Recruiting Football Talk VIII

#81,928
#81,928
volinexile17 said:
OL is a developmental position.

‘21 - Pruitt class. No real chance to recruit.
‘22 - recruited under threat of NCAA sanctions. Didn’t work out.
‘23 - solid looking class but only sophomores now. Will know next season if any of those guys have developed and will contribute.
‘24 - very good class but only freshmen.
‘25 - 3 really good prospects.

Not sure where you’re expecting these contributors to come from at this point.
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When you don’t have a sophomore better than Dayne Davis and John Campbell, you’ve got either an evaluations / recruiting problem or a development problem. I’ll even throw Karic in there. If we had excellent starters, sure of course there wouldn’t be younger players better than them. The three I just mentioned are merely serviceable at best. If your evals are good and your coaching is good, a sophomore should be capable of at least splitting time.

Yes, OL is a developmental position, but where is the evidence we’re developing anyone? This isn’t the old days where only juniors and seniors are physically developed enough to play on the OL. Plenty of young offensive linemen making contributions out there these days.
 
#81,929
#81,929
November 25, 2000

UT - 28
Vanderbilt - 26

Travis Henry scored two touchdowns and rushed for 184 yards, including 31 on the final drive, as Tennessee held off Vanderbilt 28-26 for the Volunteers' 18th straight victory in the series.

Tennessee led 21-6 when Greg Zolman almost singlehandedly brought Vanderbilt back with 20 fourth-quarter points. He hit M.J. Garrett on TD passes of 11 and 17 yards. Tennessee finally answered when Casey Clausen tossed a 15-yard TD pass to Cedrick Wilson, but Jared McGrath scored on a 1-yard run to pull Vandy to 28-26.

Tennessee turned to Henry, the only back to top 3,000 yards rushing in a career for the Vols and 20th in the SEC. He helped run out the clock with five carries on the final drive, including a 15-yarder on second-and-12. He hurt his ankle while standing in the backfield as Clausen kneeled down with 38 seconds left

Henry finished with 33 carries and TD runs of 3 and 2 yards. He went over the 3,000-yard mark with his third carry of the third quarter, a 60-yarder that was his longest this season.


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#81,932
#81,932
MoCo_Vol said:
Honestly I have a feeling that line judge mixed up WRs, 5 on the same play was covered up by Williams 2. So if we're going with the "incompetent" route instead of the "conspiracy" route I could see that mistake being easy to make.

Waits to throw the flag because it's not a penalty until the ineligible player actually touches it.

Blown call though, just curious if it was a general mix up or legit point shaving/etc. type thing by the official
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It's an immediate flag as soon as the pass is thrown for ineligible downfield if he was covered up. But he waited until it was caught....

Before the snap, you decide if you have a legal formation (max 4 in the back field) and who can go beyond the LOS. You don't care who can catch a pass, all you care about is who can go beyond the LOS on a pass play that goes beyond the LOS.

And I really don't think it's an easy mistake to make. The only way incompetence could be the reason is if he thought 5 was on the LOS (therefore covered up, though he was nowhere close to the LOS), and he went beyond the LOS and is therefore ineligible to go downfield on a pass. But he didn't call ineligible downfield, so even that is unlikely.

He would have had to believe that Williams was covered up. That would be like a NASA engineer forgetting which way to turn a screwdriver to tighten the screw. It's just such a fundamental thing for the alleged top officials in the sport to mess up.
 
#81,935
#81,935
Jackcrevol said:
I absolutely do NOT need weed in my life.

In fact, trying to decrease caffeine intake. Need to cut out beer. Neighbor came over whilst kids played yesterday. He had a Highlands Thunderstruck in hand.

Garage door opened, after that, gracias por los Modelos Especial.

Here's my excuse. There is something encoded in the Dad DNA about having a cold beer in hand.


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#81,936
#81,936
jave36 said:
It's an immediate flag as soon as the pass is thrown for ineligible downfield if he was covered up. But he waited until it was caught....

