Recruiting Football Talk VII

[MoCo_Vol]

Todd Golden should have just said, "Except for points scored."

 

[VOLociraptorr]

Standard? Back? Kentucky?

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They do have a standard...losing to tennessee

Maybe he means getting blown out more often?

 

[Orange_Crush]

Lol. So that's completely wrong. But I do think it highlights why the NCAA is screwed. Everyone has already accepted that NIL is a vehicle for pay to play. Everyone but the NCAA.

He is wrong in that NIL != salary. But you're wrong as well, from a rights perspective, in considering that NIL is merely considered to be salary.

It's not. From a strictly "rights" perspective, the student athletes have a right to profit off of their NIL, and to be able to negotiate that in a free market--free from collusion to prevent that right to negotiation.

And like it or not different markets will offer different valuations. As previously mentioned, Knoxville will be able to offer better NIL projections that Statesboro, GA. The SEC will probably be able to offer better exposure than, say, the Bumfuzzle Gulf Coast Conference.

The NCAA's problem is that they have a long history of colluding to prevent profit in the name of promoting a competitive equality--i.e. no school or region having a better inducement to talent.

NIL wrecks that, because (a) salary aside, the SCOTUS is eyeing anti-trust vs the athlete's RIGHT to NIL profits, and (b) each market within the NCAA will offer more/less exposure.

the NCAA is screwed. Period.

 

[Buddy’s Bandit]

I am still waiting on Sankey and SEC to chime in……

 

[Kurtastrophe]

This is why it baffles me to see buffoons like Uncle Lou and other rival fan bases want to see us fail. Do they not realize that TN is fighting for ALL NIL and student athletes??? If any of those idiot rival fans has functioning brain cells, they would be behind us 100%.

You expect a lot from social media mouthbreathers.

 

[Jimmy Football]

@Tennessee Golfer

Dang bud............you good!

How can you not love golf?

 

[DD4ME]

Rofl

 

[peaygolf]

How can you not love golf?

Exactly..........It's a microcosm of life.

 

[DD4ME]

 

[peaygolf]

How can you not love golf?

Not a LIV "guy," but this is pretty cool.........

 

[DD4ME]

In case you are filled up on NIL chat.

 

[Checker_the_Shire]

I am still waiting on Sankey and SEC to chime in……

They won’t chime in until they have a good pulse on the outcome. Sankey is a businessman and won’t throw any weight around until he knows what’s in it for him.

 

[GoodTimeVol]

The debate is nuanced, but the primary issue is enforcement is arbitrary and political. Tennessee and it's collectives were running harder than most groups. Even pushing into spaces others never thought of or might have thought off limits. In the absence of hard rules though, selectively picking on some teams over practices many are using is pure crap. That selective enforcement has always been my beef.

When none of the kids were supposed to get money and entire teams were driving chargers

Selective enforcement is ridiculous I agree but to me making rules that violate antitrust laws in which the ncaa has already lost out on in court and labeling a private business as a “booster” also doesn’t seem like it will fly in court but im no law professor.

I could care less when they made the rule. That to me is a non-issue its just the rule is a clear violation of antitrust laws and we already know the ncaa has no antitrust provision like the NFL,MLB, and NBA etc do.

 

[Jimmy Football]

Not a LIV "guy," but this is pretty cool.........

I’d much rather watch that than their terrible tournament coverage.

 

[peaygolf]

I’d much rather watch that than their terrible tournament coverage.

Having players/caddy mic'd up............Watch and listen? That would be really cool.

 

[volbeast33]

 

[jave36]

Too much stock in contract verbiage in a court of law? That's the primary. And I'd love to hear the type of evidence that may be available to prove the negative per Spyre upholding a contract they signed. Maybe the NCAA can produce emails of Spyre communicating to CJH that they wouldn't pay if he didn't come?

I'm not sure we'd see such quick and strong responses from UT and Spyre if that were the case.

And the court of NCAA? OK. Maybe I'm wrong. But seeing the Chancellor's response, and considering that the state AG is dragging the NCAA back to court on federal anti-trust suit, I give less and less turds about the "court" of the NCAA, and more and more about the ACTUAL courts. (Where contract verbiage carries weight and the NCAA has outside oversight that prevents them from dropping hammers on suspicions that they can't prove. ... Or even dropping hammers on subjects they have no business making rules about, for that matter.)

The NCAA is a capricious, outdated paper tiger that is about to be put out of our misery.

I'll wring my hands about them when given a reason to. Your perspective may vary.

This isn't an actual courts issue. Tennessee politicians are grandstanding, it would be very difficult to get a court of law actually involved here when UT has voluntarily joined a private group and agreed to abide by its rules. A court would say "you're welcome to leave that group if you don't like their rules, it's just an academic country club."

