anyway.
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+1
 
#41
#41
volinbham said:
Perhaps he was commenting on your assumption that this forum is dominated by "conservatives" so the majority would be against gay marriage.

I'm quite sure OE could give a rat's behind and that goes for a great many in here who are also considered "conservative".
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+1

:hi:

All that matters is freedom!

Hopefully you will learn that one day!

:hi:
 
#42
#42
rjd970 said:
Abortion could be seen as an important issue...but when we have skyrocketing debt, two wars, healthcare reform, and an economy in recession...gay marriage and affirmitive action seem like piddle sh*t.

I'm not saying they aren't important, but I would venture to guess the political discussion about the issues that have real national implications interest people around here much more. It does me, anyway.
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As much as this pains me....

+2

:good!:
 
#43
#43
turambar85 said:
I just threw out gay marriage because it is an issue that contains a lot of room for interested discussion. I also threw out abortion and affirmative action. So, I suppose this means I am a pregnant Mexican lesbian???

I do think the issue is important to some degree obviously, or I wouldn't have wasted time typing it out. But, no, I don't have any personal stake. I've been happily married for two years now (anniversary was tuesday).
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You haven't been arguing those topics with any passion.....so far.

Gay marriage is an issue for the states to decide IMO. if any state wants to allow gay marriage then so be it. All I care about is that there should be protection afforded to any priest, pastor, or religious leader who will not marry them for religious reasons.

I do not think benefits should be allowed anyone who isn't married, no domestic partner or common law situations should receive benefits. JMO.
 
#45
#45
KB5252 said:
You haven't been arguing those topics with any passion.....so far.

Gay marriage is an issue for the states to decide IMO. if any state wants to allow gay marriage then so be it. All I care about is that there should be protection afforded to any priest, pastor, or religious leader who will not marry them for religious reasons.

I do not think benefits should be allowed anyone who isn't married, no domestic partner or common law situations should receive benefits. JMO.
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+1

I can go with this!
 
#46
#46
KB5252 said:
You haven't been arguing those topics with any passion.....so far.

Gay marriage is an issue for the states to decide IMO. if any state wants to allow gay marriage then so be it. All I care about is that there should be protection afforded to any priest, pastor, or religious leader who will not marry them for religious reasons.

I do not think benefits should be allowed anyone who isn't married, no domestic partner or common law situations should receive benefits. JMO.
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Well, I just picked that one at random.

While I am not strongly against gay marriage as a state issue, I do hesitate before allowing choice in matters of justice, at least not unless the states that didn't allow gay marriage acknowledged the marriages that occurred elsewhere.
 
#48
#48
615 Vol said:
I'm against gay marriage and against gays raising kids. :good!:
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The first part I could care less about but the second I drastically changed my mind about a year ago.

My wife and I have two lesbian friends and they adopted two boys who came from a horrible situation where there parents did nothing for them.

The youngest was never held for 6 months and his head was lopsided from laying in his crib.

You can't tell me that going back to the abusive behavior of the parents is better for them than being raised by lesbians.

:shaking2:
 
#49
#49
OrangeEmpire said:

The first part I could care less about but the second I drastically changed my mind about a year ago.

My wife and I have two lesbian friends and they adopted two boys who came from a horrible situation where there parents did nothing for them.

The youngest was never held for 6 months and his head was lopsided from laying in his crib.

You can't tell me that going back to the abusive behavior of the parents is better for them than being raised by lesbians.

:shaking2:
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I appreciate the second view: there are too many people that I know who place politics over the safety and health of children. I still am curious, though, about the first. Why doesn't it matter? If there was a national referendum on gay marriage would you vote? If so, how?
 
#50
#50
turambar85 said:
Well, I just picked that one at random.

While I am not strongly against gay marriage as a state issue, I do hesitate before allowing choice in matters of justice, at least not unless the states that didn't allow gay marriage acknowledged the marriages that occurred elsewhere.
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Why should that matter? Different states have different statutes, the federal government doesn't issue marriage licenses, the state does.
 
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