Before the snap, you decide if you have a legal formation (max 4 in the back field) and who can go beyond the LOS. You don't care who can catch a pass, all you care about is who can go beyond the LOS on a pass play that goes beyond the LOS.

And I really don't think it's an easy mistake to make. The only way incompetence could be the reason is if he thought 5 was on the LOS (therefore covered up, though he was nowhere close to the LOS), and he went beyond the LOS and is therefore ineligible to go downfield on a pass. But he didn't call ineligible downfield, so even that is unlikely.

He would have had to believe that Williams was covered up. That would be like a NASA engineer forgetting which way to turn a screwdriver to tighten the screw. It's just such a fundamental thing for the alleged top officials in the sport to mess up.
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They are part time employees, until the sport starts making them full time this will continue…but they don’t care because the money is flowing
 
#81,938
#81,938
Nash_Vol97 said:
Had a buddy that swore by something similar to this. He’d steep them but with some other loose leaf tea, usually some sort of indigestion or stomach ache relief tea like Ginger, chamomile, etc. He said it helped with the stomach ache that could usually could accompany shrooms.
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The last time I did shrooms, within the last year, I didn't have a stomach ache. But about an hour after the high/trip ended, I absolutely blew up the bathroom, multiple times. Like I said, I'll stick to weed, but I could be talked into doing shrooms, again, if they fell in my lap. I'm not going to go looking for 'em
 
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#81,942
jave36 said:
It's an immediate flag as soon as the pass is thrown for ineligible downfield if he was covered up. But he waited until it was caught....

Before the snap, you decide if you have a legal formation (max 4 in the back field) and who can go beyond the LOS. You don't care who can catch a pass, all you care about is who can go beyond the LOS on a pass play that goes beyond the LOS.

And I really don't think it's an easy mistake to make. The only way incompetence could be the reason is if he thought 5 was on the LOS (therefore covered up, though he was nowhere close to the LOS), and he went beyond the LOS and is therefore ineligible to go downfield on a pass. But he didn't call ineligible downfield, so even that is unlikely.

He would have had to believe that Williams was covered up. That would be like a NASA engineer forgetting which way to turn a screwdriver to tighten the screw. It's just such a fundamental thing for the alleged top officials in the sport to mess up.
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Call was illegal touching, not ineligible downfield though.

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An illegal touching penalty does not stop the play automatically. Instead, the play will conclude all the way to the end, and then the penalty will be called. The reason for this is that the defense could end up forcing a turnover after the penalty is committed, which would then result in them declining the illegal touching penalty.
 
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#81,944
#81,944
JCVol00 said:
Being contempt with keeping Elarbee just because we are winning is honestly a loser mindset. It’s like if you have a leak in the roof of your house, but you don’t fix it because it hasn’t seeped thru the ceiling yet. Eventually though, the lack of fixing the leak ends up damaging the ceiling and getting flood damage and mold in your house.
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Your analogy is beyond dumb. Elarbee is the OL coach that’s been responsible for Heupels offenses to set records here. We had the top offense in the nation in 2022. Guess what? Without great OL play, we don’t get that. Your views are shortsighted and not based in fact.
 
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#81,948
BigOrangeTrain said:
Your analogy is beyond dumb. Elarbee is the OL coach that’s been responsible for Heupels offenses to set records here. We had the top offense in the nation in 2022. Guess what? Without great OL play, we don’t get that. Your views are shortsighted and not based in fact.
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While past success is important, people can lose their touch. Or in Ellarbees case I think he was a bit lucky. 2023 and 2024 OL play has been underwhelming to say the least.
 
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#81,949
#81,949
Dragging USCe into the discussion just brings in more viewership and clicks on tweets. You can ignore them. No way they jump olemiss and bama both teams they lost to. There is still a chance bama gets in as a three loss team depending how the conference championships shake out.
 
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