Recruiting diminishing returns under Heupel's system?

[VFL-82-JP]

I think the main criticism of Heupel's offense for WRs is that the route tree is very short, and doesn't prepare WRs for the NFL. Jalen Hyatt is a round 1 talent who went in 3rd or 4th round.

"...the route tree is very short, and doesn't prepare WRs for the NFL...."

You seem to be saying a receiver has to be able to memorize a thick book of plays, scores of different routes, in college, if he's ever going to be a capable pro.

That makes no sense, prima facie.

Remember memorizing your multiplication tables as a kid? And then having to memorize a passage from Hamlet or the Canterbury Tales in high school?

Well, did you become an idiot in middle school, in between those two events? Did not having to memorize anything voluminous for a few years make you an idiot when it came time to memorize the Shakespeare lines?

Of course not. If you're intelligent enough to commit large amounts of material to memory, you're intelligent enough. It's a non-perishable ability. And that's as true of players memorizing a playbook as it is of you learning math and english.

So a kid goes from high school, where he's learning dozens of plays, to the Volunteers where he only has to memorize maybe eight to ten pass plays that involve him actively running a route, and then on to a pro team where he's learning a thick playbook again. Where did the lobotomy happen?

Or did you think the kid at Colorado State who gets picked up by the Steelers, he was learning the SAME playbook for both those teams? Of course not. Not only will the plays all be new, but even the terminology will probably be very different. Each pro team has their own language, built off the system designed by the coaching staff.

See what I'm saying? This argument simply doesn't make much sense.

Go Vols!

 

[VolInNW]

Stop using the same inane response every time somebody mentions UGA. It’s weird.

Our O-line was pretty good all year long, but Jalen Carter returned for that game and caused problems for us up front. I hated it, but he’s just good.

This article is just typical preseason clickbait. Its premise is laughable.

Well, then stop being so predictable. If uga is mentioned, especially in a negative light, there is a small but vocal group of otherwise Vol fans on this board who typically rush in to praise uga, and usually take a swipe at the Vols. I don't understand it.

But, you be you, and if nothing else we agree that the article is laughable.

 

[GAVol]

Well, then stop being so predictable. If uga is mentioned, especially in a negative light, there is a small but vocal group of otherwise Vol fans on this board who typically rush in to praise uga, and usually take a swipe at the Vols. I don't understand it.

But, you be you, and if nothing else we agree that the article is laughable.

Come on mannnnn. I didn't like watching it anymore than you did. It's a tribute to our o-line that the only time I can remember them getting beaten was against the national champs. I think it blew everybody's mind how well we handled Pitt and Clemson up front.

 

[aRmo]

"...the route tree is very short, and doesn't prepare WRs for the NFL...."

You seem to be saying a receiver has to be able to memorize a thick book of plays, scores of different routes, in college, if he's ever going to be a capable pro.

That makes no sense, prima facie.

Remember memorizing your multiplication tables as a kid? And then having to memorize a passage from Hamlet or the Canterbury Tales in high school?

Well, did you become an idiot in middle school, in between those two events? Did not having to memorize anything voluminous for a few years make you an idiot when it came time to memorize the Shakespeare lines?

Of course not. If you're intelligent enough to commit large amounts of material to memory, you're intelligent enough. It's a non-perishable ability. And that's as true of players memorizing a playbook as it is of you learning math and english.

So a kid goes from high school, where he's learning dozens of plays, to the Volunteers where he only has to memorize maybe eight to ten pass plays that involve him actively running a route, and then on to a pro team where he's learning a thick playbook again. Where did the lobotomy happen?

Or did you think the kid at Colorado State who gets picked up by the Steelers, he was learning the SAME playbook for both those teams? Of course not. Not only will the plays all be new, but even the terminology will probably be very different. Each pro team has their own language, built off the system designed by the coaching staff.

See what I'm saying? This argument simply doesn't make much sense.

Go Vols!

The whole "Prepare for the NFL" is exaggerated. No college school fully prepares you for the NFL. The main thing they "Prepare" is your mentality and work ethic which should be hand in hand. Once these rookies get to their teams its an absolute wakeup call. A whole new playbook to learn, and lingo to memorize. As far as "This offense doesnt run NFL routes" I have watched all the games from last year multiple times this off season. I have seen a full route tree from them based off different situations.

 

[BigOrange15]

That is some extraordinarily tortured logic lol. How to does recruiting better talent lessen any advantage whatsoever? If anything, it actually increases it because you can cause more severe mismatches with your talent level. What an absurd opinion lmao.

 

[901 Orange]

The whole "Prepare for the NFL" is exaggerated. No college school fully prepares you for the NFL. The main thing they "Prepare" is your mentality and work ethic which should be hand in hand. Once these rookies get to their teams its an absolute wakeup call. A whole new playbook to learn, and lingo to memorize. As far as "This offense doesnt run NFL routes" I have watched all the games from last year multiple times this off season. I have seen a full route tree from them based off different situations.

Yeah I don't get that statement either. WTF does "NFL routes" even mean?? A 9 route is still a 9 route on every level, so is the 7 route, the Post, Slant, Curl etc. The route doesn't change in the NFL the timing/distance of the routes change in the NFL and that's something ALL WR's have to adjust to. So it really doesn't matter what school u come from. The Physically gifted WR's and the Track Stars, rarely come in the league as route technicians. Just like the guys who make it that aren't as physically gifted or fast usually are route technicians.

 

[JoeMiltonsAgent]

Better offensive line play will actually allow the system to diversify and get better in the run game.

These guys are UGA idiots so it's too much nuance for them however.

 

[ZippyMorocco]

"...the route tree is very short, and doesn't prepare WRs for the NFL...."

You seem to be saying a receiver has to be able to memorize a thick book of plays, scores of different routes, in college, if he's ever going to be a capable pro.

That makes no sense, prima facie.

Remember memorizing your multiplication tables as a kid? And then having to memorize a passage from Hamlet or the Canterbury Tales in high school?

Well, did you become an idiot in middle school, in between those two events? Did not having to memorize anything voluminous for a few years make you an idiot when it came time to memorize the Shakespeare lines?

Of course not. If you're intelligent enough to commit large amounts of material to memory, you're intelligent enough. It's a non-perishable ability. And that's as true of players memorizing a playbook as it is of you learning math and english.

So a kid goes from high school, where he's learning dozens of plays, to the Volunteers where he only has to memorize maybe eight to ten pass plays that involve him actively running a route, and then on to a pro team where he's learning a thick playbook again. Where did the lobotomy happen?

Or did you think the kid at Colorado State who gets picked up by the Steelers, he was learning the SAME playbook for both those teams? Of course not. Not only will the plays all be new, but even the terminology will probably be very different. Each pro team has their own language, built off the system designed by the coaching staff.

See what I'm saying? This argument simply doesn't make much sense.

Go Vols!

I didn't say that was my opinion. I'm not qualified as I was a OG. What I said was, that was a criticism of Heupel's offense regarding WRs

 

[vegasvolfan]

But the evidence still doesn't support his statement. That's one game. Pitt, Fla, LSU, Bama, KY, & Clemson had good DLines and they all got destroyed. Then you add to the fact that we had an Elite OT come to UT and actually got better in this system. Before CJH and company got here I'm not sure Wright was on path to be a top 10 pick.

People never really mention we put up 182 yards of rushing against Bama that game.