And contracts that say "this is the reason we're doing this" are often disregarded. Do you really think any judge or jury would believe that Spyre would have given Nico 8 mil if he'd gone to Bama? That's the crux of your argument, that Spyre wanted Nico even if he went to Bama.

 

[LA Vol]

I am still waiting on Sankey and SEC to chime in……

Better get more popcorn. Just because the guy is looped in behind the curtain doesn't mean he's going to step out in front of it. He's a political animal. He speaks when it serves his best interests. He's quick to publicly censor something he doesn't like-- and UT has been on the receiving end of that numerous times. Silence is the opposite with him.

 

[Orange.]

I believe we should know one way or the other by February 6th, right? That’s the date for the TRO in the lawsuit. Unless that’s for something else and doesn’t block the NCAA from being able to do make him ineligible. I’m not a lawyer but I thought the TRO requested was kind of an all encompassing “you can’t enforce **** in our state right now when it comes to NIL” type TRO

We filed a motion (request) that the court (1) grant injunctions and (2) do so by Feb. 6. The court has to rule on it. It is not required to comply with either request. Let's hope it does.

 

[Ten_Titans]

He is wrong in that NIL != salary. But you're wrong as well, from a rights perspective, in considering that NIL is merely considered to be salary.

It's not. From a strictly "rights" perspective, the student athletes have a right to profit off of their NIL, and to be able to negotiate that in a free market--free from collusion to prevent that right to negotiation.

And like it or not different markets will offer different valuations. As previously mentioned, Knoxville will be able to offer better NIL projections that Statesboro, GA. The SEC will probably be able to offer better exposure than, say, the Bumfuzzle Gulf Coast Conference.

The NCAA's problem is that they have a long history of colluding to prevent profit in the name of promoting a competitive equality--i.e. no school or region having a better inducement to talent.

NIL wrecks that, because (a) salary aside, the SCOTUS is eyeing anti-trust vs the athlete's RIGHT to NIL profits, and (b) each market within the NCAA will offer more/less exposure.

the NCAA is screwed. Period.

I think that is very elegant. Very close to what UT will say in court. And what the court will most likely side with.

I also think it's 90% BS, frankly. Players have the right to pursue interests related to their NIL, and that is obviously not what NIL means to anyone in this space. Outside of maybe Peyton Manning, there has never been a player donning a Tennessee uniform that has had a multimillion dollar evaluation associated with their name, image, and likeness.

We are all friends here. The NCAA isn't going to read this. Everyone here does understand this is all BS, right? Like we do all understand that Nico signing with Spyre and Nico signing with UT weren't actually independent events, right?

Hey, maybe I'm wrong. Maybe all those people posting unpaid advertising in this forum for the Volunteer Club are just super passionate about UT players getting some money. And they have zero expectations that will impact recruiting .

I think we can all be serious here. 10-15% of the money going through Spyre or NIL more generally is because someone wants to put a player on a sign at their car dealership. Or whatever. The rest is for buying players.

 

[GoodTimeVol]

This isn't an actual courts issue. Tennessee politicians are grandstanding, it would be very difficult to get a court of law actually involved here when UT has voluntarily joined a private group and agreed to abide by its rules. A court would say "you're welcome to leave that group if you don't like their rules, it's just an academic country club."

And contracts that say "this is the reason we're doing this" are often disregarded. Do you really think any judge or jury would believe that Spyre would have given Nico 8 mil if he'd gone to Bama? That's the crux of your argument, that Spyre wanted Nico even if he went to Bama.

A private business under contract with a private citizen with state and federal laws on their side…you think that is hard to argue in a court? Lol gtfo assumptions that he wouldn’t get a contract if he signed with Bama don’t fly in court also you would need proof to back up that claim…

 

[rjd970]

This is why it baffles me to see buffoons like Uncle Lou and other rival fan bases want to see us fail. Do they not realize that TN is fighting for ALL NIL and student athletes??? If any of those idiot rival fans has functioning brain cells, they would be behind us 100%.

I think the Bama's and UGAs of the world don't really care about NIL, if they had their way, it would go away completely so they could continue underground operations instead of having a threat to talent hoarding through above ground means. I think the fans know this too...they are hoping and praying something sticks here. I think Nico's decision to go with UT was a signal they won't get who they want every time now.

 

[MarcoVol]

Dude wants out of Lex so bad

 

[mr.checkerboards]

 

[Orange_Crush]

I believe we should know one way or the other by February 6th, right? That’s the date for the TRO in the lawsuit. Unless that’s for something else and doesn’t block the NCAA from being able to do make him ineligible. I’m not a lawyer but I thought the TRO requested was kind of an all encompassing “you can’t enforce **** in our state right now when it comes to NIL” type TRO

Boom...