Reasons for QB and WR problems?

[Oskie Volum]

Same people saying 6 wins is OK this year will have their pitchforks out in '15... most here will of course change their screen names as many have done before to escape embarrassing proclamations.

Exactly. CBJ took over something that if he "gets it" should not have an issue with having a solid season. Needs it cause if he doesn't '14 and '15 will not be pretty that's for sure.

 

[Smokefatty]

Same people saying 6 wins is OK this year will have their pitchforks out in '15... most here will of course change their screen names as many have done before to escape embarrassing proclamations.

On the other hand, the people saying we should win 8 or 9 games will have their pitchforks out before the end of September.

 

[Catbone]

On the other hand, the people saying we should win 8 or 9 games will have their pitchforks out before the end of September.

Exactly. Bowl game or bust IMO.

 

[golf437]

On the other hand, the people saying we should win 8 or 9 games will have their pitchforks out before the end of September.

You are right. They will rant and rave but a lot of them are trolls. Ignore them.

 

[darkgable]

I agree ..this is what we kept hearing about 3-4 defense last year in preseason and it was a disaster . If its too hard then kids arent in college for ever to learn it ..they leave in 2-3-4 years ...it should be a simple system that you can come it play and impact immediately...
I am optimistic but I hope they don't repeat the sunseri stuff from last year or the 'clawfence' from fulmer's last year ...both cases **** was too complicated

Go sit in the corner. Only a dunce would try to compare this offense with last years defense. The absurdity of your thought process leads me to believe marijuana is your drug of choice. Put this cone shaped hat on your head. Now put your thumb in your mouth. Good boy.

 

[HuntlandVolinColo]

It's like the Rubik's cube. It is complicated but once you figure it out, you can consistantly repeat the process over and over again.

 

[Oskie Volum]

On the other hand, the people saying we should win 8 or 9 games will have their pitchforks out before the end of September.

I'd rather have them wanting success than the ones who are wanting to see The Vols lose so the coach will be gone. Then we wouldn't have to sit here reading about how it takes time when u go through coaches every few yrs. As if it that's not known already.

I'm on record of saying we need a 7-8 win season. 6 would be ok as long as the bowl loss isn't a beat down or to a lower tier team. 9 would be my ideal max and I tread lightly there. I say that cause I don't think this fanbase could handle less than 5 and at the same time more than 9. If we win to many and be this yrs Aggies there will be to much pressure on '14, and CBJ doesn't need that pressure after losing all the players he will be losing. The aggies fans could have set themselves up for a huge let down this year. If manziel misses games Sumlin is finally going to have to prove his own abilities which he hasn't up to this pt. We need to succeed slowly and not all at once imho.
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[WiseOlVol]

We play Austin Peay and WKU before the season starts. They have time.

And we have the best pass-blocking OLine in FBS to buy time for the QB, not to mention an edge running the ball.

 

[Chilmonty]

We play Austin Peay and WKU before the season starts. They have time.

Excellent point Hayezb! We still have 2 weeks of practice and 2 weeks of hard "scrimmages" to get better! :rock:

 

[sjt18]

On the other hand, the people saying we should win 8 or 9 games will have their pitchforks out before the end of September.

I am not sure I have seen anyone say he "should" win 8 or 9. I think 7-9 are legitimate but really all I have said he "should" do is win the 6 games where he has better talent plus one game against someone with like talent or somewhat more talent... I am basically saying he should not be outcoached when he has the advantage and should outcoach at least one guy when he doesn't.

If he is going to win championships at UT... I don't see that being too much to ask. If mediocrity into perpetuity is OK for you... then six wins is fine.

FWIW, I won't constantly run the guy down even if he fails to win 7. It was stupid and harmful to the program/recruiting when others did it to Dooley... and I won't do it. I will hope against all likelihood that he somehow gets it done. I simply think a six win season with this roster will be a very strong indication he's not "the guy".

