Recruiting Football Talk VII

[volsfan_17]

Okay, so some of our lawyer members please weigh in.

I know that this recent filing has captured our attention this week (rightfully so), and we are all mostly aware of the outcome of the Alston case in regards to SCOTUS' take on NCAA antitrust.

However, I'm curious as to the other lawsuits going on against the NCAA currently in regards to clarification of athletes as employees.

NCPA v NCAA
Johnson v NCAA
Carter v NCAA

How do these intertwine, if at all?

@hotcypress
@LA Vol

 

[MoCo_Vol]

NCAA will eventually fold... NBA sets the age for draft eligibility (not the NCAA), MLB drafts HS talent all the time and runs them through the farm system.

The NFL is the highest grossing entertainment product around, if the NCAA becomes an obstacle to their farm system for talent they'll get removed. NCAA isn't even the only option in college as is.


There's also already about 2 dozen other semi-pro/professional indoor and outdoor organizations that exist playing American Football. Schools have and will always have the power...I don't want to see multiple college leagues based on conferences, but it wouldn't surprise me at all if it happens.

 

[Aesius]

Will never understand the NFL's obsession with giving failed head coaches multiple chances.

 

[utkevdawg1]

Bring your bulk hand sanitizer Donde, you are about to get sooooo many handshakes.

 

[GoodTimeVol]

This isn't an actual courts issue. Tennessee politicians are grandstanding, it would be very difficult to get a court of law actually involved here when UT has voluntarily joined a private group and agreed to abide by its rules. A court would say "you're welcome to leave that group if you don't like their rules, it's just an academic country club."

And contracts that say "this is the reason we're doing this" are often disregarded. Do you really think any judge or jury would believe that Spyre would have given Nico 8 mil if he'd gone to Bama? That's the crux of your argument, that Spyre wanted Nico even if he went to Bama.

You do understand the NCAA has no antitrust provisions right? Everything about your post is simply wrong and I’m not sure how your brain got to this point I can only assume you have no idea what antitrust means or what the lawsuit is about…but I guess continue thinking the ncaa has been doing great in court when it comes to NIL

 

[vol9799]

After reading thoughts on the LS.

I'm starting to think through what ifs. What if there is no NCAA?

Who will take the mantle of rules enforcement? There HAS to be some sort of agreed upon oversight.

SEC cant even agree on a scheduling format.

Before this lawsuit guess i'd always hated the NCAA. But was ambivalent to the possibly of dissolution.

What next? Should Washington step in with legislation governing enforcement? Seems like most logical step.

Should the States, er the conferences attempt to Unionize, er galvanize behind one Supreme Leader, er Emporer, er Commissioner?

There is too much money at stake. Athletes livlihood are at stake. Universities bottom lines. And then the folks who make a living working and supporting these Universities.

NCAA should look in the mirror as ask the pertinent questions, such as 'is what i'm doing best for this sport?'

'Is it more about us, or, student athlete?'

'Are Tennessee's transgressions truly that abhorrent, or, are we really just wanting to save face?'

'Should we just admit we're wrong?'

The outcome of this lawsuit, and the glacial impact it has dredging CFB along with it will have a detrimental effect. No way we go back to any shred of normalcy.

It is my sincere hope that someone with some sort of ability to make change will smack NCAA on the nose with newspaper and say 'no'. 'Bad boy.' And that they will make necessary changes. Unfortunately, being honest I dont think their collective egos will allow that.

TN will have to leave the NCAA.

I don't expect the next iteration of college athletics to be a one-size fits all with a single governing body. I expect it to be divided probably into three groups with the conference affiliations and amount of $ in play being the criteria for which group goes where. I think there's a lot of merit to some of Chip Kelly's ideas on the subject and we may see some of those incorporated as this develops. But the Big10 and SEC will control how the highest division is formed and structured. Hence Sankey's tacit support. He's fixing to be co-commissioner of something bigger than the NFL. Lucky little weasel!

 

[MoCo_Vol]

Will never understand the NFL's obsession with giving failed head coaches multiple chances.

Failing is in the eye of the beholder a bit... He's a career 500 coach sure, but with GMs controlling most of the personnel it seems often they are tied together. For example both Quinn and his GM were fired in Atlanta on the same day.

 

[peaygolf]

So..............NCAA is disbanded and gone....

Who do you want running the show?
Honest/Serious answers.......

 

[knoxvol52]

So..............NCAA is disbanded and gone....

Who do you want running the show?
Honest/Serious answers.......

Would have to be an individual who has no ties to any team of either conference..

Preferably a complete total unknown.

 

[peaygolf]

Will never understand the NFL's obsession with giving failed head coaches multiple chances.

Owners are scared to try new things.............

I'm glad the Titans are at least willing to go out-on-the-limb.

 

[TN-POSSUM]

So..............NCAA is disbanded and gone....

Who do you want running the show?
Honest/Serious answers.......

Donde Plowman and/or Danny White

 

[peaygolf]

I am still waiting on Sankey and SEC to chime in……

Waiting to pick a side..............

 

[VolGee4]

Lol

Calipari has done that for years. I mentioned this in the basketball forum recently.

I heard stories when he was at Memphis, that he would spout off stats and details. Reporters finally would actually do the research and realize that he was just blowing smoke and not telling the truth. He is a manipulator.

 

[Aesius]

Calipari has done that for years. I mentioned this in the basketball forum recently.

I heard stories when he was at Memphis, that he would spout off stats and details. Reporters finally would actually do the research and realize that he was just blowing smoke and not telling the truth. He is a manipulator.

