Recruiting Football Talk VII

[Ulysees E. McGill]

Anarchy—or the removal of the NCAA oversight functions—favors the richest programs, as most rules aim at competitive balance. Think scholarship limits, oversigning rules, etc.

I don’t know why everyone seems convinced that curtailing the NCAA will help Tennessee more than it will help Texas, Michigan, or [insert rich program here]. Winning the battle over Nico is obviously important, but not if it means that Texas A&M’s oil money can openly buy players without caps on amounts or the number of players.

Literally nothing can be implemented that will stand up in court.

The only way to create rules now that will is for there to be a collective bargaining agreement...the players are going to have to be given a piece and a say...period.

 

[knoxvol52]

Dang

Pete Rose would have took this punishment ,as long as he could've been inducted into HOF.

 

[DD4ME]

I bit the bullet and joined the Volunteer Club. My thought was if not now, when?

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

The NFL/MLB/NBA anti-trust provision is paying unionized players a lot of money via a collective bargaining structure.

Exactly

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

Most people haven’t quite arrived at the reality that there are two ways forward: no limits, or collectively bargained limits.

If there was another way, the big professional leagues would have figured it out by now.

Exactly

 

[Devo182]

There's a documentary?

Yes it was on the entire event. A lot of it is on the media goons using it to advance their social view pursuits, but a good bit was also on Janet and JT.

 

[MarcoVol]

You clearly have not been following this thread the last few days. It is clear that we are a black sheep program, and the higher-ups do not want us to succeed. Just because Sankey is behind us in this fight doesn’t mean he’s always been behind us succeeding in our athletic programs. he knows the writing is on the wall for the NCAA. It gives him the chance to be the most powerful man in college athletics if they go down.

None of that has anything to do with Saturday

 

[Vols4us]

got my new Vol Club package today, highlighter orange just in time to highlight my bracket orange in March

Loved the gray and loved the orange just as much. Wear them proudly.

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

I just listened to Pat Forde and Dan Wetzel talk about Nico........(the name thing going around.)


Those two are idiots...........but racist remarks? Give me a break. That's not racist.

No...but it was classless and stupid.

 

[Weezer]

Here is the issue that no one is talking about or doesn't realize.

I believe the plane used to fly Nico was provided to Spyre by a prominent UT booster. I think they are trying to say that a booster tied to UT can not also fund NIL or provide benefits to a collective. I may be wrong, but I think this is where it began.

Makes zero sense. If that was the problem, why not pursue Miami first? When their NIL deals began, they were almost solely through the one booster. Collectives across the sports are going to be comprised of "boosters". There's no escaping that. That's not only true of Tennessee, but it's also true of every program. So why single Tennessee out?

The NCAA has clearly overstepped, IMO. They probably thought we would roll over again, but that's not going to happen, nor should it happen. Of all the legitimate things deserving of investigation, they targeted Tennessee for some reason.

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

What was this..all I see is a "not found"

 

[UTSuave’]

That's a whole lot of victim blaming on the NCAA's part. They know full well leadership has changed dramatically.

At any rate, even a sophomore in sociology would know you don't push an institution that has hyper competent leadership combined with a rogue's attitude (and I do think we've internalized a rogue/us vs, the world attitude because of the mistreatment but I don't see it as wholly bad as long as we keep it in check - later it can turn on us but that's a worry for another day). That's the exact combination that gets you destroyed in battle. Warriors willing to go berserk with competent leadership pointing them in a direction. Sun Tzu would tell the NCAA they've already lost. You pick your battles, your battle field, and when to strike and they've chosen incredibly poorly on all counts. The only way to win is to withdraw and find a way to redraw the battle.

 

[Enki_Amenra]

Makes zero sense. If that was the problem, why not pursue Miami first? When their NIL deals began, they were almost solely through the one booster. Collectives across the sports are going to be comprised of "boosters". There's no escaping that. That's not only true of Tennessee, but it's also true of every program. So why single Tennessee out?

