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MarcoVol said:
Chiefs seemed to have figured it out
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They did figure it out on defense but they sacrificed the offense a little bit to be fair though. KC was about middle of the league in scoring and total offense. Still have Kelce, but he hasn’t been up to his standard. Rice has been pretty good. RB is pretty decent. That’s about it though. OL was a problem, mainly the tackles. I think they lose in Buffalo next week.

Still don’t think the Eagles issues were cap related and Jalen’s huge contract though.
 
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Nash_Vol97 said:
They did figure it out on defense but they sacrificed the offense a little bit to be fair though. KC was about middle of the league in scoring and total offense. Still have Kelce, but he hasn’t been up to his standard. Rice has been pretty good. RB is pretty decent. That’s about it though. OL was a problem, mainly the tackles. I think they lose in Buffalo next week.

Still don’t think the Eagles issues were cap related and Jalen’s huge contract though.
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Losing both DC and OC from previous year and not making the rite hires to replace them was the problem ...
 
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jave36 said:
Hard to afford a good defense when they pay hurts all that money.
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Didn’t they have almost the same defensive players, bar a couple differences, that was top 5 defense last year? Think they had an injury at LB but got Shaq Leonard to replace him. Pretty sure they had some DB injuries, which was why they went and go Byard I believe. But Bradberry, Slay, and Blankenship still played a lot like last year. I don’t think talent or depth was as much of their issue as it was coaching. They lost their DC, lost Fangio who was helping the DC as an analyst, and replaced them both with a well respected but inexperienced young DC.
 
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Nash_Vol97 said:
They did figure it out on defense but they sacrificed the offense a little bit to be fair though. KC was about middle of the league in scoring and total offense. Still have Kelce, but he hasn’t been up to his standard. Rice has been pretty good. RB is pretty decent. That’s about it though. OL was a problem, mainly the tackles. I think they lose in Buffalo next week.

Still don’t think the Eagles issues were cap related and Jalen’s huge contract though.
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Yea, not cap related this year for the Eagles. They lost their DC from last year, had some injuries, and their secondary isn’t very good. My guess is they will have some decisions to make with salaries.
 
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VolGee4 said:
Yea, not cap related this year for the Eagles. They lost their DC from last year, had some injuries, and their secondary isn’t very good. My guess is they will have some decisions to make with salaries.
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Jason Kelce retired after the game, he will be missed on their Offensive line going forward..
 
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jave36 said:
They did. I don't know why you blue font. He wasn't lucky, he was a proven winner that the conference hitched their wagon to, and it paid off for them.

You're implying with your statement Saban gave them no choice but to help him cheat. Are you saying Saban blackmailed them? That he kidnapped their children and coerced them into helping him cheat? What realistic option is there other than they hopped in his pocket by choice?

And police in almost every college town will back off a football player if the head coach makes a call. Knoxville PD is the exception there.

This is a classic case of hating the player instead of the game. I agree tons of cheating happened for Saban over the years, but your ire is misplaced.
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Eh. You just bought into "the Saban is a model for managers in business" propaganda, and don't want to admit that he bought his first class at Bama in broad daylight and the NCAA deliberately turned a blind eye. "Julio Jones is going to have to take a pay cut to go to the NFL" was a national punchline. He kept buying classes with impunity and that remains forever the necessary precondition of everything he cheated his way to.

What Saban said about Jimbo was 100% projection and 100% true of Saban. TAMU let all of college football down by not responding publicly with a catalog of allegations concerning Saban's rule breaking, including paying players at Bama his entire tenure there and the rigged officiating. But TAMU backed down. Birmingham didn't cite Saban for his violation, either. They let it go, forcing TAMU to respond then "warned both teams."

And look at the obvious way we were targeted for crooked officiating from our second game on -- for the entire regular season. Can you even imagine how demoralizing that kind of corruption was for our players. They knew what was happening. Maybe it was "bad luck" or something they just had to "man up" and ignore for a little while, but it became so completely clear and obvious they couldn't not know what was being done to them.

Your alternating ideas that Saban was just "smart" (because he had boosters handle all the cheating) or "lucky" (that everyone cheated for him behind his back) is naive imo. NCAA rules state every such action by boosters is an infraction. Moreover one that is by rule charged to the university for enforcement purposes. Moreover, by rule, in the category of "lack of institutional control."

