Realignment?

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Forget the Houston Astros moving to American League: Jim Crane ownership group not interested - 2011-Jun-11 - CultureMap Houston

The Houston Astros will not be moving to American League if the new Jim Crane ownership group has anything to say about it.

"Jim is a businessman first, but he's also a traditionalist in many ways," the ownership group source tells CultureMap. "He's a pitcher (in college) and he loves the National League game. He grew up in St. Louis. This is not something he's looking for. This group certainly didn't buy the team with the intention of it becoming an American League franchise."

Crane's group still needs to be formally approved by MLB — with sources continuing to tell CultureMap that the official nod should come around June 28 — and as Olney pointed out in a tweet, Bud Selig could theoretically make switching leagues a condition of purchase, but that's a highly unlikely scenario, according to CultureMap's source.

"You don't spend $680 million on something and have a third-party come in an dictate new terms after the agreement's been ironed out," the ownership group source says. "Even Major League Baseball. These are extremely complicated deals. A lot of work goes into them. They are not something you can just go in and change in that significant of a manner
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volfanbill said:
it created even leagues so that interleague play didn't have to get involved for every team to be playing. 14 teams in the AL, 16 in the NL. 15 and 15 leaves an odd team out in each league.
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Ah, thanks. Never looked at it from afar, pretty simple concept.
 
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My first question is why would the MLB consider this?

Whats the purpose? Oh and the Stros not being in the NL would suck tremendously. It all seems stupid, but I haven't read up on it. Someone hook me up with some cliff notes.
 
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JTrainDavis said:
Ah, thanks. Never looked at it from afar, pretty simple concept.
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yep. It's the only stumbling block I see in the realignment plan. I don't want interleague play to become so prevalent. Keep it 14 and 16 imo, jmho, iyam.
 
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volfanbill said:
yep. It's the only stumbling block I see in the realignment plan. I don't want interleague play to become so prevalent. Keep it 14 and 16 imo, jmho, iyam.
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I'll admit, I don't know how MLB does their scheduling because they play 162 games and there seems to be a lot of variables in how they schedule series. Wouldn't it be possible for one team from each league getting a 3 day bye and rotating team from team?

Again, I'm not sure if it works but if it does, who cares if it adds another week to baseball. It's already 80 games too long anyways when they only take 4 teams per side. Baseball seriously has one of the worst set ups ever. Longest season but smallest playoff field. What a waste of time for the half of the league that's already been eliminated. Only 60-80 more games to go... "We may be 30-50 but we can do it!"
 
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The_Orange_Pearl said:
I'll admit I don't know how MLB does their scheduling because they play 162 games. There seems to be a lot of variables in how they schedule series. Wouldn't :salute:

Again, I'm not sure if it works but if it does, who cares if it adds another week to baseball. It's already 80 games too long anyways when they only take 4 teams per side. Baseball seriously has one of the worst set ups ever. Longest season but smallest playoff field. What a waste of time for the half of the league that's already been eliminated. Only 60-80 more games to go... "We may be 30-50 but we can do it!"
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The small playoff field is perfect for the long season, as 162 is plenty of time to determine the class of the leagues, even more so assuming divisions are done away with.
 
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JTrainDavis said:
The small playoff field is perfect for the long season, as 162 is plenty of time to determine the class of the leagues, even more so assuming divisions are done away with.
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I agree that the strongest teams end up going over the course of 162 game season, so you don't need a large field to determine who the best is. My point was 1/3 of the league is essentially eliminated 80 games in and 1/2 is eliminated 100 games in(maybe not mathematically but they know it and the fans know it). Aside from playing for a paycheck and paychecks of the future(personal stats), they're just out there doing nothing and playing for nothing for 60-80 games. And usually 1/2 if not 3/4 of the teams in the playoffs have top 10 payrolls. It's just kind of a screwed up system imo. I know I may be alone in that feeling but it's definitely odd.
 
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Looks as if the proposed format will be two 15 team leagues, no divisions, top 3 make the playoffs and the 4/5 teams have a one game playoff to get in.

The more I hear, the less I like it.

Scrap the Florida teams, move Milwaukee to the AL, and let's go 4 divisions of 7 please.
 
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tigervol9802 said:
Looks as if the proposed format will be two 15 team leagues, no divisions, top 3 make the playoffs and the 4/5 teams have a one game playoff to get in.

The more I hear, the less I like it.

Scrap the Florida teams, move Milwaukee to the AL, and let's go 4 divisions of 7 please.
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I can go with this, especially contracting a few. Still not a fan of divisions at all, take the top 2 in the league for an LCS.

But with King Bud somehow thinking people are clamoring for more playoff teams, when just about everything I've seen/heard/read has been against it, it looks like more playoff teams will come from this crock.
 
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JTrainDavis said:
I can go with this, especially contracting a few. Still not a fan of divisions at all, take the top 2 in the league for an LCS.

But with King Bud somehow thinking people are clamoring for more playoff teams, when just about everything I've seen/heard/read has been against it, it looks like more playoff teams will come from this crock.
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Honestly, I want more playoff teams. And don't take this personally, I think you're against it because the Red Sox actually win. Not to mention have one of the highest payrolls in an uncapped league.