The NCAA has clearly overstepped, IMO. They probably thought we would roll over again, but that's not going to happen, nor should it happen. Of all the legitimate things deserving of investigation, they targeted Tennessee for some reason.

Repeat offenders plus they have been headhunting us since the last case ended & thought we'd roll over

 

[volsagain]

Collectives can recruit anyone for NIL . Just can't be contingent on a specific school.

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

Had plenty. Mods confiscated them as terms to lift THAT PARTICULAR lifetime ban.

Yeah...but it was epic!

 

[BigSteve09]

Loved the gray and loved the orange just as much. Wear them proudly.

same. the tan, off-white one gets a ton of burn

 

[Buddy’s Bandit]

Bama may end up thanking us….if the NCAA fails to exist, Pruitt is available!!

 

[Orange_Crush]

Collectives can recruit anyone for NIL . Just can't be contingent on a specific school.

To be honest, even that seems like a stretch from the NCAA. Who are they to tell a private corp how they can write up a contract? It'd be interesting to see what would happen if a bunch of collectives wrote school-dependent contracts up and then said to the NCAA. "It's none of your business. Try something and we'll see you in court."

And also, seeing Spyre's lawyer post that about the end of the NCAA, makes me think everyone involved from the Tennessee side of things are here to see a corpse, drag it behind their horses for a while, and then stand it in a wood box at the center of town.

I don't think they're scared. I don't think they're bluffing. And I don't think they're finished.

 

[scienceteaching_vol]

UT is drawing a line in the sand and forcing everyone on one side or the other.

The enemy of our enemy is our friend.

Is this going to come down to the haves and havenots? Those with weak nil wanting to see the big dogs not succeed?

 

[Vols4us]

I bit the bullet and joined the Volunteer Club. My thought was if not now, when?

Good. It is a great value for what you receive as a Vol fan. I have spent about $500 on autographed stuff a grandson wanted of Hendon, Nico and Voltello plus clothing purchases. Proud member.

NIL was our get out of jail free card and the NCAA and their crony corruptocrats knew it. They are trying to put us back into jail using a letter opener when we have a Patriot missile locked on their azzes. You bet I'm going to support NIL.

 

[LA Vol]

Hey @LA Vol, or perhaps anyone with insight, I’m listening to the GoVols247 podcast on all this mess. Wes and the gang seem to think that if the NCAA is going to continue down this path, that means they probably have something on Tennessee that we are unaware of, we being the public. They said if they do, most likely we will see it leaked to the media in the next day or so. With Danny‘s comment today, is something about to be dropped and he’s wanting to steal the narrative? Or was that White just being a bad ass?

UT has not received the official NOA. But if the NCAA is throwing around LOIC, they think they have multiple L1 and L2 violations-- enough to hit UT with LOIC as a repeat violator. UT obviously thinks not.

But... when you're cherry-picking programs to selectively enforce rules that didn't even exist when an SA was recruited-- while redefining entities to be something other than what they were legally established to be-- then you can probably manufacture a laundry list of violations on the fly.

 

[KptVFL]

These guys will have most of you jazzed. They are not typically big UT fans.

Very good video! They are exactly right!

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

I'm talking about all the other lawsuits they are dealing with.

A smart Law firm would be signing every senior HS player in the nation that has CFB aspirations to a class action lawsuit against the NCAA.

 

[smokeyhuntsgators]

Hahahahaha

 

[JCVol00]

UT has not received the official NOA. But if the NCAA is throwing around LOIC, they think they have multiple L1 and L2 violations-- enough to hit UT with LOIC as a repeat violator. UT obviously thinks not.

But... when you're cherry-picking programs to selectively enforce rules that didn't even exist when an SA was recruited-- while redefining entities to be something other than what they were legally established to be-- then you can probably manufacture a laundry list of violations on the fly.

Dumb question, what’s an LOIC