Recruiting Football Talk VIII

[HighRockvol]

I get serious Steve Spurrier, Lou Holtz vibes here.

Georgia been paying them ever since Kirby got there, can’t win recruiting wars on even footing cry baby..

 

[volinexile17]

No

Of all the things to be concerned about, this is the #1 (and assuming no injuries.. #2 and #3 imo). idk if we did enough- I certainly wish we had more there. Kamari Ramsey was who we really wanted there but he just followed his DB coach from UCLA to USC.

Overall id give the portal an A/A- for how many guys we hit on but I wish we had another guy at S.

Not early on. Maybe later in the year. Harrison has been a really pleasant surprise. Thomas getting hurt just sucks.

I guess that makes sense. Get Boo and Harrison both some run during the first 5 games, see where the secondary is at, and then make a decision during bye week for moving forward.

Got 3 gimmes and two legit road game tests in the first 5. Should have a solid idea who can play by then.

 

[Glitch]

It’s gonna suck losing to Chattanooga.

 

[SSVol]

Never thought I’d see the day we finally get our Trevor Lawerence and people make it a thing with a walk on back up.

I don't think it's unreasonable to point out that in both spring and fall camps, the offense has looked sharp when Gaston Moore was at QB. No rational person would argue Moore is as physically talented as Nico, but there is more to being a successful QB than physical talent, Joe proved that unequivocally.

Maybe rather than making this a controversy, we should emphasize the benefit. Pretty awesome to have a backup who is effective.

 

[VOLLeeann]

I am over the top jealous. Bonefish have incredible speed,strength, and stamina.

My ex used to go to Turks n Caicos to bonefish...the waitresses.

 

[volbeast33]

Yes but coaches are less involved in offseason. Thems the rules

They are allowed 8 hours a week…. coaches are allowed to be there but not allowed to coach… NCAA hasn’t clarified what coaching is so it happens daily…. I’m sure there are some also voluntary workouts( yo azz better be there) with a trainer walking around making sure it is done.

 

[Enki_Amenra]

I’m surprised no one has fallen from the current upper deck

There have been some games at Neyland where I certainly would've considered taking a header off the upper deck. . .

 

[volbeast33]

Coaches can't "coach" in the offseason. That's like saying that a good manager after giving all the needed tools to a lazy employee, shares responsibility for that employee's failures.

These players are people; not avatars.

Coaches are allowed to be there for 8 hours per week… It’s not been clarified on what “coaching” so everyone offers “instruction. I am sure there are voluntary(mandatory) workouts as well.

 

[InVOLuntary]

Lmk if you’re headed to Briland and want recs- also the weather sucks. Haha.

Weather sucks now?

 

[gordonr24]

Further proof that neutral site games have run its course.

 

[screenthis]

Old news I'm sure. But I see we lost out on a five star OL to Georgia Tech. Prospect was a long term Vol fan (as was his dad) but apparently, GT gave him more money? That seems very odd to me that GT won out over us, Ohio State, Florida State, and Georgia. Did we basically take a pass hoping to land David Sanders?

 

[butchna]

Brandon Aiyuk possibly to Steelers. Whose going to throw him the ball?

He can block for Fields.

 

[butchna]

Old news I'm sure. But I see we lost out on a five star OL to Georgia Tech. Prospect was a long term Vol fan (as was his dad) but apparently, GT gave him more money? That seems very odd to me that GT won out over us, Ohio State, Florida State, and Georgia. Did we basically take a pass hoping to land David Sanders?

You could read his thread and solve your mystery.

 

[screenthis]

You could read his thread and solve your mystery.

What, no Cliff Notes?

 

[Enki_Amenra]

So. . . . the only real potential weakness on the defense is at Safety?

We all know that the defensive backfield looks a whole lot better when the guys on the front end are good. The front end of our defense is being hailed as potentially the best in America. I believe our coaches have a perfect opportunity to find the right guys through the 1st few games and have the luxury of the players' mistakes being masked by a dominant front end.

Feathers remain unruffled.

 

[Orange_Crush]

If the manager hired the lazy employee, he does indeed share responsibility. And if he's unable to motivate someone he hired not to be lazy, he also shares responsibility.