What incentive do fans of smaller market teams have of watching baseball in a season where they can go have a winning record but no chance of making the playoffs because the field is so small and they spend less money. Teams like the Yankees and Red Sox are able to spend more and then they have to compete less in the playoffs because it's such a small field. They're essentially rewarded for buying the best players and I'm not a fan of that. Again, nothing personal as I know you're a Red Sox fan. I just think it's a flawed system.
 
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JTrainDavis said:
I can go with this, especially contracting a few. Still not a fan of divisions at all, take the top 2 in the league for an LCS.

But with King Bud somehow thinking people are clamoring for more playoff teams, when just about everything I've seen/heard/read has been against it, it looks like more playoff teams will come from this crock.
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I like it. East and West in each league, winners of each division for the League pennant. If the 2nd place team in the East has a better record than 1st in the West, well too bad, better luck next year. Contraction would be ok, just make it even teams in each league and I say scrap interleague play. It's not a balanced schedule so just do away with it. Do whatever you want with the DH, I still think it's overrated to complain about it.
 
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The_Orange_Pearl said:
Honestly, I want more playoff teams. And don't take this personally, I think you're against it because the Red Sox actually win. Not to mention have one of the highest payrolls in an uncapped league.

What incentive do fans of smaller market teams have of watching baseball in a season where they can go have a winning record but no chance of making the playoffs because the field is so small and they spend less money. Teams like the Yankees and Red Sox are able to spend more and then they have to compete less in the playoffs because it's such a small field. They're essentially rewarded for buying the best players and I'm not a fan of that. Again, nothing personal as I know you're a Red Sox fan. I just think it's a flawed system.
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The vast majority of my life they weren't there. Not one to choose when to like the teams I like.
 
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The_Orange_Pearl said:
Honestly, I want more playoff teams. And don't take this personally, I think you're against it because the Red Sox actually win. Not to mention have one of the highest payrolls in an uncapped league.

What incentive do fans of smaller market teams have of watching baseball in a season where they can go have a winning record but no chance of making the playoffs because the field is so small and they spend less money. Teams like the Yankees and Red Sox are able to spend more and then they have to compete less in the playoffs because it's such a small field. They're essentially rewarded for buying the best players and I'm not a fan of that. Again, nothing personal as I know you're a Red Sox fan. I just think it's a flawed system.
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the NBA and NHL are ruined for me because their playoffs take WAAAY too long. 162 games clearly establish who the best teams are. Setting up teams for a 5 or 7 game series with 8, 12, 16 or whatever teams in it only creates chances something goes wrong and two 4 seeds wind up playing for it all. I like only putting the best out there to win it all. It's one reason I'm one of 3 people in the entire country that likes the BCS setup.
 
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volfanbill said:
the NBA and NHL are ruined for me because their playoffs take WAAAY too long. 162 games clearly establish who the best teams are. Setting up teams for a 5 or 7 game series with 8, 12, 16 or whatever teams in it only creates chances something goes wrong and two 4 seeds wind up playing for it all. I like only putting the best out there to win it all. It's one reason I'm one of 3 people in the entire country that likes the BCS setup.
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I can agree with this, season long mediocrity doesn't deserve a chance to win a championship.
 
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volfanbill said:
the NBA and NHL are ruined for me because their playoffs take WAAAY too long. 162 games clearly establish who the best teams are. Setting up teams for a 5 or 7 game series with 8, 12, 16 or whatever teams in it only creates chances something goes wrong and two 4 seeds wind up playing for it all. I like only putting the best out there to win it all. It's one reason I'm one of 3 people in the entire country that likes the BCS setup.
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I don't mind the BCS because it usually gets it right. Plus, those kids(unpaid) already get beat up a lot throughout the year. They don't need the wear and tear of playing a field of the best teams in the country after an already grueling season. Fwiw, I'm not a fan of paying college kids. I just think their season is long enough that they don't need to be beating each other up against other power houses prior to the championship.

MLB essentially settles the debate of who has the best team based on who spends the most. Then you have teams like the Marlins and Rockies who squeak in as the lone wolfs. I've always thought the season should be shortened and the field should be expanded. Of course the Yankees and Red Sox are going to make the playoffs when their payroll is 200 million and 150 million while the next closest is 100 million. So after they proved they were the best over a 162 game season, now they barely have to play anybody in the playoffs. Let's hope they were the best on a regular basis... they spent the most. Now they have to play two teams to get to the championship. Not a fan of that. Just a personal opinion.
 
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volfanbill said:
I don't like the idea that interleague play will become so prevalent. In the 15 and 15 format, interleague play will always be going on. I'd rather a set up of 4 Divisions (East/West in each league) and play it out from there. No need to move anyone from the NL over.
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You'd need to add or take away two franchises to make this work...

Anyways,

<- fan of two leagues, no divisions, 162 game season and send the best two records to the WS.

And move the A's to Portland. :)
 
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JTrainDavis said:
I can go with this, especially contracting a few. Still not a fan of divisions at all, take the top 2 in the league for an LCS.

But with King Bud somehow thinking people are clamoring for more playoff teams, when just about everything I've seen/heard/read has been against it, it looks like more playoff teams will come from this crock.
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You could contract up to 6 teams and I would be happy.

The only people I have found that like the idea of larger playoffs are

1) Bud (and I assume the owners)
2) the MLBPA

Other than that, everyone hates the idea.
 
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15 and 15, no divisions, cut out interleague, and top 4 of each league are in playoffs.

I'd take this all day. But, it ain't happening.
 
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