Really UF? [discontinues Gator Bait cheer]

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At some point in history, a white man hit a black man with a stick.
Sticks are racist and must be banned.
Anyone using a stick for any purpose is a racist.
 
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Unfortunately, this level of activism is only how deep most people will get involved. I ran the CRA programs for two banks for 12 years, and over that time I went by myself all except once. The number one problem all of the community outreach programs I’ve been involved with have is they can’t get volunteers. Ive asked several people on my social media feeds who continue to post about social injustices if they would like to get more involved, but even now they never seem to have the time. Below is a perfect example, six weeks before everyone started tripping over themselves to show how much they care, as East Nashville was turning volunteers away, the Bordeaux area of Nashville couldn’t get enough volunteers to help clean up after the tornado.

Everybody is outraged, but most will never do anything more than share a link on social media. If you turned off the Like button on Facebook, most would probably never post at all.

In tornado recovery, North Nashville doesn't want to be forgotten
 
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WE can all agree that the Gator Bait chant was annoying! I will need to do some deep dive research into whether "Gator Bait" was what they defined it as being a way for hunters to lure gators with black babies. IF that is true, it is horrific and I say bury that chant where it will never be used again, if it is not true then it is another way for PC culture to infiltrate your life and dictate to you what is correct and what isnt. Being a History major and buff, I had never heard of the "historical" definition of Gator Bait, so therefore I will research the topic on my own from disparate sources.
 
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allvol123 said:
We really need to get rid of any logo or brand that features a person. At some point far enough back in history one group was harmful to another.

See ya Davy!
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We get rid of logo's like bears, birds, fish, humans, hell, let's just get rid.........
 
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peaygolf said:
Didn't the state of Tennessee send "Volunteers: to fight in the "War between the States"

I guess UT will now be changing the Nickname. smh
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Not where the nickname came from.... Are you just looking for a topic to cause trouble or is it you just don't know???
 
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The biggest issue I have with stuff like this is that the context doesn't matter. It would be different, totally different, if this chant drew inspiration from this piece of "folklore" about black babies being used as alligator bait. However, it did not. Lawrence Wright popularized/came up with it in the mid-90s as a figure of speech about defeating their opponents (their opponents were "bait" for the Gators). If the gator bait chant is supposed to be offensive, then isn't the gator chomp, or the gator name itself, offensive? I mean, you can claim that all of it hearkens back to the time when black babies were used as alligator bait...
 
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05_never_again said:
The biggest issue I have with stuff like this is that the context doesn't matter. It would be different, totally different, if this chant drew inspiration from this piece of "folklore" about black babies being used as alligator bait. However, it did not. Lawrence Wright popularized/came up with it in the mid-90s as a figure of speech about defeating their opponents (their opponents were "bait" for the Gators). If the gator bait chant is supposed to be offensive, then isn't the gator chomp, or the gator name itself, offensive? I mean, you can claim that all of it hearkens back to the time when black babies were used as alligator bait...
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Alligators in general. Symbol of Florida’s racist past. And for years they’ve used it. They’re irredeemable and must shut down. Outside of that they will continue to remind us of their hateful legacy. All based on some ridiculous folklore from over 100 years ago
 
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https://247sports.com/college/tennessee/Article/Tennessee-Vols-Football-Tee-Martin-expands-on-Tennessees-idea-to-auction-black-jerseys-148336056/

“We’re going to find an organization within our community to support. We never talked about donating to that particular organization, nor will we do that. We’ve looked at giving back to the community in Knoxville, and we haven’t found that organization yet. That’s as far as that has gone so far.”
 
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USF grad in TN said:
https://247sports.com/college/tennessee/Article/Tennessee-Vols-Football-Tee-Martin-expands-on-Tennessees-idea-to-auction-black-jerseys-148336056/

“We’re going to find an organization within our community to support. We never talked about donating to that particular organization, nor will we do that. We’ve looked at giving back to the community in Knoxville, and we haven’t found that organization yet. That’s as far as that has gone so far.”
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Thank you! The two goofballs on the sports animal this morning were attempting to defend why we should be OK giving to the national BLM organization despite many of the local chapters promoting anti semitic positions.
I knew we have men of integrity behind this, I'll start saving my money to bid.
 
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Wireless1 said:
Thank you! The two goofballs on the sports animal this morning were attempting to defend why we should be OK giving to the national BLM organization despite many of the local chapters promoting anti semitic positions.
I knew we have men of integrity behind this, I'll start saving my money to bid.
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Local sports talk, at least in Knoxville, is occupied by some of the biggest dimwits around.