Are you telling me a guy who looks and acts like a total greaseball IS a total greaseball?

 

[volbeast33]

 

[ConwayFitty]

live view

 

[Jimmy Football]

So..............NCAA is disbanded and gone....

Who do you want running the show?
Honest/Serious answers.......

Realistically, big college sports are going professional. I couldn’t be honest and state otherwise.

That being the case, I think a “College Athletics League” with a commissioner is the only way forward. Anyone object to commissioner Charles Davis?

 

[VolGee4]

This isn't an actual courts issue. Tennessee politicians are grandstanding, it would be very difficult to get a court of law actually involved here when UT has voluntarily joined a private group and agreed to abide by its rules. A court would say "you're welcome to leave that group if you don't like their rules, it's just an academic country club."

And contracts that say "this is the reason we're doing this" are often disregarded. Do you really think any judge or jury would believe that Spyre would have given Nico 8 mil if he'd gone to Bama? That's the crux of your argument, that Spyre wanted Nico even if he went to Bama.

This isn't grandstanding. They filed to truly protect the rights of student athletes. They absolutely have a cause of action and being a part of the NCAA has no real bearing on it.

 

[Visidog]

I think that is very elegant. Very close to what UT will say in court. And what the court will most likely side with.

I also think it's 90% BS, frankly. Players have the right to pursue interests related to their NIL, and that is obviously not what NIL means to anyone in this space. Outside of maybe Peyton Manning, there has never been a player donning a Tennessee uniform that has had a multimillion dollar evaluation associated with their name, image, and likeness.

We are all friends here. The NCAA isn't going to read this. Everyone here does understand this is all BS, right? Like we do all understand that Nico signing with Spyre and Nico signing with UT weren't actually independent events, right?

Hey, maybe I'm wrong. Maybe all those people posting unpaid advertising in this forum for the Volunteer Club are just super passionate about UT players getting some money. And they have zero expectations that will impact recruiting .

I think we can all be serious here. 10-15% of the money going through Spyre or NIL more generally is because someone wants to put a player on a sign at their car dealership. Or whatever. The rest is for buying players.

I see both sides here. In a social media age, collegiate athletes have brand value. Squirrel White isn’t going to get a Nike shoe deal, but he could drive customer interest for a local business in a real way. Players should be free to promote what they want and get paid for it because freedom. If somebody will pay an irrational amount to an unproven college kid, that’s their right—just like I want somebody to buy my house for an irrational amount.

But it also requires a willing suspension of disbelief for Spyre to insist that its payments to Nico have nothing to do with Nico coming to Knoxville (or all the 5* to Missouri, etc.). We know what the contract says, but I’m less confident about what the emails and text messages are going to say. And the TN/VA lawsuit may let the NCAA subpoena all those records, something it could not do in a mere enforcement action.

 

[Tri-CitiesVol]

Squirrel White having a baby?
Better get some rest bud!...............

I think if my name were Isis I’d just go for the full name change at the courthouse if they get married.

 

[Exiled]

I am still waiting on Sankey and SEC to chime in……

Better have a couple of free refills on that bucket of popcorn.

 

[Ttucke11]

So..............NCAA is disbanded and gone....

Who do you want running the show?
Honest/Serious answers.......

Every conference gets a rep or maybe a distribution of reps based on conference "power". Conferences can figure that part out. The reps form a Board in which they rule on ethics and policies. Every D1 school with a rep gets a compliance officer who is assigned on site at the school. Any questions regarding ethics, policies, NIL, etc can be directed towards officer. If its run through the officer and a later issue pops up, schools are in the clear for acting in good faith.

Actually come up with rules will help. But you nip everything in the bud immediately. Having a 3rd party isn't in anyone interests. Run it like a republic.

 

[DD4ME]

I think that is very elegant. Very close to what UT will say in court. And what the court will most likely side with.

I also think it's 90% BS, frankly. Players have the right to pursue interests related to their NIL, and that is obviously not what NIL means to anyone in this space. Outside of maybe Peyton Manning, there has never been a player donning a Tennessee uniform that has had a multimillion dollar evaluation associated with their name, image, and likeness.

We are all friends here. The NCAA isn't going to read this. Everyone here does understand this is all BS, right? Like we do all understand that Nico signing with Spyre and Nico signing with UT weren't actually independent events, right?

Hey, maybe I'm wrong. Maybe all those people posting unpaid advertising in this forum for the Volunteer Club are just super passionate about UT players getting some money. And they have zero expectations that will impact recruiting .

I think we can all be serious here. 10-15% of the money going through Spyre or NIL more generally is because someone wants to put a player on a sign at their car dealership. Or whatever. The rest is for buying players.

The intent of the other party is irrelevant when it comes to the players rights. The bullseye is on those player rights and them being infringed. When you arbitrarily apply and enforce rules you ultimately impinge on their opportunities. Further, you cannot say UT has lost institutional control over a third party that was never part of their control. We can all roll eyes at intent collusion etc, but the core issues are simple.

 

[SpringBokVol]

The biggest issue to me is that the NCAA is just cherry picking some schools to attack and it's clear that there aren't any uniform violations that would apply to every member school - which is a giant RED flag.

Other schools have done worse or similar but aren't being attacked/investigated - how does the NCAA explain that?

 

[VolGee4]

Will never understand the NFL's obsession with giving failed head coaches multiple chances.

While I do partly agree with your point, Quinn went to a Super Bowl (and should have won)...and with the Falcons. Even good coaches in the NFL only have so many years with one team. He's a heck of a football coach IMO.