 

[photovol]

The reason the Vols May have trouble with the QB and WR play this season is quite simple, expierience and time playing together. The top SEC teams this year will have years of expierience and playing time. Georgia, Alabama, Florida, South Carolina and LSU all have at least 1 year and a few have 3 years of QB expierience. While Butch Jones may or may not have inherited a better situation than Dooley or Kiffin regarding talent, he is definately behind the 8 ball with expierience at QB and WR positions. I know many Vol fans have high expectations for the new coaching staff to turn things around, but perhaps we should pause for a moment and think of the teams we will face with little or no expierence at the skill positions. Time waits for no one, so we'll take our lumps and loses and learn from them. Hopefully, in 3-4 years, the Vols will be able to live up to our fans high expectations.

 

[sjt18]

The reason the Vols May have trouble with the QB and WR play this season is quite simple, expierience and time playing together. The top SEC teams this year will have years of expierience and playing time. Georgia, Alabama, Florida, South Carolina and LSU all have at least 1 year and a few have 3 years of QB expierience. While Butch Jones may or may not have inherited a better situation than Dooley or Kiffin regarding talent, he is definately behind the 8 ball with expierience at QB and WR positions. I know many Vol fans have high expectations for the new coaching staff to turn things around, but perhaps we should pause for a moment and think of the teams we will face with little or no expierence at the skill positions. Time waits for no one, so we'll take our lumps and loses and learn from them. Hopefully, in 3-4 years, the Vols will be able to live up to our fans high expectations.

I am not trying to antagonize you but weren't you pretty "anti" Dooley even before his collapse last fall?

If I am reading your comment correctly, you are suggesting it is OK for Jones to inherit a better situation than Dooley then proceed to take longer to turn things around than Dooley was employed, right?

It is not true btw that Jones inherits "no experience" at the skill positions and QB nor does he inherit much less than Dooley did (if any). Poole had no experience at RB coming into '10 (171 yds in 2 yrs). DD had Stocker, Jones, and Moore but no one after that with experience... and theirs wasn't great experience either. He had NO QB's who had even taken a practice snap at UT when he arrived.

By contrast, Jones inherits two RB's that combined for over 1300 yds rushing and almost 500 yds receiving last year. He inherits Peterman with two years now in the program and Worley who has SEC starts. He does not have much experience at WR at all. But he does have talent there.

QB and RB experience favor Jones. WR and TE experienced Dooley. At worst, a wash... then you get to the OL.... which is by no stretch close to a wash.

 

[photovol]

I am not trying to antagonize you but weren't you pretty "anti" Dooley even before his collapse last fall?

If I am reading your comment correctly, you are suggesting it is OK for Jones to inherit a better situation than Dooley then proceed to take longer to turn things around than Dooley was employed, right?

It is not true btw that Jones inherits "no experience" at the skill positions and QB nor does he inherit much less than Dooley did (if any). Poole had no experience at RB coming into '10 (171 yds in 2 yrs). DD had Stocker, Jones, and Moore but no one after that with experience... and theirs wasn't great experience either. He had NO QB's who had even taken a practice snap at UT when he arrived.

By contrast, Jones inherits two RB's that combined for over 1300 yds rushing and almost 500 yds receiving last year. He inherits Peterman with two years now in the program and Worley who has SEC starts. He does not have much experience at WR at all. But he does have talent there.

QB and RB experience favor Jones. WR and TE experienced Dooley. At worst, a wash... then you get to the OL.... which is by no stretch close to a wash.

If you read correctly you'll notice I said may or may not have inherited a better situation than Dooley. Are you suggesting Butch must have a better season than Dooley's 1st season, this year? I think overall we may have a better team this year, but may end up with the same record as the last 2 years @ 5-7. We'll certainally know very soon if a Jones coached team can indeed overacheive and compete in the SEC.
Oh, and yes I've been anti-Dooley even prior to our loosing at Kentucky with the receiver playing QB running the same play almost the entire game

 

[sjt18]

If you read correctly you'll notice I said may or may not have inherited a better situation than Dooley.

Unless you are exclusively talking about the WR's then there is no "may or may not" about it. As much talent as Bray had... I take the Jr with talent every time. Peterman has more experience in CFB than Bray had at the start of '10.

I always respected Poole but there is little question in my mind that Neal and Lane both have better raw talent and they bring better stats into this season than he did into '10.

