Really UF? [discontinues Gator Bait cheer]

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peaygolf said:
Yea.....I know the history.......
I’m pretty sure that every Confederate State sent “Volunteers” to fight in the War Between the States. Geez.
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Tennessee and the other 12 states seceded from the Union, formed the CSA and fielded its own army. Not quite the same.
 
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ksgovols said:
Illegal use of the blue font. Penalty is responding to the same post 15 times. Repeat first down.
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some were firing off without reading all of the posts, some just assume stupidity....and I proved it by constantly responding. That is "my bad":confused: All good.
 
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Lawrence Wright said:
Were Black Children Used as Alligator Bait in the American South?

The gut-wrenching history of black babies and alligators
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The Snopes article you linked concludes it didn't happen:

"They’re just tales.

We are unable to prove the negative, of course. We cannot demonstrate that no infant anywhere, irrespective of color or creed, was ever used as reptile bait. But neither has anyone proved to date that infants were, in fact, used in such a manner.

We checked this conclusion with folkorist and African American studies professor Patricia Turner, who has probably done more research on the “alligator bait” motif than anyone else in the world, and asked her if she had ever come across information suggesting that the phenomenon might be real. “I have not seen any evidence to suggest that it was true,” she said, adding that it would have been all the more unlikely during the era of slavery, when a black child would have been a much more valuable commodity than an alligator."
 
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unfrozencvmanvol said:
The Snopes article you linked concludes it didn't happen:

"They’re just tales.

We are unable to prove the negative, of course. We cannot demonstrate that no infant anywhere, irrespective of color or creed, was ever used as reptile bait. But neither has anyone proved to date that infants were, in fact, used in such a manner.

We checked this conclusion with folkorist and African American studies professor Patricia Turner, who has probably done more research on the “alligator bait” motif than anyone else in the world, and asked her if she had ever come across information suggesting that the phenomenon might be real. “I have not seen any evidence to suggest that it was true,” she said, adding that it would have been all the more unlikely during the era of slavery, when a black child would have been a much more valuable commodity than an alligator."
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And for the third time, I’m of the opinion it did happen. But your opinion of the Snopes article is noted, and your input is appreciated.
 
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Lawrence Wright said:
And for the third time, I’m of the opinion it did happen. But your opinion of the Snopes article is noted, and your input is appreciated.
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There were a lot of people who were of the opinion that Jews poisoned people's drinking wells in the middle ages, and had a secret plot to control the world also. It's best not to base those type of allegations on conjecture though.
 
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UTwick said:
You are correct that those 2 states did not secede, but were accepted by the confederacy.
Carry on.
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Maryland, Delaware and West Virginia were also border states. There were 15 slave states and 19 free states during the Civil War. Border states being slave states that did not declare secession or join the Confederacy. Kentucky, Missouri and Virginia (until WV were allowed to break off) had both a USA and CSA government in place.
 
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norrislakevol said:
Very true. The last thing one would think a slave owner would want to do is lose future slaves. That would make zero sense. Slaves were expensive, which is why so few people could actually afford them.

On a side note, did you know that some wealthy black people owned slaves in this country? Google it. And no.....I am in no way, shape or form defending slavery back then, or the slavery that exists now in the world. It's terrible.
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Yes. The first person to become a slave for life in America was owned by a black Angolan named Anthony Johnson. He had gained his own freedom after serving as an indentured servant then managed to get a 250 acre land grant in Maryland where he established a tobacco farm. His claim was justified by his ownership of 5 indentured servants... 4 were white. I am not sure of all the particulars but the British court ruled in 1654 that he had permanent title to the black slave.

Early "slavery" was much different from what most imagine. It evolved over time. I believe the institution of white indentured servitude ended around the time of US independence.

I believe there were well over 1000 black slave holders at the time the Civil War began. There were 170 black slave owners in SC alone. William Ellison owned 63 slaves which according to the value provided earlier would have been worth over $2.5 million.

Roughly 10% of blacks in 1860 were already free. There were more free American black people in 1860 than there were total blacks in 1800.

It is easier to paint with a broad brush but the history of slavery is complex and diverse.
 