What other job does a manager have than to hire well, motivate, and train?

1- They were recruited; not hired.
2- The strength coaches don't recruit.
3- With all due respect, the above reads like someone who's never managed very many people. You can do all the due diligence in the world in the interview process, and bums still get through. When a bum gets through, you can do an amazing job trying to motivate them to no avail. That's why every manager worth their salt knows the phrase, "manage them up or manage them out".

The transfer portal is FULL of kids that have been managed out, and it's ignorant to blindly attribute blame to the coaches without an *ounce* of knowledge as to the backstory.

 

[franklinpence]

Kentucky???

 

[Orange_Crush]

I don't think it's unreasonable to point out that in both spring and fall camps, the offense has looked sharp when Gaston Moore was at QB. No rational person would argue Moore is as physically talented as Nico, but there is more to being a successful QB than physical talent, Joe proved that unequivocally.

Maybe rather than making this a controversy, we should emphasize the benefit. Pretty awesome to have a backup who is effective.

That's a much different argument than to argue that Nico should/will be the backup.

 

[jave36]

1- They were recruited; not hired.
2- The strength coaches don't recruit.
3- With all due respect, the above reads like someone who's never managed very many people. You can do all the due diligence in the world in the interview process, and bums still get through. When a bum gets through, you can do an amazing job trying to motivate them to no avail. That's why every manager worth their salt knows the phrase, "manage them up or manage them out".

The transfer portal is FULL of kids that have been managed out, and it's ignorant to blindly attribute blame to the coaches without an *ounce* of knowledge as to the backstory.

I've managed many people. And I take fault for those who I hired and turned into duds.

You offered up the manager analogy, not me. But I do think it mostly holds in recruits as well. I as a manager take responsibility for my bad hires, I don't put the blame 100% on them. If I couldn't identify a good employee or motivate a fringe employee to perform, then I own it. A "bum getting through" is my fault, at least partially. And I have hired some bums. Some I was able to motivate not to be bums, the others I had to admit were a bad choice on my part.

 

[85SugarVol]

Yes but coaches are less involved in offseason. Thems the rules

The offseason is where the S&C Coach is tasked with running the show.

 

[butchna]

What, no Cliff Notes?

Local kid who wants to play OT and would at best project as a flex tweener at UT…ala Dayne Davis. Don’t know his academic background but something about GT appeals more than UT and Ohio State. Maybe he is a lifelong fan, but that shouldn’t sway you from doing what’s best for yourself.

 

[Enki_Amenra]

So, off-season coaching/player development is going to be the spat of the day, isn't it?

 

[Orange_Crush]

Coaches are allowed to be there for 8 hours per week… It’s not been clarified on what “coaching” so everyone offers “instruction. I am sure there are voluntary(mandatory) workouts as well.

It’s on both the players and the coaches.

As mentioned, unless you're privy to the things none of us know, one can't say that coaches share in the proverbial blame. My point is that the coaches could do everything possible, and the player still fail to comer along. Ther coaches can't care, study, eat, restrain or lift for them. At the end of the day, it's on the player unless and until folks here want to enlighten us as to the coaching staff's specific failures.

 

[LaagerVol]

1- They were recruited; not hired.
2- The strength coaches don't recruit.
3- With all due respect, the above reads like someone who's never managed very many people. You can do all the due diligence in the world in the interview process, and bums still get through. When a bum gets through, you can do an amazing job trying to motivate them to no avail. That's why every manager worth their salt knows the phrase, "manage them up or manage them out".

The transfer portal is FULL of kids that have been managed out, and it's ignorant to blindly attribute blame to the coaches without an *ounce* of knowledge as to the backstory.

All of this can be true, but it still doesn’t absolve managers from doing a good job… managing. That’s why trainers/strength and conditioning staff are so important. Good ones will make a team better (although obviously not all players will take advantage, which is where your scenario comes into play) but bad ones can literally break a team, if the HC doesn’t address it.

It’s both. Players and staff both have to do their parts over the summer. Players have to do the work, but coaches have to provide the plan and accountability.

 

[butchna]

So, off-season coaching/player development is going to be the spat of the day, isn't it?

Those who can’t DO…post!