Are you suggesting Butch must have a better season than Dooley's 1st season, this year?

"Must"? No. He will not be fired nor will I call for it if he does not. However it for anyone looking at it objectively it has to raise some questions. If you inherit a better situation following a guy who very convincingly proved he could not coach football... he could recruit decent and administer a program but could not coach... then why did you not do better?

There is also the pragmatic angle. Regardless of the warm and fuzzy feelings right now (many which parallel the good will Dooley enjoyed 3 years ago)... Jones will be in serious trouble if he hits 2015 without having finished with better than six regular season wins. It will be make or break. The currently subdued fanbase looking for anything he does to give them hope will turn on him like a rabid dog. We have seen this at the end of Fulmer's time and with Dooley.

And I will ask you a straight question that no one who thinks like you has been willing to answer thus far: If this roster is only a six win roster then what is "reasonable" for '14? Four? Five? Gone will be one RB, likely the whole OL, possibly the whole D front 7, the guy who appears to be winning all of the kicking jobs... replaced by? New signees and underclassmen primarily.

I think overall we may have a better team this year, but may end up with the same record as the last 2 years @ 5-7. We'll certainally know very soon if a Jones coached team can indeed overacheive and compete in the SEC.

5-7? So you believe that it would be OK for Jones to lose to all of the teams that have a similar or better roster PLUS a team that has less talent than he has? But you wanted to run Dooley out of town? Dooley probably would have given you that or better.

Oh, and yes I've been anti-Dooley even prior to our loosing at Kentucky with the receiver playing QB running the same play almost the entire game

But you are willing to accept worse results with a better roster from Jones? I would like to understand that.

 

[sjt18]

FTR, a 5-7 finish would prove just the opposite of UT being a better team than the last two years.

 

[LWSVOL]

I know you are right about the effects of all the coaching changes, and it's a very good point to make. We all need to keep reminding ourselves of this.

However, I do want to add an extra comment to one thing you said.

Coaches get 15 days in the spring and then August practice. not enough time for them to get everything perfected.

This may not be a great analogy, but I'm going to use it anyway. A person gets a new job in Peru. He gets six months to learn Spanish before he has to move to Lima. Now, obviously, the learning is going to continue after he moves, and it will even accelerate, but he is not going to be able to do his job well early on. He's going to make mistakes.

If (and notice the "if") the passing game doesn't meet fans' expectations in the first few games, fans will come on here complaining about the ineptitude of the quarterbacks or the receivers or both. There won't be much tolerance among fans for the learning process taking longer.

My point in the original post is that players should not shoulder all the blame. Some of the blame, sure. It's not their fault that there is not more time to get everything perfected. It's not the coaches fault that there's not more time to get everything perfected. But it is the coaches' responsibility to put the players in the best position to succeed. And, using the analogy again, if you see the new employee is not grasping the finer nuances of Spanish, do you keep trying to get him to see them, or do you concentrate on getting him to speak the most basic phrases well?

you would be amazed at how many times coaches push players to get lined up correctly on the practice field and then beating it into their heads in the film room showing them they are lining up wrong time after time..

and then, they get in games and still do it blowing up a well called play. repetition is required on practice field and NOTHING replaces repetition over and over in games at game speed. Experience is the best teacher with young players. They all get there sooner or later except those that give up or get tossed out. but it takes time..

 

[Reivax26]

After they get the first 2 wins under their belt, the Offense will gain more confidence for the Oregon game. I am hoping we are competitive in that game. By no means do I think we will win it. One of those hope for the best but prepare for the worst situations. Florida is a similar situation but that game is actually winable. Downside is its in the Swamp. Florida's Offense against a much improved Vols D is not a good thing for them but can our Offense move the ball against them?

Oregon is going to try to get in a shootout with us, which is why I don't have a tremendous amount of faith in that game as far as how it will represent our Offense. Oregon is notorious for going all out Offense and basically outscoring everyone they play. There were times watching Oregon play over the last few years when I wondered if they even tried to play Defense at all.

Florida is the exact opposite. Their entire gameplan is to run the ball down your throat and play hard nose Defense. That's why the Florida game is going to be the first real test of this Offense. How well will it fair against a SEC caliber Defense?