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ksgovols said:
Maryland, Delaware and West Virginia were also border states. There were 15 slave states and 19 free states during the Civil War. Border states being slave states that did not declare secession or join the Confederacy. Kentucky, Missouri and Virginia (until WV were allowed to break off) had both a USA and CSA government in place.
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West Virginia withdrew from VA over slavery iirc and abolished it.

Delaware and Maryland were slave states that did not leave the Union I believe. Kentucky and Missouri were divided. Missouri had pretty vicious guerrilla operations by both sides. None of the battles were large but neither side spared civilian "sympathizers" with the other side. The Jesse James gang used confederate sympathies and claims that they were continuing the war to get help from neighbors.
 
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give_him 6 said:
My gosh, is anything safe? What’s next for the Gators? Jorts?

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I'll tell ya what's next.......mullets and Free Bird!!!
 
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Lawrence Wright said:
So that media you believe. 😂

Do some research past the Snopes article. There’s no shortage of information on the topic. Black babies were used to lure alligators during slave times.

Does it rise to level of getting rid of a chant at our football games that’s less than 20 years old? Probably not.

Is this UF alum losing a wink of sleep over it? Nope.
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Maybe that did happen , but that's like abolishing car commercials because some hick ran down a black man in an automobile. Alligators would probably eat an elephant if they caught one napping.
 
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Associating the phrase "gator bait" to one specific point in history out of all the other references used throughout history just to label it as a racist term is the equivalent of saying Cracker Barrel is a racist name because "cracker" is used as a racist term. Will we rename cotton that white, fluffy stuff that grows in a field? Oops, I guess it will just be that fluffy stuff that grows in a field.
 
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sjt18 said:
West Virginia withdrew from VA over slavery iirc and abolished it.

Delaware and Maryland were slave states that did not leave the Union I believe. Kentucky and Missouri were divided. Missouri had pretty vicious guerrilla operations by both sides. None of the battles were large but neither side spared civilian "sympathizers" with the other side. The Jesse James gang used confederate sympathies and claims that they were continuing the war to get help from neighbors.
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While I did not major in history or claim to be an expert, I do find it odd that the Emancipation Proclamation is always cited as this great document to proclaim the end of slavery when it did not apply to freeing of slaves in states that didn't secede.
 
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Lawrence Wright said:
So that media you believe. 😂

Do some research past the Snopes article. There’s no shortage of information on the topic. Black babies were used to lure alligators during slave times.

Does it rise to level of getting rid of a chant at our football games that’s less than 20 years old? Probably not.

Is this UF alum losing a wink of sleep over it? Nope.
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Wow! So you don't mind other people telling you what you can or cannot say? Would you mind if other people told you what you can wear or not wear (OAN t-shirt)?
 
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peerless98 said:
While I did not major in history or claim to be an expert, I do find it odd that the Emancipation Proclamation is always cited as this great document to proclaim the end of slavery when it did not apply to freeing of slaves in states that didn't secede.
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Supposedly up until about that time Lincoln would have accepted a continuance of slavery if the south would rejoin the Union. His allowance of the continuance of slavery in loyal states may have been an effort to get some of the southern states to quit.

The south attempted a strategy called "King Cotton" to get the British to supply warships to protect southern merchant ships. The Emancipation may have been timed to stoke British sentiments against helping the south.
 
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sjt18 said:
Yes. The first person to become a slave for life in America was owned by a black Angolan named Anthony Johnson. He had gained his own freedom after serving as an indentured servant then managed to get a 250 acre land grant in Maryland where he established a tobacco farm. His claim was justified by his ownership of 5 indentured servants... 4 were white. I am not sure of all the particulars but the British court ruled in 1654 that he had permanent title to the black slave.

Early "slavery" was much different from what most imagine. It evolved over time. I believe the institution of white indentured servitude ended around the time of US independence.

I believe there were well over 1000 black slave holders at the time the Civil War began. There were 170 black slave owners in SC alone. William Ellison owned 63 slaves which according to the value provided earlier would have been worth over $2.5 million.

Roughly 10% of blacks in 1860 were already free. There were more free American black people in 1860 than there were total blacks in 1800.

It is easier to paint with a broad brush but the history of slavery is complex and diverse.
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Ellison was the main guy I was thinking of in South Carolina.
 
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