As far as Birmingham goes, it depends on what lurks behind the phrase "hitched their star to." It sounds like a polite way to say cheated and manipulated for.

As far as corruption in Alabama, the recent case where the popo and the DA literally acted as defense attorneys for the Bama basketball player who was a manifest accessory to murder was so extreme and obvious that I don't see how anyone could excuse it. People citing the popo statement that "they didn't have anyway to charge him" was American politics level heinous. They said he never touched the gun because he passed it in a hat.

Saban couldn't win in the NFL when other teams could also pay players and now he has run away when NIL has allowed his college rivals to join him in paying -- even though he still has the unearned and illicit advantage of having bought all the most NFL-likely players he paid at Bama, and using that as a recruiting advantage forever after. His new role at Bama will be to have bags thrown behind his back in Washington and elsewhere and to propagandize on TV to naive fans of other teams to support and applaud reinstituting Bama's cheating-with-impunity edge as best he can.

Would you be surprised if the UT coed was intimidated into silence when she was assaulted after the '22 game and that Saban made excuses for?

Above all, I don't see how you slough off the crooked officiating that affects us. That perplexes me. It was an organized hit. It cheated us, harmed our players and set our recruiting back. And it played a decisive role in Saban being corruptly advanced to the playoffs.

I'm just glad the other (lesser) cheater beat Saban. And like Saban, he is walking out as a hero and without consequences for himself. The '22 playoff was corrupted by Michigan too. That was and still remains the fact too big for the media to document, which would not be difficult to do.

I suspect you'll never stop defending Saban. But I'll never not object to Saban's stolen valor and fraud status.
 
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Nash_Vol97 said:
Didn’t they have almost the same defensive players, bar a couple differences, that was top 5 defense last year? Think they had an injury at LB but got Shaq Leonard to replace him. Pretty sure they had some DB injuries, which was why they went and go Byard I believe. But Bradberry, Slay, and Blankenship still played a lot like last year. I don’t think talent or depth was as much of their issue as it was coaching. They lost their DC, lost Fangio who was helping the DC as an analyst, and replaced them both with a well respected but inexperienced young DC.
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TJ Edwards ended up being missed more than they anticipated.
 
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VolGee4 said:
Yea, not cap related this year for the Eagles. They lost their DC from last year, had some injuries, and their secondary isn’t very good. My guess is they will have some decisions to make with salaries.
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Looking at Spotrac, it looks like they aren’t in dire straights for cap space next year. No idea beyond that, but they should have about $28M in cap space next year as things stand right now. Hurts extension does start next year but it’s only a $13M cap hit since $24M was a signing bonus. Not sure who is a pending FA and who they need to extend, so we don’t know exactly where that cap is realistically sitting to be fair though.
 
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Appears the Surratt to LIV smoke is very real. Can’t blame the kid for cashing in on a big fee to join when it appears the PGA tour and LIV are heading for a merger. Not to mention, he can cash $120k minimum per event.
 
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butchna said:
TJ Edwards ended up being missed more than they anticipated.
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The LB that was supposed to be his replacement from the draft, Dean from UGA, got hurt and didn’t play much too. Then Leonard was supposed to come in and help and apparently sucked because he couldn’t get ahead of the other guys. So they had a couple injuries but I still think that coaching change on defense was more impactful. If Fangio stayed there and took over as full time DC, I bet the Eagles not only dont fall apart to end the year, but also are still in the playoffs today. Possibly wouldn’t have even played this weekend.
 
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Weezer said:
Yeah, I cancelled my appointment. Was supposed to go to Lebanon this morning for a CT scan to see if the blood thinner they put me on had dissolved a clot near my liver. Made it to the interstate, but even the interstate was a mess, so I turned around and came home. Told them I'd have to reschedule when the weather was better.
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We're all hoping you get a great result when you do get the scan, Weez.
 
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Weezer said:
Yeah, I cancelled my appointment. Was supposed to go to Lebanon this morning for a CT scan to see if the blood thinner they put me on had dissolved a clot near my liver. Made it to the interstate, but even the interstate was a mess, so I turned around and came home. Told them I'd have to reschedule when the weather was better.
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Lebanon isnt that far of a walk. . . when I was a kid we would. . .
 
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