Probably true in most areas.
 
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peaygolf said:
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Truth will set you free
 
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Alligators are sexists, racists, homophobes, sageists, ...............on and on. Florida needs to drop the gator and adopt butterflies and bluebird or something similar. They could lead the way in stopping all forms of bad behavior, reduce starvation, eliminate homelessness, heal the sick, raise the dead, raise social awareness, reverse global warming or cooling or whatever the latest leftist myth could be. Just change the name. Don't like gators anyway. :mad:
 
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Vol8188 said:
The first article you quoted (Snopes) doesn’t seem to believe it happened. Idk if you read through it or not, but they seem very skeptical.
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There’s no shortage of images and “folklore” about the alleged practice of using black babies to lure and trap alligators, and as another poster stated, slaves were allowed and encouraged to breed freely...sometimes the slave master participated too. So sacrificing a couple babies for a couple skinned alligators was worth the investment.

Based on the amount of images and information, I tend to believe it actually happened. You’re free to disagree with that.

What all this has to do with UF’s gator bait chant is another issue completely. Anyone suggesting our chant is directly connected to the alleged practice of feeding babies to alligators needs their heads examined.
 
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Lawrence Wright said:
There’s no shortage of images and “folklore” about the alleged practice of using black babies to lure and trap alligators, and as another poster stated, slaves were allowed and encouraged to breed freely...sometimes the slave master participated too. So sacrificing a couple babies for a couple skinned alligators was worth the investment.

Based on the amount of images and information, I tend to believe it actually happened. You’re free to disagree with that.

What all this has to do with UF’s gator bait chant is another issue completely. Anyone suggesting our chant is directly connected to the alleged practice of feeding babies to alligators needs their heads examined.
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That is the salient point here. There's no context applied to any of this.

Like someone else said in this thread, I bet tracking dogs like Smokey were used to hunt down fugitive slaves. Does Smokey need to go? It's basically the exact same thing as what Florida just did. Do the New England Patriots need to go? After all, what they ultimately were fighting for was the establishment of a country, part of which allowed for slavery. You can do this kind of thing all day to the point where virtually any team name, even something innocuous like "Tigers" could be seen as offensive.

Many disagree, but I think context matters here. If "gator bait" was adopted as a chant precisely because of the folklore around it, then by all means get rid of it. But that isn't what occurred.
 
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05_never_again said:
That is the salient point here. There's no context applied to any of this.

Like someone else said in this thread, I bet tracking dogs like Smokey were used to hunt down fugitive slaves. Does Smokey need to go? It's basically the exact same thing as what Florida just did. Do the New England Patriots need to go? After all, what they ultimately were fighting for was the establishment of a country, part of which allowed for slavery. You can do this kind of thing all day to the point where virtually any team name, even something innocuous like "Tigers" could be seen as offensive.
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The slippery slope is now turning into a cliff
 
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savannahfan said:
Not where the nickname came from.... Are you just looking for a topic to cause trouble or is it you just don't know???
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I know where it came from.....The War of 1812. I know my history. Not wanting to cause trouble, It was sarcastic........:rolleyes:
 
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05_never_again said:
That is the salient point here. There's no context applied to any of this.

Like someone else said in this thread, I bet tracking dogs like Smokey were used to hunt down fugitive slaves. Does Smokey need to go? It's basically the exact same thing as what Florida just did. Do the New England Patriots need to go? After all, what they ultimately were fighting for was the establishment of a country, part of which allowed for slavery. You can do this kind of thing all day to the point where virtually any team name, even something innocuous like "Tigers" could be seen as offensive.

Many disagree, but I think context matters here. If "gator bait" was adopted as a chant precisely because of the folklore around it, then by all means get rid of it. But that isn't what occurred.
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All this is telling me is the country needs to hurry up and get back to work because we clearly have way too much time on our hands these days.
 
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Brave Volunteer said:
All this is telling me is the country needs to hurry up and get back to work because we clearly have way too much time on our hands these days.
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I'd like to agree with you, but it's been heading this way for a long time. You start off with the more obvious ones, the low hanging fruit if you will, and when you get some victories you keep going and going.
 
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I predict Ole Miss 'Rebels' name will be next to go, and probably should. I actually thought they had banned that name a few yrs ago but apparently not. Always considered sports to be the least racist activity we have but apparently in today's climate everything is fair game. Hope the Smokey name and having a dog as a mascot is not somehow considered to be racist but we are in a crazy time.
 
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