That is the burning question for me for this season.

 

[governmentmule]

Several of the players have expounded on this and it seems like the difference is in the small things that are part of the technique. So it sounds like there working alot on the technique ie. stance, how to properly come out of your stance, shifting weight, chopping their feet, bursting out of breaks.

Ultimately getting the fundamentals down now will only help these receivers individually and as a unit.

I agree with a lot of has been said and the only thing I'm going off of is some practice videos,but if the ball is close, hitting them in the hands and numbers,they should be catching them and yes,I'm ready for the season to begin,so i can stop obsessing on all the practices

 

[Oskie Volum]

FTR, a 5-7 finish would prove just the opposite of UT being a better team than the last two years.

Yeah I wouldn't bother with him. Imo when someone uses the WR as QB argument it shows pure ignorance. Anyone that watched that game knows that that wasn't the reason we lost. Our O has more to blame for that loss. Which is funny that now it's no big deal if the O has issues in CBJs 1st year. The D held them to 10. The refs horrible fumble call on the sideline of their td drive was a bigger factor than the WR turned QB. Also, to be honest, KYs punter had one heck of a game as well. Which imo played a bigger role in that loss than the WR turned QB too. Our better said the HS QB turned WR turned QB.

As u know we pretty much agree on a lot. So I liked ur breakdown above. Obviously, our major difference is that u, and most believe, Dooley can't coach. Though most believe I have a man crush on the guy I just don't think the guy truly had the opportunity to be a HC. So I hold my judgment to that. The hot mess he walked into is one that most couldn't have handled, and many shied away from. Time was key.

I agree with ur pt where if he were still around he most likely would have progressed, and given us a better season than what people are "ok" with this season. Players on O that left may have stayed, and have a D that had more experience. CBJ NEEDs to take this team and move it forward not backwards. He has no time for that, like it or not, it's the case for sure. CBJ walked into a way better situation, and I wish people would understand that that just doesn't mean in the locker room. The program and AD all around. And let's not talk about how he is getting paid to win now not take his time to rebuild.
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[sjt18]

Florida is a similar situation but that game is actually winable. .

IMHO, Oregon is more winnable than UF. I wish it weren't but I think the matchups are more favorable along the line of scrimmage.

 

[Catbone]

If we win FL or Oregon I will literally post a picture of me getting a power T tattoo.

 

[sjt18]

As u know we pretty much agree on a lot. So I liked ur breakdown above. Obviously, our major difference is that u, and most believe, Dooley can't coach. Though most believe I have a man crush on the guy I just don't think the guy truly had the opportunity to be a HC. So I hold my judgment to that. The hot mess he walked into is one that most couldn't have handled, and many shied away from. Time was key.


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The whole thing with Dooley crystalized for me with one comment late in the season... somewhere along the 8th or 9th game he said something about beginning to spend more time in the defense room. I mean the move to the 3-4 and Sunseri was a big enough blunder in itself but to only get around to getting involved that late? Too much. I believe he gave up some time in the first half of last season.

 

[MZTERRY]

Those that buy in to Azzanni's system & don't rely on their on instincts will be the ones in the field. Just embrace change as Croom did moving to the A position.

I wish y'all could hear what I know.. lol

Always expect the unexpected...... i'm trusting Azzanni and you should too..

" I know what I'm doin'.... I gotta lot of rings to prove it"
Coach Azzanni Mic'd Up

lol

 

[rocktopper16]

I wish y'all could hear what I know.. lol

Always expect the unexpected...... i'm trusting Azzanni and you should too..

" I know what I'm doin'.... I gotta lot of rings to prove it"
Coach Azzanni Mic'd Up

lol

Your son is about to have a BIG season in this offense.

 

[TnScooby]

I wish y'all could hear what I know.. lol

Always expect the unexpected...... i'm trusting Azzanni and you should too..

" I know what I'm doin'.... I gotta lot of rings to prove it"
Coach Azzanni Mic'd Up

lol

Amen..Good to see ya' again MzT..Looking forward to a big year from Jason...